The parrot is dead. It is not resting.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The parrot is dead. It is not resting.
So much for the kinder, gentler politics.
Even The JC can’t actually provide any evidence of anti-semitism
Pretty specious argument, countless polls show that Corbyn is less popular than the party in general. People were voting Labour despite Corbyn not because of him.
Yes.
And I second that.
No. He is not a leader or anything even remotely close to one.
He reminds me so much of poor old Michael Foot.
Another spectacular failure of the left.
Whatever some people say about Tony Blair, he was a leader. The rebranding to New Labour resulted in three election victories and that in politics is the name of the game.
Another leader albeit far less successful was Neil Kinnock.
He stood up for true Labour values and had the guts to stand up to Militant Tendency who, much like Momentum had taken over the party.
And before anyone ridicules Kinnock please take a look at what is now called That Speech on youtube.
He exposed Derek Hatton who had bankrupted Liverpool Council. The speech was at the Blackpool Conference.
Very much worth a quick look if you like a powerful speech.
Aye that's why his policies polled so well too.
Yes he does remind me a bit of Michael Foot, one of the Tories great assets at the time. Difference is although Foot's policies were alien to me , at least he came across as having some intelligence, although a terrible leader.
So they liked the party and liked his policies and still don’t like him? That’s even worse.
Right on target to win the next general election.
When did Labour last poll below LibDems?
Outside of a few others since the EU elections, back in 2010 during Cleggmania. It's only really YouGov showing it at the moment, though.
When you've got two pro-Brexit parties in the Tories and the Brexit Party you don't really need a third one.
Didn't Corbyn want the use of nda's banned
Also
Well that would be aqward / interesting
I think I might put a bet on Corbyn out in 2019?
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If your response to allegations like this is to crack down on whistleblowers, then you really are fecked as a party.
St Jeremy showing us how his new honest politics works.
And now got people on the left actually fecking defending this.
I think this might be the start of the end ... Only thing that might save Corbyn (well delay his departure)is a snap general election.
The antisemitism investigation is only going to gather momentum (pardon the pun)... Corbyn either jumps on the grenade or gets thrown on it
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Pass The popcorn
Party is a mess and although I care little for those at the top of Labour, the same scrutiny should ve placed on the Tories. Can't wait till Corbyn is no longer a topic of discussion.
Corbyn-mania peaked in 2017.
He’s in Cornwall today. I was sat down having a pint then realised he was on the table next to me.
I don't think this is going away soon and the ehrc hasn't even really started yet
Corbyn either fumbles or fudges major decisions to the point of undermining his brand. Surely, despite that he is a God to them, even the Corbynistas can see he wouldn't make a very good prime minister because he is not very good (shite, even) at decision making?
nah - its clearly blairs fault that the fake news controlled by the Illuminati cant understand the genius of corbyns 4d unicorn brexit chess
Strangely I think he will end up resigning as I'm not sure there is enough non momentum types left in the labour party to defeat him - but the broader electorate have clearly seen through him and hes going to kill the party electorally so he will either jump on (or be thrown on) the anti semitism bonfire that's about to ignite with the ehrc and panorama plus the whole NDA stuff
I have no real knowledge of this, but would it be likely that momentum swing their support behind a similar candidate to Corbyn? Do they now have the ability to control Labour leaders for the future?
They will but it's taking an awful long time to sink in that that's what they need to do, in their own interest. The sooner they do so the sooner they can take advantage of how shit the other parties are. If they don't leave it too late of course.
They don’t, the unions remain as important as they are, and anyway there is no similar candidate around
potentially - but a bit like the conservative election any MP will need a certain number of other MP's to back them - and although i think they could well find a candidate similar in out look and broad economic policies they would surely find somebody with less baggage and a more coherent brexit position and almost certainly somebody who is a bit better communicator with non corbynistas.
Where’s our resident Corbyn fans btw? Cmon lads, we are waiting to hear this month’s excuses.
Excuses for what specifically? The NDA thing?
You know in the letter Sam Matthews was sent there is a whole paragraph which specifically states his rights to let the relevant authorities know about any issues or concerns he has... those are his rights as a whistleblower which are entirely protected.
Fortunately most organisations have a confidentially clause which prevents disclosure of confidential information to irrelevant bodies or individuals e.g. a Sunday Times Journalist. This is clearly a data protection issue. This all obviously stems from earlier this year when a junior Labour member of staff was plastered all over the papers because some emails were selectively leaked by this individual... I'd say it's completely right that they try and protect their staff. Imagine going to work and having to worry that any email you send could be taken out of context and printed in a newspaper?
Sorry, what? You shouldn't be using your employer's email system to be sending inappropriate messages, regardless of the context. I work in the Civil Service, where most things I do are subject to audit and Freedom of Information requests and I would not dream of sending any form of correspondence that is unprofessional in nature and this is how everyone should be. You should treat everything you do as though it is going to be audited, so "living in fear" really shouldn't be an issue; I have absolutely nothing to worry about if anyone ever went through all of my work emails and I don't feel a sense of infringement or invasion of privacy for it.
is evidence of anti-semitism not in the public interest given that corbyn / labour are you know trying to run the whole country?...
We are absolutely not talking about anything inappropriate. Where on earth do you get that from? We're talking about ordinary work emails... for instance, someone could be asked for work related advice about a situation. The person could reply with said advice... if someone were to then take a spliced up piece of what has been suggested without the wider context, a situation could be made to look bad or like an individual has made a bad decision or given inappropriate advice. That is entirely wrong and employees should be protected from that.
Anti-semitism is illegal. I am sure like me, you would have absolutely no issue with the individual reporting their concerns to the police/relevant authorities... just like Labour wouldn't.
thats why the ehrc are undertaking a formal investigation... equally as there may be a general election before that happens some public whistleblowing would seem in the public interest
It's not whistleblowing if it is to a journalist. If you're bored, a nice list of prescribed bodies covered for whistleblowing purposes.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...istle-list-of-prescribed-people-and-bodies--2