How many of you lads that are crying about the extinction of animals eat meat?
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She is irritating because she is 'in your face' with the truth.
Bernie has said we have 11 years to turn back what is happening. After that it will be too late.
I eat meat but I've drastically cut down my consumption from probably every day of the week to two or three days, in the last few years.
Eating meat is a natural way of life across Earth across almost every species in the food chain so it's hardly relevant, the problem is that we as humans eat and waste too much meat. It's a prime example of something we live beyond our means with. Meat consumption can continue in the future but we need to drastically cut down on it, like with all other climate influencing aspects.
It's also a silly argument seeing as the animals we eat are the ones least likely to go extinct
It's also a silly argument seeing as the animals we eat are the ones least likely to go extinct
I dunno. I've always found the I don't have a problem with eating animal x but i'll happily eat animal y argument weird. Same now with the I care about a random rare hummingbird going extinct but I don't care about the slaughter of millions of cows and pigs.
Anyway, once again colonialism is being overlooked aswell as meat consumption.
Yes. Understand. What I am saying is that it is the children of this world who are choosing to protest. They are doing it for the right reasons; because they have no confidence in the world leaders.
I do worry for Greta and she must be supported in what she is doing. There are people who will do anything and everything to break her. Why. Because they are scared of what she stands for. It is time for the Green movements including extinction rebellion to give her the support that she needs to allow her to champion the climate change movement.
I don't particularly disagree with this thought but I simply don't see how it's relevant to the broader issue. We all know we need to cut down drastically on meat consumption regardless of animals going extinct. Likewise there's nothing wrong with it being upsetting to know that so many of these animals are going extinct, regardless of whether you partake in a natural facet of human existence.
her parents should be proud. she is an amazing human being.
if we keep doing what we are doing, there is no hope. read the science. there is NO optimism unless we change our behaviour.
the fact you think she's just in this for the limelight really shows how little you know, what am embarrassing post this is.
read the science. the fact you don't think climate change is serious tells me you haven't read it enough.
so we should just not care and feck the world then? capitalism responds to the demands of the people. we have to start somewhere.
But the thing is she is a child still, it's not fair to place so much responsibility on her, the green movements should have been the one giving the speech, not let her go through such emotional distress, it's not fair.
she's not in distress because of the pressure or responsibility on her, she's in distress because adults are killing the planet.
This is a difficult one. Yes I do understand that she has been put in a terribly high pressure position. It is almost like her against the politicians and big business. And as I have mentioned they will do their utmost to break her and rubbish her image.
But on the other hand she has become the figurehead, around which millions of young people have rallied around.
I don’t think that it will have affected her that much but now is the time for her to be given the vital support necessary to allow her to continue her brilliant work.
Until just now I wasn't aware that Greta Thunberg has been diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome and various other mental disorders. This probably explains the bolded part of your post and her behaviour in general.
I would say it's probably not a great idea to make an underaged kid that might be struggling with mental illness the poster child of the environmental lobby and expose her to the public pressure and backlash of hundreds of million if not billions of people.
That's not what is being said at all.
you literally said that 'the seriousness has always been hugely exaggerated by a variety of pressure groups'.
the seriousness is evident from the science.
But you said it yourself. They're rare. That's the whole point right? If they're killed off completely there's no turning the clock back and undoing our errors.
I think you don't know much about solar energy. It doesn't matter if its cloudy or rainy, multiple different wavelengths of light still pentrate through clouds and make the panel work. You don't need direct sunlight and in fact the panels themselves aren't very effecient in very hot climates. It's a snowy climate thats the main issue as the snow can cover the panel completely and damage them. Hence they're best used in temperate climates.
She's 16 not 8. It's a bit patronising to say a 16 year old can't make their own decisions on this, she believes strongly in her views but should stay at home because she's just 16?
She shouldn't have to be up there as our governments should be taking action and adults should be protesting but most of the population is apathetic at best or ignorant/idiotic at worst so why shouldn't young adults take action, because it makes the rest of us feel bad?
It hasn't been placed on her... She sees nobody picking up the responsibility, and therefore has taken it upon herself.
People who think she's been thrust into this have no clue.
Cows aren't going extinct the last time i checked.
That's missing the point, the meat industry has one of the largest carbon footprints of all industries.
Not that I think he's got a point by trying to undermine credibility to draw attention away from irrefutable facts...
I'm completely for changes in our environmental impacts. I just think that if you're going to look at one component you need to look at all of them. I don't see how people can be environmentalists without being concerned about colonialism and being a vegetarian/vegan and vice versa. All are linked.
Yeah but that's a general point rather than the two specific being related. We as a household now do 2 meat free days but I've flown 8 flights in last 6 months so really it makes no difference. Individual actions are a very very small slice of the solution it might make us feel like we're doing something but it's just that for self satisfaction.
Yes. Next question.
'Seriousness is exaggerated' does not mean 'not serious'. That should be obvious.
Besides, the falling birth rate will do more for climate change than anything we could actively do.
First of all I didn't say she should stay at home and not say anything, I do think what she said is brave and I admire her for it, but I also think it's unethical to make a a 16 y.o girl suffer and whatever the circumstances she should get help to be able to enjoy life no matter what imo, it's all well and good to have opinions, it's not okay to let it drive a 16 y.o to depression.
I never said she's been thrust into this but of course tell me more about how I have no clue because I disagree with making her suffer, not with the point she is making.
I'm just expressing an opinion here and I'm entitled to without someone calling me clueless because they disagree.
You talk as if someone's been driving her to depression. It's the situation that does it, and if you would like for that to change, figure out how the feck to solve climate change. You're getting the horse before the cart.
I knew I'd come to regret the clueless line, I usually try to be very moderate in how I reply to people, but I just can't believe the way people are framing this. Sorry about that.
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Sure, but consumer behavior drives markets to a certain extent... one can't just insist on governments and coporations doing their bit, they won't unless pressured.
semantics. the science tells us that we need to treat this with the utmost seriousness, that's all that matters.
yes, that will help. but it still won't be enough if we keep burning fossil fuels and chopping down rain forests every day.
Is Bill also in on it?
Yes.
I really don't know enough about the climate change to hold a discussion with someone more informed but it's absolutely wonderful to see how a 16 year old girl with Asperger syndrome rattles so many middle-aged men. I hope my daughter is as driven and intelligent as this young lady at her age.
This exactly, i doubt any youngsters around her age feel sorry for her she seems to be an inspiration to them
it's unethical to destroy a planet that children like Greta won't be able to grow up and live in. that's the bigger point, a point that she herself is making. the stakes are far higher than Greta's personal emotional wellbeing, and she will be the first one to tell you that.
Rightly so.
Are you a scientist then reading the raw data? Or are you just reading the interpretations of it? Because those have been saying the world is going to end for decades. After a while you begin to realise we have a little more rope than we think.
Wrong. The latest climate data shows that the rate of change is accelerating.
We were first warned of the problem in the 1980's. Well over 30 years ago.
And during that time humanity has been making the problem significantly worse. And during that time the increase in CO2 output has continued to increase.
So. My question to you is why do you think we have a little more rope than we think when the overwhelming scientific data says the opposite.
Youngsters in over a hundred countries by the millions.
to be clear: are you saying that scientists have been saying the world should have already ended by now? (incorrect) or that they have been warning us for decades about the dire consequences for the planet if we don't change? (correct)
What are you on about? Scientists have repeatedly underestimated how quickly various effects of climate change would happen.