The point remains that spending stimulates an economy.
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The point remains that spending stimulates an economy.
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I don't quite get the debating point with that statement. Did anyone argue that giving free money does not encourage spending? The post you responded to said:
"Increasing public spending during a recession is a quick way to economic ruin".
The debating point, I thought, was whether spending can destroy or improve an economy in recession. To which the answer is: it can do either, depending on the case.
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Yes, or they'll just extend again, or pull article 50 etc
It's just more of the same, nothing changed since December. May's deal hasn't changed since its record defeat.
This government really is abysmal in so many ways.
That logic doesn't make sense in terms of brexit, people voted to be in a worse situation.
If leavers are happy to go down the route of a pointless brexit with SM access and the custom union then that's what we should do. However that needs another people's vote to establish given the first one was so vague on terms.
Seems weird to me to use the election in 2017 as a barometer of Corbyn's ability to 'keep the party together' in the near two years since.
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We slide into no deal through a deadlock-fuelled inertia.
As an aside, we all knew we'll get worse trade deals post-Brexit, yet in Liam Fox we had a business secretary who now admits this, yet he was still a massive Brexit supporter
Why is it weird, and what else can they use?
Those are still Labour constituencies, and at the next GE he (or whoever the leader is) would want them to remain Labour.
Which is untrue. Spending during a recession can stimulate the economy rather than ruin it, so it isn't automatically a quick way to economic ruin.
Free money? Huh?
Your final sentence sounds like we agree anyway.
Do you mean poisoned chalice? If so, I agree, but when everything is said and done, history will not look back on her kindly.
Yep, it being dated is one thing. But it's Novara Media. Isn't that where Bastani is publishing from isn't the whole group a pro-Corbyn mouthpiece?
My question would be, what exactly has he done? Because he hasn't done anything really, he avoids taking a stance on pretty much anything which seems to be pissing off everyone at the moment.
As for those lists...
On the one side: Rotherham, Blackpool, Stoke, Dudley, West Bromwich, Walsall
On the other side: Brighton, Cambridge, Bristol, Edinburgh, London boroughs.
That's a poor-rich divide if I ever so one. Which is why everyone is saying that this was a protest vote. Turkeys disillusioned with their prospects, voted for Christmas. Failing to communicate the benefits of the EU and the failures of UK governments is what led us here.
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I'm sorry if this seems like a silly question at this stage - but why was the referendum organised for the electorate in the first place? Why wasn't it put to vote in Parliament instead, leaving the responsibility of understanding the nuances involved in such a decision to the elected representatives of the people?
It seems to me that a remain-inclined government is having to negotiate a WA for a leave-inclined electorate, and something like that should never have happened if the principles of democracy were properly followed.
It seems to me that a remain-inclined government is having to negotiate a WA for a leave-inclined electorate, and something like that should never have happened if the principles of democracy were properly followed.
Because the monied interests behind all this knew it wouldn't get through Parliament.
They are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps you still don't get why people voted for Brexit.
Imo, the biggest reason Labour haven't completely disintegrated over brexit is the fact they're not in government.
The monied interests being the financiers of Vote Leave and Leave.EU, I presume?
Yeah, he's kept the party together if you ignore the eight MPs who felt they had to leave the party in part because of his policy on Brexit...
And other newfound allies too, I think...including those who might benefit from signing-off on future trade deals.
Pretty big hypothetical.
MP's who haven't announced any policy of their own either, yet.
Indeed, I agree that there are different voices amongst the European political leaders.
Their still counting the money they are getting from tory donors.
Bit premature to start crediting Corbyn with keeping the Labour party together isn't it? That remains to be seen....
*cough* Rupert Murdoch *cough*
This too, I believe, played no small part in the 'patriotic' drive behind Brexit:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/node/1033_en
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/node/1033_en
But surely that’s beside the point of how Corbyn is keeping the party together and merely a diversion in answering the questions wrt Corbyn’s leadership.
The Tories started with 317 MPs in 2017, lost 3 who quit since and are down to 314. Meanwhile Labour started with 262 and is down to 245. Lost 17 MPs who either joined TIG or went independent. And Labour aren’t even under the pressure of delivering Brexit like the Tories are.
But most damning of all is that at this time he should be gaining on the Tories in popularity and polls yet the opposite is happening. And apparently he deserves praise for the party not falling apart... yet. I mean how low can expectations get?
Thats a real possibility mate, i still suspect that the DUP wouldn't be averse to a Hard border in Ireland despite what they may say in public.
It was this question at the end of my post I was interested in hearing your thought on mate.
There is no actual answer to that question, you will get vague sentences put together.
Ffs, give them time to finish the auction to set their policy.
I haven't said anything about him keeping the party together, that was inferred in the tweet, not in any of my posts.
Apart from the 8 MP's who recently left, the other MP's left because they deem him to be too far left, which is neither here nor there considering he's survived 2 leadership contests - and at the time was popular with the majority of labour voters (if that's still true, remains to be seen)
I was simply asking for thoughts on his actions (or inaction) when it comes to his stance on Brexit. i.e as the opposition party leader, any definitive position he takes on Brexit will likely have an impact in future GE's. No matter what happens with Brexit, there are going to be large factions of Pro-EU or Pro-Brexit in Labour & other marginal constituencies, and as things stand it doesn't look like either faction will be satisfied with the end result.
So with all that in mind, what's the best Brexit strategy for a party leader who aspires to be PM?
I don't know the answer, but I thought it would be interesting to see what others thought.
Yeah I suspect that will be the case mate.
Because it's a classic case of using past performance to indicate future success. All that tells you is that Corbyn pulled it out of the bag in 2017 (well, relatively speaking), it can't tell you that he's currently doing a good job in keeping the party together, or that people who voted Labour (at both ends of the Remain/Leave spectrum) would continue to do so right now. They may do, but it's not a conclusion you can draw from that data.
So let's say we leave without a deal on the 12th April. I'm in Paris and flying to Iceland the next day, then fly to Canada a few days later.
Am I going to have problems travelling with my EU passport?
Am I going to have problems travelling with my EU passport?