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Yes, he's been demonised. Yes, that's what happens when you put someone with that much baggage into the spotlight. No disrespect here but many, many people warned that Corbyn would make Labour unelectable, and they explained why, and guess what, they've been proven right - even if Labour itself needs apparently another good beating at the next election to really believe it themselves. (Anyway, there's a whole other thread about why Corbyn is useless, and I don't want to deflect this one).
Apparently it's not racist to hate immigrants if 10% of the immigrants you let in are of a different race as opposed to like 50%.
Feels like afternoon before first leg for champions league semi final 
Todays key timings, for anyone who wants to watch
1630: No deal preparations update
1830: Urgent No Deal debate
2230: Vote
Todays key timings, for anyone who wants to watch
1630: No deal preparations update
1830: Urgent No Deal debate
2230: Vote
Feels like afternoon before first leg for champions league semi final
Todays key timings, for anyone who wants to watch.
1630: No deal preparations update
1830: Urgent No Deal debate
2230: Vote
the no deal debate today and vote is basically to see if they can have control of the order paper (presumably tomorrow) to actually debate extending and voting on that extension (request) to A50
Presuming they pass the bill today what happens if Boris was to call for a GE vote (or a vote of confidence in his government) tomorrow would that come before or after the bill to extend A50 - and who gets to choose that (the speaker or is it pre-determined what has precident?)
Looking forward to Corbyn ramming it down the throats of those who think he's done again. But to be honest who would want to be in charge ,especially if there is a no brexit.
They always let their masks slip at some point.
In the actual deal being negotiated, what are the remaining sticking points and parameters for possible negotiation? Have we agreed to any of it?
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His delivery has been so flat over the last few days I dunno if he has throat problems or what, but he's been more uninspiring than usual.
Don't think he can call a GE due to the fixed parliament act. He needs two thirds of MPs to vote for one.
Interesting and pertinent question! Surely it would be the bill, as that was proposed first?
I don't think there is any desire to negotiate from either side. But this government and the EU both have to pretend they want to cause no one wants the blame for no deal.
Technically there isn't a reason he can't call a vote of no confidence... in himself. That doesn't need two thirds.
Its kind of an open secret in Westminster that he's had health issues.
n but he can call for the vote to have one - which is what i meant - as others have affirmed he can also call a no confidence motion
Im just wondering what takes precident - the action to extend A50, calling for an election under fixed term parliament or vote of confidence
and who decides
Last time May and Corbyn remarkably managed to pretend Brexit wasn't happening but it will be a single issue election this time. Promising to nationalise everybody's grandmother and to give everyone a few more bank holidays isn't going to cut it this time. There will be no hiding for him.
I dont know I thought a vote of confidence came ahead of any other business that was planned - I wasnt sure about a GE vote under fixed term parliament
i wondered if his only way to potentially avoid the extension would be to try to call a confidence motion in himself (wednesday)
if he survived that (so that the remain group can pass the extension legislation) I presumed the extension bill would be thursday
and then he could prorouge parliament from monday - but could labour then call a vote of no confidence once they had passed the extension bill (on monday) ...
and what happens if boris looses the confidence motion but there is then the 14 days for somebody else to show they have a majority - even though the house is supposedly pro-rouged and no business can carry over from the old sitting to the next - so does he just come back in october as PM again?
genuinley so many moving parts to this its hard to know where it will go over the next few days
I know there was a bit of a hoohah about that recently, but his voice is so low and raspy, it has been very noticeable. You'd have thought he'd have been hurling fire and brimstone about Johnson's actions, but it's not been like that at all.
Oh look it's Tom Harwood again 
perhaps he is saving himself for an amazing pmq's tomorrow?
i mean those health stories clearly have no truth
Jeremy and the labour party said they were lies
and hes all about straight talking honest politics so if he had health issues he would clearly make sure the public were well informed about that in case of a snap general election
That the vast majority of EU citizens are white, just as the majority of Brits, are white. So the vast majority of EU migrants are also white.
The average racist is far more likely to have an issue with non EU migration, something which is likely to rise post brexit. If they wanted to see less non whites, they should have voted to remain.
Oh look it's Tom Harwood again
Have he and Owen Jones ever been interviewed together?
That'd be fun.
I know the BBC and Channel 4 decided Scotland didn't exist but he was at the Glasgow rally at the weekend and he sounded fine.
Got to agree with you on that one. He is bland and weak and unfortunately unelectable. And I say that as a Labour voter.
The feck you on about, its very well publicised that Labour policies polled very well at the last election. I think you're going off your own opinion rather than reality
Christ, Nigel Dodds is a hideous creature.
Well yeah, but they are too stupid to realise that.
It seems more the imperialist bilge anyway and the perception of us having to kowtow to Europe, despite WWII.
That's actually good to hear- he didn't sound good being interviewed on C4 news the last couple of days.
Absolutely right although he isn't terribly charismatic or interesting.
