Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Perception is everything and there is nothing as important sounds all very Goebbels.

Sure if you're Trump, or if you're running a public relations campaign for a toy that has maimed children, or you are cynical enough to primarily focus on minimising the damage of a pedo-priest scandal on your church, or your oil slick has destroyed a whole ecosystem.

But otherwise it seems a rather horrible outlook. You must be able to think of at least one thing that is more important.
 
dumbo said:
Perception is everything and there is nothing as important sounds all very Goebbels.

Sure if you're Trump, or if you're running a public relations campaign for a toy that has maimed children, or you are cynical enough to primarily focus on minimising the damage of a pedo-priest scandal on your church, or your oil slick has destroyed a whole ecosystem.

But otherwise it seems a rather horrible outlook. You must be able to think of at least one thing that is more important.
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Are you honestly accusing the people who've said this of being Nazis?
 
RedChip said:
Yeah, I am with you on this. I would want to see a lot more evidence than blurry pictures of supposed mines before I believed the US. This whole thing reeks very much like the WMD dossier.

Not sure why or how this should implicate Corbyn.
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It doesn't implicate him.

But the right-wing press will use it as a stick to beat him with and there's a good chance it will land.
 
BobbyManc said:
Corbyn condemns Iran more than the vast majority of other MPS.
Makes statement that suggests US should get more credible evidence before accusing Iran of committing crimes.
Political opponents and press line up to declare Corbyn an apologist for the Iranian regime.

Conclusion = Corbyn has 'made it too easy for people to label him a batty extremist'.
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On the other side of the ledger:
1. Corbyn's regular appearances on press TV.
2. His attempts to downplay Iran's comments about Israel.
3. The now-infamous 'friends' comment about Hamas and Hezbollah.

You're right, Corbyn's comments on the US-Iran spat have been completely sensible. He's right, we shouldn't fall into the trap of a US regime which is desperate for war.

But you and I both know that isn't the way the right-wing press will play this.
 
JohnnyKills said:
On the other side of the ledger:
1. Corbyn's regular appearances on press TV.
2. His attempts to downplay Iran's comments about Israel.
3. The now-infamous 'friends' comment about Hamas and Hezbollah.

You're right, Corbyn's comments on the US-Iran spat have been completely sensible. He's right, we shouldn't fall into the trap of a US regime which is desperate for war.

But you and I both know that isn't the way the right-wing press will play this.
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On points 2 and 3 you're certainly correct. Corbyn's language can be a bit careless. The unfortunate reality is that he is not especially savvy, but I suppose conversely that could be what adds to his appeal to those who support him. My point remains that facts become immaterial to considering Corbyn's perception because the press will depict him whichever whey they seem fit and will use whatever they can to try and substantiate it. As is clear, out of all the MPs in the HoC, to label him an Iran apologist is nonsense. Corbyn can't control how the right-wing press will twist his statements, I don't think he can be criticised for presenting them with an open goal so to speak for his recent comments on the US-Iran dispute.
 
ok, i might get laughed at for this, but.....

I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
ok, i might get laughed at for this, but.....

I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
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Not sure why anyone would laugh, so far she has been impressive. If Corbyn doesn't win the next election I can see the next labour leader being Rebecca Long-Bailey or Clive Lewis.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
ok, i might get laughed at for this, but.....

I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
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She's come across well whenever I've seen her speak but i simply refuse that there should be a labour leader slightly younger than me already.
 
BobbyManc said:
On points 2 and 3 you're certainly correct. Corbyn's language can be a bit careless. The unfortunate reality is that he is not especially savvy, but I suppose conversely that could be what adds to his appeal to those who support him. My point remains that facts become immaterial to considering Corbyn's perception because the press will depict him whichever whey they seem fit and will use whatever they can to try and substantiate it. As is clear, out of all the MPs in the HoC, to label him an Iran apologist is nonsense. Corbyn can't control how the right-wing press will twist his statements, I don't think he can be criticised for presenting them with an open goal so to speak for his recent comments on the US-Iran dispute.
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We're both arguing the same point here. The right-wing press are desperate to get stuck into Corbyn and this issue gives them the perfect opportunity (even though, as you say, his record on Iran is far more nuanced than people think).

The problem he's got is that, unlike a lot of politicians, he probably never thought he was going to be party leader, so he was free to appear on Press TV, attend funerals for the PLO etc. Now he's suddenly leader and he's got loads of baggage which can be used against him.
 
Sweet Square said:
Not sure why anyone would laugh, so far she has been impressive. If Corbyn doesn't win the next election I can see the next labour leader being Rebecca Long-Bailey or Clive Lewis.
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I like Thornberry but she appears to have pissed on her chips over Brexit.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I like Thornberry but she appears to have pissed on her chips over Brexit.
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i think it most likley nobody ousts corbyn till he looses another general election - and at that point i suspect being seen as against his wishy washy brexit guff will probably be an asset - suspect thornberry calculated exactly how much piss and on which chips to aim
Kier Starmer will also be in with a shout I think - again very vocal on brexit
 
ZupZup said:
I know I probably live in a bit of an echo chamber... but are most people not a lot more sceptical of Government war mongering after the whole Iraq shambles and the imaginary WMD's? I really haven't seen any appetite for supporting USA on this... but like I say, maybe just me being in a like-minded bubble.
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I think people are skeptical of the current incidents leading us down the war path whilst also realising Iran are far from an innocent party in the Middle East.
 
