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Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
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Isnt that photo with Paul Hill who was wrongly convicted and later totally exonerated of any involvement?Jeremy Corbyn goes to the wedding of an innocent man?
Got him this time eh...
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I love the way 2017 was supposedly a triumph despite the shitty situation being one of Corbyn’s own making. Don’t get me wrong, I was as impressed as anyone with the comeback from so far behind, but Labour have been on their arse for a long time, and the idea that it’s all someone else’s fault is just nonsense.
Corbyn continually inflicts avoidable damage on himself and his brand, and yet no matter what it seems like people are happy to leap to his defense. How exactly is this helping anyone? It’s been years now, and Labour are still nowhere in the polls. Even if it’s true that it’s all someone else’s fault, so what? Progressives get to win a moral victory while never winning an actual electoral one?
Yeah. That's the point. I didn't bother responding myself.
It didn't alienate voters back then because Brexit played a smaller role than was expected in the campaign. Since we'd not long activated Article 50 Brexit almost took a bit of a backseat because negotiations were largely only starting. While a lot of people were unhappy we'd left the EU, it was also largely accepted that the result meant we democratically had to leave: even the Lib Dems, for example, while hardly advocating for a No Deal Brexit, weren't really arguing for a complete revocation of Article 50.
Labour's polling slump and the Lib Dem surge in recent months quite clearly indicates they alienated a lot of their Remain voters by flip-flopping on the issue. It's all well and good to be coy about an issue but for a long time Corbyn essentially didn't seem to have a view on the biggest problem facing the country. He's been a bit stronger on it recently though.
I think the comeback was initially impressive insofar as we'd all expected Corbyn to fail and his sudden improvement meant Labour were now seen as a viable electoral party again: many expected his poll surges to continue and for him to start establishing regular leads over the Tories, which is what you'd expect any halfway decent opposition leader to do. The problem is that never really happened - by all accounts support for the party has dropped significantly since 2017.
Yeah exactly. And as a progressive I’m sick of it. I have absolutely no desire to see the progressive movement die on that hill.
At this point I think he's still got a decent chance of getting power if Boris cocks up Brexit - and if he gets in I think he'll enact plenty of solid policies, but yeah, for as much as "Who else would you have?" is a somewhat decent retort when there aren't that many big names in Labour who'd be well-suited to the leadership, it's hardly a particularly convincing or reassuring defence of Corbyn all the same.
Literally anybody. Except Alan Johnson, who was put in charge of Labour's remain campaign and was so good at it that he managed to deliver a 68.0% leave vote in his own constituency. Admittedly centrist faves Tom Watson and Yvette Cooper had him beat with 68.2% and 70% respectively.
The guy put in charge of Labour Remain, who'd go on to tell Momentum they weren't needed, everybody! Then three places below him is the moron who put him in that position, when she wasn't abstaining on the Tory welfare bill to look tough on scroungers.
But, you know, all Corbyn's fault.
Progressive movement? Isn't that all just harping on about how great the 2012 Olympic opening ceremony was and how you'd like the inventor of imaginary wheelchairs for work capability assessments to be Prime Minister?
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If he gets into power then I’ll be quite happy. I’ve been firmly behind most of his domestic policies since the global financial crisis. There’s some personal red lines he crosses on the likes of NATO/nuclear arms but I know he would lack the parliamentary numbers for that regardless. My criticism of him is chiefly just based around his electability.
There really is a cult surrounding Corbyn. It's odd.
Yeah no denying that Brexit was not as central in 2017 as it will be now. I think it still demonstrates that Labour do not have to be shouting from the rooftops how much they love the EU to still retain the support of a lot of their Remain supporters. The ambiguity on precisely where Labour stand (although I'd actually argue their policy has been for the most part quite clear, what has not been clear is what they actually desire) has harmed them. I think it's been poor communication and the lack of consistency across all leading figures in stating what they want that has done the most damage. Ultimately I'm less critical though because I believe a loss of voters to the Lib Dems was inevitable. As I said, the Lib Dems undeniably will benefit the stronger they push the Remain cause, whereas it's never been certain for Labour that that would apply to them. It remains to be seen if the greater clarity and leadership Corbyn has now shown will prove effective in reducing the turn to the Lib Dems.
Yvette Cooper, you know, the Progressives' Princess. Back in the glory days where 'progressives' were happy to do anything to rip money out of vulnerable people's hands she was right at the heart of it, including coming up with the idea of using 'imaginary wheelchairs' in work capability assessments. She was also more than happy to look the other way regarding the Tories' immigration plans, despite famed thick as shit Diane Abbott predicting it would lead to things that bear a remarkable resemblance to the Windrush scandal.I wish I knew what any of the things you just said actually meant..
Still, at least she's not Corbyn.
Fairly sure I’ve never been a vocal Yvette Cooper supporter. And definitely sure I’ve never given Diane Abbott any shit. In fact I’ve pointed out to numerous people in the past that Abbott is a highly accomplished woman, and considerably smarter than 99% of the people who call her stupid.
It seems to me that the general sentiment of 'We may as well give him a go, he can't do any worse than the current bunch' is starting to gain more traction and echo.
I'm personally lukewarm to him. I think he'd do okay, but don't like his attitude to foreign policy and could do with a strong and independent FO.
I'm personally lukewarm to him. I think he'd do okay, but don't like his attitude to foreign policy and could do with a strong and independent FO.
