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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


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Why have an Election now when Boris is now a lame duck Prime Minister with no majority ?

Better to wait and get rid of No Deal first

They will, but it doesn’t need to take that long. They just need this bill to get royal assent, then they’re good to go. There’s really no point in waiting until Oct 31st is past, as if the Tories win the election after an extension is agreed, they could just cut it short and leave immediately anyway.
 
I was hoping that, by now, Rees-Mogg would be in the back of a removal van.
:nono: now now, Steve. There's no need to call Rees-Mogg a cnut. I mean, I guess he is a cnut but you can't just call someone a cnut simply because he is a cnut.
 
:nono: now now, Steve. There's no need to call Rees-Mogg a cnut. I mean, I guess he is a cnut but you can't just call someone a cnut simply because he is a cnut.
Sorry, mate - I couldn't spell 'cnut'.
 
Anna Soubry comments on David Gauke's tweet:

This is utterly disgraceful and I cannot believe that the likes of @AmberRuddHR @NickyMorgan01 @RobertBuckland @MattHancock are standing by, mute & letting this happen the #ConservativeParty is making the Corbynistas look like a bunch of pussy cats.

David Gauke

@DavidGauke
Just received a text to say that my Association Chairman has been told that I am no longer a member of the Conservative Party. First I’d heard of that.

Not even a member of the Conservative Party?

I finally have something in common with Dominic Cummings.
 
It's like banging your head on a brick wall, but you can't blame people, the BBC just said again today's vote outlawed no deal. No it didn't.

I don't/can't watch BBC but get Sky News and it's the same - either they are deliberately misleading people or the journalists don't understand themselves - I actually think it's the latter.
 
I didn't say the Tory government in general... I was questioning the perceived accepted notion that over the last couple of months the government has become far more right wing; when the evidence shows the contrary.

I'm guessing the answer is simply that it's an easy attack to say the government has become "far right" over the last couple of months, despite little evidence.



In my view it's far more nuanced than that. I don't believe Tony Blair was any of the terms you've described (no fan of him either by the way) however his huge mandate meant he could push through policies that could be deemed undemocratic or totalitarian. But to suggest he moved his party anywhere apart from bolt centre would be incorrect.

I don't think a party can be deemed "moving to the far right" if the entirety of their policy message is in fact moving towards the centre of messages of spending, immigration, social issues etc.

It's a lazy miscategorisation is my only point (coming from someone who dislikes Johnson).

What evidence to the contrary? You’re talking out of your arse or just wumming.
 
Nobody has really talked about the possibility of the EU ruling out an extension. Macron was firmly against and compromised on an October deadline, would he be any more likely to approve one now?

The only reason I can I can of that he might change is that Germany has become increasingly vocal about the negative effects of Brexit on them. Is that even Macron's concern?
 
The leader of the pirates speaks:
PM tells Peston on his purge of rebels: ‘These are friends of mine.’ He takes ‘no pleasure’ in withdrawing whip but they were warned of the consequences.
 
I was referring to Johnson's entire lack of wit and decorum. And how the old-school connections which have haunted England for centuries enable chancers like Johnson to prosper and succeed.
Look Steve, we get it. "Rees-Mogg is a cnut". You don't have to keep going on about it!
 
Rees-Mogg is a cnut.
 
Rees-Mogg is a cnut.

Why do ordinary people vote for priviledged dickheads like Rees-Mogg and BoJo who don't even try hard to pretend they only want to look after the very top end of town? I just don't get it.

These cnuts hate us all and just want us to enrich them and their peers.
 
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Why have an Election now when Boris is now a lame duck Prime Minister with no majority ?

Better to wait and get rid of No Deal first

If I were Corbyn, I'd push for post October 17th election. ie: Make BJ go to October 17th EU Summit, where he has to play nice with EU PMs, and politely request an extension (something he's explicitly promised he'd never ever do), and then report back to parliament that UK will not be leaving on 31st October (something he's explicitly promised he'd never ever do). Both instances would lose him votes.

Those two bits of VDO would then provide Corbyn 'dynamite' material for a negative campaign against BJ proving him to be unreliable, not capable of delivering promises, and a liar

BJ vs Corbyn Election would be the UK's first ever 'presidential' style election, where the vote is really about the party leader, rather than the party manifesto, so will become the most savage character examination that we've ever seen in UK election history. I've no doubt both will tear lumps out of each other. I'm sure Corbyn can handle it, but I fear it may mentally destroy BJ.
 
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Rees-Mogg is a cnut.
Agreed, although the backstop will continue to prove a major talking point for Boris during any election debates. What you mention about the uncertainty regarding his own ability to stay cool under pressure here;

really highlights the uphill battle Boris faces provided that the right questions in the debate are asked. It reminds me of May, who somehow managed to live off of a "strong and stable" impression her marketing team had managed to pull off until she had to speak in front of the cameras and the electorate realised it was all false.

But I offer a counter claim to yours; Rees-Mogg is a cnut.
 
Why do ordinary people vote for priviledged dickheads like Rees-Mogg and BoJo who don't even try hard to pretend they only want to look after the very top end of town
Even Johnson's tax cut for the well off as his first act after ending austerity hasn't deterred people. How much clearer can he make it?
 
Agreed, although the backstop will continue to prove a major talking point for Boris during any election debates. What you mention about the uncertainty regarding his own ability to stay cool under pressure here;

really highlights the uphill battle Boris faces provided that the right questions in the debate are asked. It reminds me of May, who somehow managed to live off of a "strong and stable" impression her marketing team had managed to pull off until she had to speak in front of the cameras and the electorate realised it was all false.

But I offer a counter claim to yours; Rees-Mogg is a cnut.
:lol::lol:
 
Been in meetings most of the day, Just catching up on stuff. Good to see BJ get a kicking off Clarke, was like seeing a little boy being berated by his uncle :lol::lol:

But have to say, this speech from Jess Phillips was the speech of the day for me. She has serious talent, and would make for an excellent Home Minister in a future Labour government.

 
But have to say, this speech from Jess Phillips was the speech of the day for me. She has serious talent, and would make for an excellent Home Minister in a future Labour government.


It was and she would. The Momentum lot hate her though, so she might have a wait on her hands.
 
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Strange, I was able to read it earlier. Anyway...it quotes some financial experts who claim that Labour's aims of a soft Brexit (or no Brexit) now seem far more palatable than Johnson's daylight robbery.