From an Irish point of view it highlights something that’s been an issue for years. A lot of our new nurses etc go to Australia, New Zealand or Canada. I don’t think it’s a problem going to other EU countries apart from UK, or would have in the past
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From an Irish point of view it highlights something that’s been an issue for years. A lot of our new nurses etc go to Australia, New Zealand or Canada. I don’t think it’s a problem going to other EU countries apart from UK, or would have in the past
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Off topic, but it's only an issue because we have too many nursing degrees per capita here. The HSE actually employs a higher percentage of nurses than most OECD countries. Too many nurses qualifying every year for too few jobs = problem.
It took me a minute because that's the sort of desperate thing I'd expect her to do.you don't say
it definitely took me up until the script part to fully cop, yeah.
Money and conditions are better in thise places.
From a Guardian article about the DUP..
Twats like this determine the future of the country. Brilliant.
Twats like this determine the future of the country. Brilliant.
Need to update the poll options with these: https://old.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/b7yiw8/indicative_votes_round_2_the_motions/
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Stupidity is endemic.
Anyone still under the illusion that a GE would solve Brexit?
Anyone still under the illusion that Corbyn has ever been a Remainer?
Anyone still under the illusion that Brexit was about anything other than immigration?
Any young voters still under the illusion that Uncle Jeremy was looking out for them?
Vote Tories - hard brexit who now realise unicorns are dead.
Vote Labour - hard Brexit with unicorns.
Anyone still under the illusion that Corbyn has ever been a Remainer?
Anyone still under the illusion that Brexit was about anything other than immigration?
Any young voters still under the illusion that Uncle Jeremy was looking out for them?
Vote Tories - hard brexit who now realise unicorns are dead.
Vote Labour - hard Brexit with unicorns.
I've always voted Labour but I cancelled my membership a few months back because of Labour's Brexit approach and their handling of antisemitism.
Honestly don't know who I'd vote for in an election. Probably the Lib Dems.
Labour aren't a remain party full stop. Their manifesto clearly said they'd support the result so i don't think anyone is under that illusion.
It's also really unhelpful for any party backing a second ref to be labelled a remain party. That just feeds the narrative that a people's vote is to stop brexit rather than confirm the public's will.
It's also really unhelpful for any party backing a second ref to be labelled a remain party. That just feeds the narrative that a people's vote is to stop brexit rather than confirm the public's will.
You are definitely not spoilt for choice. The Tories need a real opposition party, could be the death of Labour.
So you're going along with Brexiters rhetoric that if you voted for Tories or Labour you were in favour of Brexit therefore not 52% Brexiteers but 80%?
Honestly, I've really started to doubt if democracy works. It would if everyone had at least a minimum level of understanding with different points of view - but to be held hostage to this sort of idiocy is so depressing.
There's no 'going along' with anything. If you voted Labour or Conservative at the last election you voted for Brexit. It may be true that lots of voters were too dumb to know what they voted for, or that lots more thought Brexit of too low importance to influence their vote, but the manifestos were clear and people voted on them.
An example of why referendums should never be held.
At least if the politicians make errors or decisions you don't like you can vote them out - you can't vote out Patricia Aston.
That may be true but how many Labour supporters just on this forum who voted Labour in the last election and support Remain?
I know, and some of them don't half get angry when you tell them they voted for Brexit, but it's true nonetheless. Most of them are so confused they still support their Brexiter leaders as well. I blame Labour just as much as the Conservatives for Brexit.
Great point in second paragraph thats not being made enough.
Exactly, another point is why they want to return to late 60s early 70s socialism which I thought had died a death which was a real low point for the UK.
People get annoyed because it's a silly point which deliberately ignores how FPTP and our electoral system works.
That said, I have no sympathy for the 78% of Remainers in Vauxhall who somehow managed to allow an arch-brexiteer like Hoey to get elected.
It's irrelevant really. We effectively only have two parties so if both supported the ref result then people obviously voted on the other policies. Which is exactly what happened.
I also find the leaders previous views irrelevant, the idea that May is a remainer now is ridiculous and the idea Corbyn is the only thing stopping the Labour party leading the charge to revoke is as absurd.
I never thought Labour under its current guise was ever a Remain party. Corbyn has obviously been a Brexiter throughout, strange that he voted Remain.
I am under the impression that you were in favour of Remain , I'm also under the impression that you vote Labour. Am I correct?
I'm not disagreeing with you on this other than I don't think May or Corbyn were ever Remainers despite both voting for Remain, that is a sorry statement in itself to summarise the state of politics in the UK.
No-ones going to revoke on either side.
Uk needs help.
Careering fast towards no deal.
Given the distinct lack of scruples in the both of them, what makes you so sure either of them voted to remain despite campaigning for it?
After all, Corbyn's campaign for remain was akin to his current performance with regards to opposing the government; weak at best.
Corbyn has been a euro-skeptic for decades, why would he change now?
Mays record on immigration in the HO speaks to where her real beliefs lie and it’s not to remain
Mays record on immigration in the HO speaks to where her real beliefs lie and it’s not to remain
Complete guesswork but i reckon there's a lot of liberals who were principally against some elements of the EU that are now remain supporters and march for it. I'd say they're opposed to being out as much as in because principles and pragmatism often conflict. Corbyn falls into that category i think.
Mays always had issues with immigration and EU law superseding our own but i don't think she was a leaver.
It's on Public record that they declared they were voting Remain.
It was a secret ballot, what they say on public record is irrelevant once they are in the booth. Am I being ignorant or cynical here?
Democracy works, but in an educated society.
All people probably have some misgivings one way or another but usually vote on balance what would be in their interests and in the case of politicians what should be the best for their country.
My very low opinion of both May and Corbyn is that they are both basically liars and have no integrity.
I don't know. I certainly wouldn't trust either.
In the UK don't we vote for a representative for the constituency whose own politics may differ from the parties? So if you voted for a remain candidate in a leave party then you still voted remain.
For example people who voted Ken Clarke voted for a remain candidate in a leave party.
For example people who voted Ken Clarke voted for a remain candidate in a leave party.
But what if you voted for a remain candidate in a leave party, in a leave constituency?
Sums up one of the many problems with the UK system.
Except that MPs don’t run on a single issue. The election wasn’t a choice or remain vs leave and I wish people would stop suggesting it was whichever way people voted.
It's a consideration but largely party politics is based on party mandates. They didn't have a choice to vote for another Tory candidate even if they disagreed with Ken.
Even deselection which is demonstrating choice has become a dirty word. There's just no mechanism to vote against your candidate views but for your party.
A lot of different ways of claiming Labour voters aren't responsible for Brexit here, or their leaders, I suspect. In denial is the phrase that comes to mind.