Westminster Politics

SteveJ said:
It's waaay down the Guardian front page, beneath 'Luxury KitKats launched' & the inevitable 'Fleabag wins the World Cup!' headlines.
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It was leading both the Sunday Times -obviously, given it was their story- and the Mail on Sunday yesterday.
It's getting old now and needs new info or it will slide below fancy kitkats and whatever.
 
MadMike said:
I'm pretty sure Lib Dems are stealing as much from Tories (if not more) than Labour.
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In the next election if Brexit hasn't already been sorted Lib Dem voters are going to be mainly Remainers in this they are going to be up against Labour and the Greens.

If Lib Dem get 10% of the vote in a constancy where Labour are pushing the Tories close they will be taking those votes off of Labour. If Labour get 10% of the votes in a seat that the Lib Dems are pushing the Tories they will be taking those votes off of the Lib Dems.
 
MadMike said:
I'm pretty sure Lib Dems are stealing as much from Tories (if not more) than Labour.
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Indeed there was something like 33% of conservative voters who voted remain... The libs are the most natural vote for those of remain is the main driver of their vote
Equally those uncomfortable with Boris are unlikely to switch to Corbyn and much more likley to go to the libs
With the conservatives moving right and more extreme on brexit and labour moving left and sitting on the brexit fence there is a huge void for the libs to fill
Could do very well I think
 
711 said:
You think Labour are gaining votes from the Liberals?
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There will be seats were Labour get 10% of the vote and if that vote went with the Lib Dems the Lib Dems might get the seat. It's called tactical voting the only problem is that Labour will get that 10% of the vote and the Tories will win the seat.
 
Fully Fledged said:
There will be seats were Labour get 10% of the vote and if that vote went with the Lib Dems the Lib Dems might get the seat. It's called tactical voting the only problem is that Labour will get that 10% of the vote and the Tories will win the seat.
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Right, I took you to mean that Labour had actually been gaining supporters from the Liberals, ie people changing their voting intention, which for Liberal to Labour has been absolutely minimal in the last couple of years. What you describe isn't tactical voting, as that involves someone changing their vote. A Brexit/Tory alliance could result in tactical voting, but there is no such alliance between the Liberals and Labour, and not likely to be given one is Remain and the other is at best unclear.
 
711 said:
Right, I took you to mean that Labour had actually been gaining supporters from the Liberals, ie people changing their voting intention, which for Liberal to Labour has been absolutely minimal in the last couple of years. What you describe isn't tactical voting, as that involves someone changing their vote. A Brexit/Tory alliance could result in tactical voting, but there is no such alliance between the Liberals and Labour, and not likely to be given one is Remain and the other is at best unclear.
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I'm on about voters voting tactically not the parties agreeing to it.
 
After that car crash of a Labour conference the Lib Dems must be feeling pretty good about themselves right now. Really wish they hadn’t gone full revoke though.
 
Anyone else baffled that we have already moved on from Liz Truss accidentally approving arms sales to Saudi Arabia? Already on to the next scandal and it's disappeared from the papers.
 
Oldyella said:
Anyone else baffled that we have already moved on from Liz Truss accidentally approving arms sales to Saudi Arabia? Already on to the next scandal and it's disappeared from the papers.
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Not baffled at all no. They're all in campaign mode for the Tories and 'No Deal Brexit' so everything will be geared towards that end.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Not baffled at all no. They're all in campaign mode for the Tories and 'No Deal Brexit' so everything will be geared towards that end.
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Maybe if parliament wasn't prorogued we might have hear more. It baffles me though. Campaign mode or not the fact it's not a story anymore is crazy. Now moved on to Johnson and his using funds to keep a girlfriend around while mayor. And that will be gone soon as the next scandal comes up. How the tories get away with it..
 
You have to admire the party's ability to always look dysfunctional.
 
Adisa said:
You have to admire the party's ability to always look dysfunctional.
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This isn't their faults though. It's the courts. The rule of law has no place sticking it's nose into political decisions. Down with the courts. Up the Johnson!

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Mr Pigeon said:
This isn't their faults though. It's the courts. The rule of law has no place sticking it's nose into political decisions. Down with the courts. Up the Johnson!

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Actually meant for the Corbyn thread.
 
How would a GNU work? By this I mean, how would you make Corbyn and Swinson play ball?

I assume it would be strictly time limited.

- 2nd referendum on brexit
- Revoke loan charge
- ???
- What else?
 
owlo said:
How would a GNU work? By this I mean, how would you make Corbyn and Swinson play ball?

I assume it would be strictly time limited.

