Now the gauntlet as been laid down by Boris . We will see how strongly the feelings are about a no deal from these politicans, will they sacrifice their jobs or tow the line like good
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A VONC doesn’t lead to an election. There’s a 2 week period where different groups can try to form a GNU and win a confidence vote in the HoC. That could lead to him losing control of the levers of power and control of the timetable.
If he calls for a GE and Labour back it, he still remains in control of everything until he gets voted out. He can dissolve Parliament and dictate the time of the elections.
Do you think there are numbers to be able to form a GNU?
Anyone but Corbyn I think there perhaps could be, but he's so divisive and toxic I just don't see how it is possible
Are we sure he wouldn't advise the Queen not to give royal assent to the extension bill? It seems like something he would do.
Didn't Farage say or imply that if we revoke Brexit the racists would riot?
Incidents have ramped up since talk of a hard border - it’s silly to dismiss the border issue and those “knobhead terrorists”.
Then bring out the water cannons like every other country does and give them a good wash
I don't really get it anymore. It sounds like everyone is abiding too much in bullshit rules and not actually being pragmatic about the situation at hand. If he's so obviously finding loopholes to destroy the democratic process, surely the law makers should be more sensible and not let him do so.
It's a pile of wank.
It's a pile of wank.
Do you always take notice of what this chancer says?
But yes, he said something about getting his rifle.
Why would Corbyn insist on leading a GNU and risk appearing to be the caricature of a power hungry Marxist the Tories paint him as? I mean unless he is just that. What’s the win for him there?
He can simply accept ******* Harman being the temporary leader, with a simple mandate to ask the EU for an extension and going to a GE immediately after that’s signed. He still gets the GE he wants and he doesn’t come across as the guy who wants to get into #10 whatever the cost without the consent of the people.
He can actually claim the moral high ground while having a puppet of his in #10 from whom he could withdraw support and bring down immediately if he wished.
Have they? Looking back through the timeline its been fairly consistent.
Also, what if, Ireland reunites but the Loyalist terror groups start their attacks again, do we keep Ireland separate because the terrorists are at it again?
You do realize loads of stuff happens that isn’t reported nationally?
Ireland won’t reunite in my lifetime
Well aware. Almost nothing is reported in the British press. Its a case of see no, hear no from outside.
And I am not saying it will, but a case of what if. My fear is that if we don't do something due to the threat of violence which didnt really go away in the first place, we set ourselves up for more problems in the future, possibly regarding a future United Ireland.
If you were a loyalist, and had seen how the mere threat of your rivals kicking off prevented Brexit, well you aren't going to go peacefully into uniting Ireland are you?
That's a bit disingenuous. Ireland will only re-unify if the people vote for it.
Which obviously becomes far more likely should border checks be re-established.
Boris bought some, but we're not allowed to use them.
So, if we no deal we get trouble and a fecked economy and if we revoke we get trouble and a decent economy. I'll go for revoke thanks
You think loyalists want a return to a hard border in NI?
Also, no ones blaming everything on Brexit, its a significant factor in the NI political landscape, which is delicate at the best of times. Lump in factors like the North actually voting remain and having been devoid of the NI assembly and you start seeing a better picture of why there's so much concern.
I think it would require an act of parliament to authorise their use... Which if they had not been sold for a loss I could have seen him trying
Good grief...the most obvious shysters in political history are putting on their medicine show, and yet people are terrified of Corbyn.
Yeah, I definitely can't see Corbyn having to stand aside for some welfare bill abstaining no mark ever being used in any future election campaigning. He should definitely do it.
Of course, but its highly unlikely the vote will be 100% to zero in favour, so some people are going to be very unhappy and do what they deem necessary to prevent a United Ireland.
.... and in those circumstances we should just ignore them, plough on and not find a solution that goes some way satisfying them?
He is a commie, they eat babies.
Fair enough.
Nobody that I can see actually wants a hard border, it's a threat from some to try and prevent Brexit. And I am fully aware that Northern Ireland is far from stable, hence my links a page or two back.
Pretty sure the Cummings electoral maths would have involved the brexit party backing a hard brexit conservative manifesto... There is some serious bribing to do before the end of the week... Lord farage?
I think it's more they see him as an incompetent fektard
Jesus, is LBC the pro-Brexit headquarters or something?
So I guess they prefer thieves then.
But they won't have the same easy targets as the other side have. ie border posts, british army barracks etc.
Bombing the Irish parliament or local council offices would not be tolerated by the vast majority on either side.
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Just to be clear, I am sure the vast majority are against all forms of violence, whatever their background. Simply pointing out that in the eyes of some, attacking symbols of an occupying force, can be seen as less serious than other types of attack.
The fact she’s a no mark, works for him not against him. She’s not a threat. And to the extent that politics is all about spin, it will certainly be used against him pretty much like anything he does or doesn't do. But I think it'll be far more politically harmful for him if, post-VONC, he insists on being instated as PM and as a result fails to form a GNU, while the time runs out. He will be partly responsible for no-deal becoming reality while the Tories can play the blame game on him far more effectively.
Reminder that in the case of a VONC, first there's a 14-day period to form a government and win the Houses' confidence. Then there's a minimum of 25 days before an election. 25+14 = 39. If the VNOC doesn't happen this week (which it wont) then after the prorogation ends on the 14th of October there's no time left for an election before Brexit. If the VONC card is played then, it's either a GNU gets formed or no-deal Brexit happens.
Not a bad weeks work!
Why frame this as 'the Tories' when you're already doing it now?
The polling certainly indicates that to be true by a large margin