Abortion

unchanged_lineup said:
Ok. So, in Ireland, we actually voted for more marriage and a more inclusive definition of what a family is then. Isn't that the opposite of declining?
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I think it's great that gay couples can now now get married. What I'm referring to however is the Irish divorce rate, which hovers around the 12-13% mark currently; in contrast to the EU average of 45% and over 50% in America.
 
I've come to regard the liberalisation of newbie promotions as thee most significant act in rubber stamping the decline of a forum as we know it, or knew it. It's my strong contention that when a society deviates from the established view regarding the sanctity of the general forum, or, in more secular terms, a simple objective definition to bottling, then society will also deviate from other established values as a logical consequence. The implication is not only glaringly obvious but is borne out by social demographic statistics.
 
Silva said:
when you build a time machine to get back to the proper strong nation times be sure to pack some antibiotics
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I wouldn't be taking my De Lorean to slavery era America Silva. We had problems with hillbillies over here too, we gave them the name in fact.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Funny isn't it that people who are in unhappy marriages decide to not be in that unhappy marriage when they're no longer afraid of burning in hell or being shunned and shamed.
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This.

It's like saying strict sharia law is great, because it correlates with less women cheating on their husband.
 
Eboue said:
I've come to regard the liberalisation of newbie promotions as thee most significant act in rubber stamping the decline of a forum as we know it, or knew it. It's my strong contention that when a society deviates from the established view regarding the sanctity of the general forum, or, in more secular terms, a simple objective definition to bottling, then society will also deviate from other established values as a logical consequence. The implication is not only glaringly obvious but is borne out by social demographic statistics.
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:lol:

I wondered when the one from Leitrim would show up.
 
Kinsella said:
I think it's great that gay couples can now now get married. What I'm referring to however is the Irish divorce rate, which hovers around the 12-13% mark currently; in contrast to the EU average of 45% and over 50% in America.
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Ok. I don't get why that's such a bad thing though, as opposed to forcing unhappy people to stay together using fear and social stigma.
 
Eboue said:
I've come to regard the liberalisation of newbie promotions as thee most significant act in rubber stamping the decline of a forum as we know it, or knew it. It's my strong contention that when a society deviates from the established view regarding the sanctity of the general forum, or, in more secular terms, a simple objective definition to bottling, then society will also deviate from other established values as a logical consequence. The implication is not only glaringly obvious but is borne out by social demographic statistics.
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Oh I hope this becomes a thing.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Ok. I don't get why that's such a bad thing though, as opposed to forcing unhappy people to stay together using fear and social stigma.
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If there are no children involved then divorce doesn't matter at all. When there are, it does.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Ok. I don't get why that's such a bad thing though, as opposed to forcing unhappy people to stay together using fear and social stigma.
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Yeah, the idea that people who hate each other should stay together because that will somehow strengthen social cohesion is a very strange one.
 
Kinsella said:
I think it's great that gay couples can now now get married. What I'm referring to however is the Irish divorce rate, which hovers around the 12-13% mark currently; in contrast to the EU average of 45% and over 50% in America.
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I agree with this and think we could do well to imitate the morals and values of Syria. They have a divorce rate of only 12% which can be attributed to family values, equality and true love.

Truly the garden of eden.
 
Kinsella said:
If there are no children involved then it doesn't matter at all. When there are, it does.
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Yes. If there are children, it's even better if people who can't stand each other get divorced instead of teaching their kids that relationships are supposed to be dysfunctional.
 
Big-Red said:
I would argue that any men who are pro-choice are not telling any woman what she should do but agreeing that she should in fact have control of her own body.
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Yep, that's why the word "choice" is in it.
 
the best thing about staying together for the children is that they'll see mummy and daddy having an unhappy, unloving relationship and and they'll know from the offset that life is miserable and shit and that they should settle for the first person pulling out didn't work with
 
KirkDuyt said:
I agree with this and think we could do well to imitate the morals and values of Syria. They have a divorce rate of only 12% which can be attributed to family values, equality and true love.

Truly the garden eden.
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I'm going to need a field for all these straw men.
 
Kinsella said:
I'm going to need a field for all these straw men.
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It wasn't an argument, there's nothing to argue about, it's just a blank statement about the very low divorce rate in Syria.

You know, like your bland statement about the sanctity of life. Which you stole of some forum.
 
Kinsella said:
I didn't claim that people get divorced because of abortion. :lol:
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Oh, well you sure have a strange way of saying things, then...

Kinsella said:
I've come to regard the liberalisation of abortion laws as thee most significant act in rubber stamping the decline of a nation as we know it, or knew it. It's my strong contention that when a society deviates from the established view regarding the sanctity of life, or, in more secular terms, a simple objective definition to life, then society will also deviate from other established values as a logical consequence. The implication is not only glaringly obvious but is borne out by social demographic statistics.
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Maagge said:
What are these other established values we'll deviate from and what are the obvious implications?
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Kinsella said:
The obvious ones are marriage, family etc, and they already have been deviated from. The statistics bear it out.
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LungiDevil said:
The alternative to divorce is not a happy / perfect family. You know that right?
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What constitutes a 'perfect' family though? I'm sure every one goes through difficult periods for various different reasons.
 
Kinsella said:
It is indeed, but it's a poor one though.
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The guy you are plagiarizing does think the emancipation of gay people is part of the problem.

So you do also have a standpoint of your own? Good on you I guess!
 
KirkDuyt said:
The guy you are plagiarizing does think the emancipation of gay people is part of the problem.

So you do also have a standpoint of your own? Good on you I guess!
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"It has helped to bring many undoubted advancements, the emancipation of gay people being the most obvious one."

Where's the problem?
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Wow, he stole the "The decline of the family heralds the growth of the state." stuff too :D

https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057822815&page=85
https://foot.ie/threads/228303-Referendum-on-the-8th-amendment/page5

#slipperyslope
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That line has been repeated by every right-wing evangelical preacher on the radio for the last 30 years. Its one of those cliche buzz phrases from the right wing in the US. I've heard basically that exact phrase many times over the last 30 years
 
Silva said:
imagine copy and pasting an online debate and telling people they're not putting enough effort in their replies
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Imagine suggesting that people might want to return to the times of slavery, or...to Syria perhaps.
 
Kinsella said:
Great. Perhaps you can now stick to the substance.
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You did seem more eloquent last year. Your replies there are long and well thought out. Stark contrast with the lololo strawman stuff you say here.

Weird.
 
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