I have stopped buying newspapers many years ago. Full of lies and made up stories. I have far better things to spend my money on.
Let's face it. Nowadays we are bombarded with so called fake news. Or to put it more correctly lies and bullshit.
I detest the way that the capitalist media chooses to manipulate people's thinking.
If you have read George Orwell 1984 you will understand how easily this is done and more importantly the consequences.
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...-alliance-meeting_uk_5d6e650ae4b09bbc9ef4cba8
Many have said for days that this is all part of a BJ bluff (including yourself I think?), which is now being flushed out and will also be exposed to the nation in the debate tonight?
is this strategic or incompetence? What is Cummings end game here?
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I thik its to boill down the impending election to
leave vs remain
and finding a way to get brexit party into bed with them whist hoping cant get their act together and the remain vote is split over several parties
he will say the eu wont negotiate because of the remoaner mps blocking the will of the people
I think the last 2 parts in the puzzle is
1. getting the brexit party on board (probably by deselecting rebel mp's and making no deal a manifesto pledge)
2. getting the ge on terms they want (date as close to brexit as possible) - this may be a little trickier unless labour side with the vote to call a GE
Wondering this myself. This will have all been war-gamed, but the mechanics don't look convincing.
To be fair Buster, the press will attack just about anyone in politics. Cameron was a pig fecker, May a weirdo running through fields of wheat. Both as well as Boris have murdered millions of brits and are monsters according to various elements of the press. They feed on the publics desire for blood, just as they do with sports coverage. Its all designed to rile people up. Those for and against. Put simply, it sells.
Each mainstream paper has its favoured party and politicians who get an easier ride from them, but they all have their enemies, the bad guy as far as they are concerned.
That assumes that deselected Tory MPs all belong to safe majority leave constituencies? Would massively backfire if they are marginal Brexit referendum constituencies, as I think many will vote to remain now. Though presumably Cummings has accounted for this in his electoral math?
I would imagine that most voters will put country above party in a BrExit specific GE; so it would effectively become a new referendum. In that vote, I think Remain wins,
Again. I have to agree with you. It is completely the fault of Labour that they have chosen to be led by Corbyn. They voted for him after all.
As to whether the media or Corbyn himself is to blame for his image I would venture 50/50.
This country needs a proper opposition to Boris Johnson and his thug of a political advisor and I really do hope Cummings fails in his convoluted and dangerous plan. No political party and especially its leader should rule by fear. Because that is precisely how Cummings operates. He is a highly dangerous thug and hopefully that will be Boris biggest mistake.
Tory rebel Alistair Burt to stand down as MP at next election
Alistair Burt, the former Foreign Office minister and one of the Tories committed to voting with the opposition tonight on the motion enabling the Benn bill to block a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, has announced that he will stand down at the next election.
As ITV’s Emma Hutchinson reports, Burt, 64, says he is leaving earlier than planned because he does not support Boris Johnson’s Brexit policy. Under Johnson’s plan to deselect MPs who rebel tonight, he would probably have been forced out anyway.
(Other Tory rebels are taking a different approach. This morning Philip Hammond said he might even go to court to ensure he can stand against as a Conservative party candidate. See 8.15am.)
WOW! BOOM!!!!
Tories literally falling on their sword to protest against their Prime Minister! Never thought I'd see the day!
BJ is fcuked!
Alistair Burt, the former Foreign Office minister and one of the Tories committed to voting with the opposition tonight on the motion enabling the Benn bill to block a no-deal Brexit on 31 October, has announced that he will stand down at the next election.
As ITV’s Emma Hutchinson reports, Burt, 64, says he is leaving earlier than planned because he does not support Boris Johnson’s Brexit policy. Under Johnson’s plan to deselect MPs who rebel tonight, he would probably have been forced out anyway.
(Other Tory rebels are taking a different approach. This morning Philip Hammond said he might even go to court to ensure he can stand against as a Conservative party candidate. See 8.15am.)
WOW! BOOM!!!!
Tories literally falling on their sword to protest against their Prime Minister! Never thought I'd see the day!
BJ is fcuked!
In terms of total votes maybe, but this is FPTP - the Remainer parties would need some electoral pacts of their own if they wanted to stop a Brexiteer majority from occurring in Parliament.
So Cantona (sorry, Cantina) wasn't racially abused for being French? And gypsies? They're kinda white, are they never racially abused? How about the Caucasians from Afghanistan with their white skin and blue eyes? No racial abuse in the UK? Mate, you're chatting out of your arse.
How well do you know the average racist? From what I've seen, it's anyone not white British, which includes all of Europe as the "other"
I guess YOUR racism allows non British whites, but you can't speak for everyone in your camp
Precisely right. That was the point I was trying to make.
But you have made it far better than I.
And if he is then it is totally self inflicted by having Dominic Cummings as his so called political advisor.
More like a henchmen who is happy to threaten and kick out people who disagree with his ultra right wing policies with armed police.