Nope, I think it was when they invited the IRA Commander Jerry Adams for tea they are talking about. Don’t know if McGuiness came or if he was buying arms from Gadafi that week
Nope, I think it was when they invited the IRA Commander Jerry Adams for tea they are talking about. Don’t know if McGuiness came or if he was buying arms from Gadafi that week
Of course the factually correct answer is "yes it is."
Sometimes I think you’d rather have the Tories in power than have Corbyn removed. The choice isn’t the awful Cooper vs the sainted Jeremy. It’s the awful Cooper (or sometime like that) vs the disastrous Johnson. Labour members are going to have to decide very soon how much longer they can sit by and watch the Tories destroy the country, and whether keeping Jeremy in place is too high a price to pay for being kept out of power.
Surely the exact same accusation could be levelled at a section of centre leaning liberals whose priorities seem more concerned with removing Corbyn, than getting behind him to defeat Johnson?
At what particular point do you define one as rational well meaning do-gooding, and one as irrational, cultist extremism?
As someone whose never been entirely convinced by, and often very critical of Corbyn, it’s nonetheless amazing to me how quickly the “liberal” opposition towards him has ramped up again, in the immediate aftermath of a pretty good week for him, and a disastrous calamity for the Tories... Maybe I’m just overthinking it, but the timing of it baffles me... especially coming from so many self proclaimed performative progressives. Who benefits from this?
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The timing is hella strange. He's come off one of his best weeks in forever, has showed he can work cross party in a matter of urgency, and has eviscerated BJ at the dispatch box. I'm certainly no Corbyn affectionado, but you can kind of understand his paranoia and the Momentum putsch in the LC's.
Are they ramping up to remove him at the conference?
Yes and no. Tory heartland remainers would be more likely to vote for say, Tony Blair, than JC. He's certainly on the fringes of what many in the electorate find tolerable.
I can't remember the exact poll, but of 1000 conservative remain voters, 800 odd said they would be voting for labour in the next GE if it wasn't JC at the helm.
Doesn't matter if there aren't any for the next 10 years. They [Typical conservative and swingers] still won't vote for him. He is that polarising.
(I'm sure he'd create tension with Israel or the US or something pretty sharpish, but I'm still willing to give him a go myself. Same for many left leaning voters, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt.)
I know, God forbid we have a black woman as Home Secretary. It's much better when we have a white one who'll do her best to deport British citizens whose skin colour happens to not match her own.
I've seen this for much of my life: 'objective' polls & surveys designed to make people think 'Well, I won't vote for Labour because it looks like few others are.'
Ultimately it doesn’t matter how well he does now. His reputation is priced in amongst the voting public. So whether people get behind him now or not, is really immaterial other than for window dressing.
Oh please. Suddenly Cooper, Big Dave Miliband or the next anointed progressive, who couldn't be bothered arguing even one step to the left of the Tories on immigration or welfare for most of the last decade are suddenly not going to "sit by and watch the Tories destroy the country". Give me a break.
With Centrists its about polls, strategy...anything but what is good for people.
Austerity lite as served by Lib/Dems...just the ticket.
Austerity lite as served by Lib/Dems...just the ticket.
What's her skin tone got to do with it? Who cares what colour her skin is? Is this satire?
She's incompetent, they're both incompetent.
Why bring race into it?
Isn't Priti Patel home secretary now? Only brown though, sorry she's not black.
Tend to agree. Most “centrists” don’t believe in anything, bar what they believe people will vote for.
I studied Politics at University and honestly, I can completely understand why this country is in such a mess. Of the 100+ people in my year group, I’d say 90% were oddballs with no grounding in reality and/or wannabe schemers who would do or say anything to get into Westminster
I can see a possibility of a hung parliament with libs being kingmaker's and labour having the option
1. Corbyn lead minority administration that can achieve nothing
2. Formal coalition with libs provided Corbyn is not pm ...
I suspect they will go with option 1 and it would be a disaster
'Disaster' is relative to one's experience, and one's view of the effect a Party's governance has had on its public. For instance, my definition of Conservative rule over decades is that it virtually defines the word 'disaster'.
Because Dianne Abbott attracts more vitriol than any other politician, and we all know why that is. It's tiring seeing her treated as nothing other than a figure of fun for the right-wing. In the run up to the last election, a study of abuse sent to female MPs exposed that she was the target of almost half of all the abusive messages. It's tiring just seeing lazy and unarticulated criticisms of her like 'lol imagine her as Home Secretary', especially when you consider the disgusting and racist policies of our most recent Home Secretaries yet they escape with less criticism than a woman whose worst sin is alleged incompetence. If Abbott makes an error, it is immortal and she is forever deemed to be incompetent whereas her white, male counterparts (be it belonging to the "left" or "right") can commit blunder after blunder or implement vile policies and still be treated with far more credibility as a political figure than Abbott is.
Yeah I'm sure if a white male colleague had said the problem is black people then that would have been totally brushed over ... It's just a right wing media conspiracy to make her seem feking incompetent
That said she's used to double standards... You know like saying private schools are immoral and should be abolished whilst sending her son to one... At least the policy seems to have changed now to taxing them so that only the really rich people like her and Corbyn can afford them and ensure it will be kept of out reach for many others.
Will be interesting to see if she bans Finnish nurses though if she is home sec
After all it was her who said blonde haired blue eyed Finnish girls should not be nurses as they have never met a black person
She's a Liability though I guess it allows people to argue that Corbyn isn't the most useless person in front bench politics
Indeed.
Yet you still find many, even on here, defending polling with blind faith despite not even know how it works