Sooo, that letter in the Guardian yesterday, signed by over 100 prominent Jewish figures in support of Chris Williamson. It has now been taken down “pending investigation”. Seriously.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Amongst other questionable signatorysThey may be investigating how someone like this ended up as a signatory:
Quite a few. Mostly the kind of people that also think the US is ruling the whole world and nothing happens without USA's approval.
I've heard comical things like that the owners of ALDI are jewish, VW is jewish, Mercedes is jewish, the media (in Germany) is jewish and so on .... total mind-shit really, but they actually believe it. And yes, most of them would be on the political left.
Mention the Rothschilds or Goldmans and that usually flushes them out.
Couldn't they just have pretended they weren't, I mean would it have been that difficult?
I know one person that said his whole family hated jews to extent they would actually spit at them on the street. He is an Indian muslim, but it seemed to be more to do with how much money jews supposedly have rather than Israel.
I’ve known plenty. In my circle of friends, in my extended family, in classes I’ve attended, places I’ve worked. Even on the Cafe. Although it seems that for many people their idea of antisemitism is limited to skin-heads with swastikas marching around vandalizing synagogues, none of the antisemites I’ve encountered over the years are, as far as I know, neo-Nazis or anything close.
I'd presume for most anti-semites they only talk about it openly around people they believe to be like-minded, or in the extreme cases if they're pushed to the point of disgust when a Jewish person enters their vicinity. Most people don't like volunteering themselves to be social outcasts.
I can't say I've ever met anyone who's said anything derogatory about Jewish people, but I'd be surprised if I'd never met anyone who holds anti semitic views. That said, I do find the supposed prevalence in anti-semitism in Labour pretty bizarre.
Defending billionaires to own the left
Context and evidence surrounding this bit in particular will be interesting
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Panorama on now, BBC1
Panorama as been crap for years now.
Frustrating watch.
Ubik must be busy doing something else.
Seems like the Beeb have had another blinder. Looking forward to them ignoring the BBC Trust's ruling on this one too.
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So what are people's thoughts on the Panorama documentary?
People will pick which line they follow based on where they already stand.
Meanwhile, the prospect of another Tory election win looms ever closer.
This doesn't really answer the Formby thing at all, who was clearly interfering in the case (you can say it was for good reasons as they have said in response, but they'd also previously said there hadn't been any interference had they not? and it wasn't just about speed, it was about the makeup of the panels), sending stuff to and from non-Labour accounts (given they're so hot on GDPR, this seems odd), and saying she's deleting all traces of the email. None of that is being disputed, it seems. I'm also willing to believe there might be one person who was employed by the party in disputes that had enough axes to grind to make so much stuff up, but multiple people, that also got signed off from working?
Conversely, the Milne misquote is woeful, crazy that that was let through. They should release the full docs sharpish.
Oh I wasn't saying that tweet answer Formby thing at all more than it was another thing the BBC fail to give full context on(Although if the Labour press account is getting hacked then I can why she would want to use a personal email.)
Come on now that wasn't a mistake that got through by accident.
It accidentally got put in the show and the press release put out before the show to make people watch it.
I'll need to give the full thing a read to give a full comment...but I dunno, on first glance, this comment just stuck out to me as...weird? Like, I dunno, it just seems to me as such a strange thing to say about a minority group who are largely claiming there has been discrimination against them. Compared to any other group who I imagine Labour would stand up for there just seems to be so much reluctance and doubt in recognising that there's even an issue here. I mean, I remain unsure how legitimate certain accusations are, but generally when groups are being discriminated against their voices are rightfully considered to be the primary perspective and the key voice you want to hear. And their views can be analysed but here the suggestion seems to be that they inherently need to be questioned and doubted, that there's a somewhat decent chance they're lying, or being hysterical, or somehow being a bit shady about the whole thing.
I dunno, it's a weird one. I think a lot of the cases against Labour when it comes to systemic anti-semitism have been exaggerated at times, but when you see the tweets from certain prominent accounts that have just gone on the defensive you really start to see a problematic pattern emerging. And in a weird way I wonder if the increased focus on the issue is almost beginning to entrench certain issues in the party that weren't perhaps as prominent as they were made out to be initially.
It wasn't a group chat with friends , it was a prime time documentary investigating anti semtism in the Labour Party. Not matter what the minority I would expect a investigative documentary to push for as much detail as possible. The documentary fail to do this a number of times.
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I wonder if the EHRC are also blairite zionists making things up to undermine corbyn 
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...tchdog-could-rule-on-whether-labour-broke-law
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...tchdog-could-rule-on-whether-labour-broke-law
Saw some of this last night and was put off by The Day Today/Brass Eye style slow pixelated zooms on Corbyn like he was some kind of child molester. Is this standard stuff now for prime tv BBC current affairs programmes?
I feel a lot of people are putting their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la, I can't hear you".
The suggestion that a load of disaffected ex-employees banded together and decided that, you know what, lets accuse the Labour Party of antisemitism, is rather fanciful.
The fact that 15 people have already been excluded from the Labour Party for antisemitic behaviour, suggests that there may actually be a problem here.
If you can't accept that then, ask yourself, are you, yourself, part of the problem, or is it that you just can't accept that the only party whose principles you approve of have let you down by not following the principles you approve of.
The suggestion that a load of disaffected ex-employees banded together and decided that, you know what, lets accuse the Labour Party of antisemitism, is rather fanciful.
The fact that 15 people have already been excluded from the Labour Party for antisemitic behaviour, suggests that there may actually be a problem here.
If you can't accept that then, ask yourself, are you, yourself, part of the problem, or is it that you just can't accept that the only party whose principles you approve of have let you down by not following the principles you approve of.
I wonder if the EHRC are also blairite zionists making things up to undermine corbyn
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...tchdog-could-rule-on-whether-labour-broke-law
indeed and its even more obvious that there is credible evidence of a problem when the EHRC decision to prosecute is also factored in
holy shit that's so many
It's most definitely both. The only reason the issue has been weaponised is that there is something their to begin with. It's fanciful to think politicians who don't like the new direction the party is going in wouldn't weaponise such an issue, especially when you have a lot of sub-parties within Labour.
I find the attacks on Formby a bit odd as she was welcomed to begin with and seems to be really highly regarded by many across the board.
Just seen a clip of Jeremy's minder of sorts haranguing the press in Spanish.
Tom Watson who moaned about automatic exclusion now wants...automatic exclusion.
I guess that makes it alright then, the fact that 'only' 15 have been excluded? presumably, that's in the last couple of years.
Perhaps you might take the time to read the whole post rather than picking out the part that supports your, apparent, agenda?
What do you think of this then?
sorry i only read the third quarter of posts and nothing else
What do you think of this then?
oh my god that's literally the most racist thing that's ever happened i've changed my mind about everything and will be voting for boris johnson
of all the examples of antisemitism in the labour party, of all the follow up quotes etc you really have a talent for picking the dullest most benign shit in the world