I see, let's completely ignore the fact that Corbyn has been twisting and turning to avoid anything that might stop Brexit because he's a Brexiter, and concentrate instead on Watson speaking when parliament is in recess, which he's not allowed to for some reason.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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Corbyn's last comments, that I can find:What you mean like voting for a people's vote? Twice? Okay....
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ugs-off-referendum-calls-after-byelection-win
"I have said all along that we would put to parliament our proposals on a customs union on a trade relationship and the dynamic protection of consumer and workers’ rights.
As our conference resolution agreed last September, we would then be prepared to put that to a public vote. We are not at the stage yet where parliament has actually voted on that.
We could of course have a people's vote on the alternatives actually before us, Hard Brexit, Remain or the negotiated transition deal, but Corbyn explicitly rules that out, he is merely prepared 'not to rule out' a referendum on a non-existent alternative.
Corbyn is a Brexiter and always has been. You're in denial.
Hasn't Corbyn already put his proposals to parliament which have already been rejected three times by them (and of course are not possible anyway) - or am I missing something.
It's never been in any doubt, but the Labour supporters in this thread are indeed in denial about it. I don't understand why they keep banging on as if the Labour Party were a remain party, it isn't. Corbyn is only pandering to the membership with is soft Brexit stance, in the same way the Tories are pandering to theirs in their hard Brexit stance.
Are you actually throwing quotes at me and claiming they supersede two actual votes in parliament? And then claim I'm the one with a distorted view!
That and listening to him speak for the last three years, not least at the last Labour party conference. The whole world knows he's a Brexiter, and his supposed 'sitting on the fence' is simply dishonest. You talk of votes in parliament, how did he vote when it came to article 50? Where was he when Labour drew up it's promise to Leave in their last manifesto? You picked the wrong man mate, simple as that.
I wouldn't bother with these people. It doesn't matter Corbyn actually does he will always be secretly trying to do the BREXIT! Oh and something something Seumas Milne.What you mean like voting for a people's vote? Twice? Okay....
Some secret
Corbyn was not for Brexit.
He like everyone else had issues with the EU.
He could not say 'we need to be in the EU without any conditions.'
The political stunt the Tories pulled backfired so bad with the Vote.
Many of use including myself felt at the time we should vote Leave as a protest vote, never realizing that leave would win.
Here we are.
He like everyone else had issues with the EU.
He could not say 'we need to be in the EU without any conditions.'
The political stunt the Tories pulled backfired so bad with the Vote.
Many of use including myself felt at the time we should vote Leave as a protest vote, never realizing that leave would win.
Here we are.
I think he was, and it's not really ambiguous either. Corbyn's Euroscepticism is well documented. He's from the socialist Bennite school of thought which sees the EU as anti-democratic and he has mostly been hostile to it throughout his political career. From a socialist viewpoint it's easy to see why someone would hardly be enamoured with the EU as an institution. However, whether that necessarily means it's better for you to be out than in is a different question.
Seems the story of your life
A protest vote in a binary win-lose referendum?!
Yep. Genie out of the bottle and it's never going to be put back in now. Farage will spit his last breath making sure that it doesn't.
We have to leave and the softer the better.
If Corbyn didn't want Brexit to happen, and doesn't support it now why doesn't he state that outright? Some may argue that it's a political ploy so as to not to isolate the leavers within the party, but a) since when has Corbyn been afraid of having unpopular opinions? (is remain that unpopular of an opinion??) and b) by not coming down on either side he has isolated the remainers within the party, as demonstrated by polls and the recent EU election (and this thread). So why the equivocation regarding such a divisive and binary issue such as Brexit?
You've answered your own question, I'd suggest.
Brexit is actually flushing ourselves down the toilet.
Its just a matter of how fast.
Think things are bad now for the average person?
Because saying it out right whilst there aren't enough Tories to actually stop it is futile is it not?
Does that mean he's going to keep quiet about every single subject until there is a majority who favour his view, no wonder he's so crap at PMQ. As someone said, you're backing the wrong horse.
Mr Corbyn, my views are that you personally should say what you think, not what the referendum said, not what your conference decided, but show some leadership and say what you actually want now.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48700965
Can't see the escalating U.S.-Iran tensions playing well for Corbyn, giving his previous work for Press TV and apologies for the Tehran regime.
Can't see the escalating U.S.-Iran tensions playing well for Corbyn, giving his previous work for Press TV and apologies for the Tehran regime.
I know I probably live in a bit of an echo chamber... but are most people not a lot more sceptical of Government war mongering after the whole Iraq shambles and the imaginary WMD's? I really haven't seen any appetite for supporting USA on this... but like I say, maybe just me being in a like-minded bubble.
He want's out of Europe, that is quite clear.
There's a graphic going round twitter which i can't find currently but he's actually in 2nd place in sitting MPs who have raised the most motions criticising Iran's human rights.
Not that i disagree with you, any MP who doesn't foam at the mouth for war is pathetic according to our glorious country.
Edit: feck sake see above
Fair point, but that's not the public's perception is it? On Iran, all that people know him for is what the right-wingers bring up time and again - that he appeared on Press TV and has defended the regime on certain occasions.
No doubt this line of attack will be brought up time and again over the next few weeks, particularly as we're in the middle of a Tory leadership contest.
How many of those instances were between 2009 and 2012 when he was paid £20,000 by iranian state TV for appearances
And actually is there a comparable graph to show how much money MP's have received from Iranain state TV... bet hes ahead of about 649 there as well
The truth is nothing is as important as perception and he is seen as pro iranian, anti american and walking a very narrow line bewteen anti israel and anti semitic
Hes toxic to the labour party and this ooooh jeremy corbyn bollocks is going to lead to farrage in government
There's definitely a lot more scepticism now. If the U.S. does go to war with Iran it won't be like the first Gulf War, which was roundly supported in the UK as far as I can recall. There'll be a lot more criticism of the U.S. and anyone who allies with them.
Still, I don't see people rallying to the Iranian side either, given all the controversy surrounding Zaghari-Ratcliffe and the nuclear deal.
this many
This. Perception is everything and he's made it too easy for people to label him a batty extremist.
Supporting a dodgy war to own the left
Indeed, he just won't come out honestly and say it, that's what I'm asking. Or convincingly deny it, but that would involve explaining, again honestly, why he changed his mind. So no chance then.
so who are the bad guys in this?
not Iran. They were in compliance with the Treaty.
Its the Trump administration.
This guy is trying to save his rotting presidency and wants to feel a big man...except when he is getting bummed by Putin.
not Iran. They were in compliance with the Treaty.
Its the Trump administration.
This guy is trying to save his rotting presidency and wants to feel a big man...except when he is getting bummed by Putin.
Yeah, I am with you on this. I would want to see a lot more evidence than blurry pictures of supposed mines before I believed the US. This whole thing reeks very much like the WMD dossier.
Not sure why or how this should implicate Corbyn.
Even if Iran were actively responsible for something on this level all-out war seems wholly irresponsible - we turn a blind eye to the atrocities of the Saudis and other nations in the region when it suits our interests so arguing it'd be an even remotely noble or justifiable war for a decent cause would be ridiculous. If Iran need to be targeted or reigned in then sanctions are clearly a better initial approach.
War is profitable though.
Corbyn condemns Iran more than the vast majority of other MPS.
Makes statement that suggests US should get more credible evidence before accusing Iran of committing crimes.
Political opponents and press line up to declare Corbyn an apologist for the Iranian regime.
Conclusion = Corbyn has 'made it too easy for people to label him a batty extremist'.