JohnnyKills said:
OK, a word of advice: be very, very careful about suggesting anyone who disagrees you is a Nazi.
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If that is what you perceive my comments to mean then my perception is that you are not very good at this understanding lark. But perhaps you are incapable of any more given you believe that:
JohnnyKills said:
Perception is everything
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but I also mentioned paedophiles. And if your perception is that my perception is that you are a nazi paedophile then what recourse do you have when:
JohnnyKills said:
Perception is everything
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Ah the problems of living on those metaphysically obtuse islands - or simply trying to explain to obtuse people.
 
dumbo said:
If that is what you perceive my comments to mean then my perception is that you are not very good at this understanding lark. But perhaps you are incapable of any more given you believe that:

but I also mentioned paedophiles. And if your perception is that my perception is that you are a nazi paedophile then what recourse do you have when:


Ah the problems of living on those metaphysically obtuse islands - or simply trying to explain to obtuse people.
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What is wrong with you?
 
sun_tzu said:
i think it most likley nobody ousts corbyn till he looses another general election - and at that point i suspect being seen as against his wishy washy brexit guff will probably be an asset - suspect thornberry calculated exactly how much piss and on which chips to aim
Kier Starmer will also be in with a shout I think - again very vocal on brexit
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I doubt the Labour members would vote Starmer tbh, which is a shame because he'd be good.

Rayner, Abbott, Burgon and Butler are (or should be) non-starters, and you don't have too many candidates left after that, unless you want to move away from Corbyn's inner circle.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
ok, i might get laughed at for this, but.....

I am starting to think that Laura Pidock would make a really good Labour leader.
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She's great, she's in politics for the right reasons and she's a fantastic constituency MP (which I think should be a minimum character requirement for people aspiring to high office). Would love to think she could become a contender by the time Corbyn leaves but as a recently elected, young, female left-wing MP with a regional accent she'd face a lot of opposition from both within the party and without.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
She's great, she's in politics for the right reasons and she's a fantastic constituency MP (which I think should be a minimum character requirement for people aspiring to high office). Would love to think she could become a contender by the time Corbyn leaves but as a recently elected, young, female left-wing MP with a regional accent she'd face a lot of opposition from both within the party and without.
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Given the rise of Angela Rayner, Pidock (who comes across as far smarter and more accomplished) should have no problems within the party. Outside the party, on the other hand, it could be a different story.
 
Not a huge fan of Williamson but wasn't too much wrong with what he said. Worded it a little clumsily, but the point he was making was reasonable enough. Noteworthy as well how quickly Kuenssberg retweeted this story, when she has miraculously managed to avoid all news about the recent polls demonstrating the horrific levels of Islamophobia within the Conservative party.
 
What a spectacularly braindead decision.
 
Keith soddin' Vaz does it again.

BobbyManc said:
Noteworthy as well how quickly Kuenssberg retweeted this story, when she has miraculously managed to avoid all news about the recent polls demonstrating the horrific levels of Islamophobia within the Conservative party.
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Wouldn't want to make that No. 10 Director of Communications job interview awkward.
 
Ubik said:
What a spectacularly braindead decision.
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Why? What he said was clearly ridiculous and foolish but it wasn't antisemitic.

On the other hand Mr Publicity Tom Watson at it again jumping on the bandwagon to call for independence in the decision making process but also at the same time asking for Corbyn to chuck Williamson out the party. The old independent until you disagree trick.
 
I read somewhere it's believed that with Derby North being a marginal seat and Chris Williamson's standing in Derby that Labour would need him in place to retain the seat in the event of a snap election.
 
Smores said:
Why? What he said was clearly ridiculous and foolish but it wasn't antisemitic.

On the other hand Mr Publicity Tom Watson at it again jumping on the bandwagon to call for independence in the decision making process but also at the same time asking for Corbyn to chuck Williamson out the party. The old independent until you disagree trick.
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Because there was no reason not to refer it up to the NCC, particularly given the other shite he's said. And by the sounds of it, it would've been had Lansman been on the panel.
 


Wow... Highest ever dis-satistaction ratings and the worst net rating of any opposition leader since 1978

Ooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn... Still I suppose it's Blair's / the media's fault or fake polls and people simply can't understand his 4d unicorn brexit chess... Or perhaps the argument will be 75% of the country are idiots?
 
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sun_tzu said:


Wow... Highest ever dis-satistaction ratings and the worst net rating of any opposition leader since 1978

Ooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn... Still I suppose it's Blair's / the media's fault or fake polls and people simply can't understand his 4d unicorn brexit chess... Or perhaps the argument will be 75% of the country are idiots?
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Problem with that is that he's not really a leader and he's not really the opposition either so maybe his score shouldn't count.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Problem with that is that he's not really a leader and he's not really the opposition either so maybe his score shouldn't count.
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I think the most problematic thing is that 92% have an opinion... It's not like there is a swathe of undecided e.g with Cameron only 68% had an opinion... Corbyn has been around for long enough for people to make their minds up and frankly people don't rate him
 
sun_tzu said:
I think the most problematic thing is that 92% have an opinion... It's not like there is a swathe of undecided e.g with Cameron only 68% had an opinion... Corbyn has been around for long enough for people to make their minds up and frankly people don't rate him
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By now it should be dawning on even the most brain dead loyalist that people: Do. Not. Want. To. Vote. For. Jeremy. fecking. Corbyn.
 
nickm said:
By now it should be dawning on even the most brain dead loyalist that people: Do. Not. Want. To. Vote. For. Jeremy. fecking. Corbyn.
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And yet plenty did and up until the brexit party launched Labour led in the polls
 
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