- 2nd referendum on brexit
- Revoke loan charge
- ???
- What else?
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I think it would have to be headed by somebody who wont stand (at least for PM) next election - ken clarke?
I think it would be set up not to enact any legistlation other than - extend A50, run referendum (this would imply no renegotiations and its the current W.A. agreement vs remain)
Call a GE once referendum is done

Of course the real challenge is that over that 6 month period things happen (eg iran war or similar) where the government would be expected to take some action
 
711 said:
So as I said earlier, who is going to ask for an extension? Boris says he isn't whatever acts have been passed telling him to do so. Even if he did he could attach something impossible for the EU to consider.
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Which is why I'm surprised they are not going with an immediate confidence motion .... Guess Corbyn does not want the humiliation of not being able to form a government

Perhaps Boris will call a confidence motion in himself?
 
sun_tzu said:
Which is why I'm surprised they are not going with an immediate confidence motion .... Guess Corbyn does not want the humiliation of not being able to form a government

Perhaps Boris will call a confidence motion in himself?
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Letting Boris flail cluelessly looks quite effective for the moment.
 
sun_tzu said:
3 weeks is a long time to string it out though... It could very quickly look like putting party politics first if labour overplay their hand
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Yeah. Gotta play it by ear.
 
711 said:
So as I said earlier, who is going to ask for an extension? Boris says he isn't whatever acts have been passed telling him to do so. Even if he did he could attach something impossible for the EU to consider.
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What, and break the law again? It's already been made clear that such an idea is not permissible.
 
I've been thinking about elections and GNU's etc quite a bit and the following seems to hold true -

1) For every party except for the tories and lib dems, a referendum before an election would be preferable.
2) For the 'independent' tories resigning at the next election like Soames and Clarke, this is also the preferred outcome
3) For both Boris and Swinson, it would be an absolute disaster.
4) Corbyn is in a peculiar position. It's good for his party to delay, but not so good for him personally; they could viably move against him in 6 months.
5) Foreign policy would cause tensions.

I can see it happening, but it's a bit touchy.
 
It just gets worse for Boris.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49819686

Boris Johnson has been given 14 days to give details of his relationship with a US businesswoman, following claims he failed to declare a potential conflict of interest when he was London mayor.

A committee that scrutinises the mayor's spending has asked for details "of all contact" with Jennifer Arcuri.

The Sunday Times said Ms Arcuri joined trade missions he led and received thousands in sponsorship grants.

Mr Johnson has said everything was done "entirely in the proper way".

Ms Arcuri told the paper any grants she received and any trade missions she joined were "were purely in respect of my role as a legitimate businesswoman".

PM defends actions over conflict of interest claims

In a letter addressed to Mr Johnson and dated 23 September, Len Duvall, chairman of the London Assembly GLA (Greater London Assembly) Oversight Committee, said he wanted the "details and a timeline of all contact" with Ms Arcuri "including social, personal and professional during his period of office as Mayor of London".

He also asked for "an explanation of how that alleged personal relationship was disclosed and taken into account in any and all dealings with the GLA".

The committee has the legal power to summon Mr Johnson to appear before it for questioning and has done once before - when it quizzed him over the failed Garden Bridge project in 2018.
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sun_tzu said:
Which is why I'm surprised they are not going with an immediate confidence motion .... Guess Corbyn does not want the humiliation of not being able to form a government

Perhaps Boris will call a confidence motion in himself?
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Given his personal electoral limitations, I think Corbyn has played a blinder so far.

Everything has gone his way since BJ came to power.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
funnily enough i just read her blog and she doesn't seem quite the same, She almost defends him in a non committal way.
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I noticed that in 6 o’clock news. She looked smashed and dejected, lost that cute girly glint in her eye. The push back from last week has done its job.
 
sammsky1 said:
I noticed that in 6 o’clock news. She looked smashed and dejected, lost that cute girly glint in her eye. The push back from last week has done its job.
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Only until people forget about it, which won't take long.

Either way, the general perception of Corbyn means that even if a General election does get called, Laura will most likely have a new Tory overlord to worship and BOJO can go back to being the clown of the party.
 
owlo said:
I've been thinking about elections and GNU's etc quite a bit and the following seems to hold true -

1) For every party except for the tories and lib dems, a referendum before an election would be preferable.
2) For the 'independent' tories resigning at the next election like Soames and Clarke, this is also the preferred outcome
3) For both Boris and Swinson, it would be an absolute disaster.
4) Corbyn is in a peculiar position. It's good for his party to delay, but not so good for him personally; they could viably move against him in 6 months.
5) Foreign policy would cause tensions.

I can see it happening, but it's a bit touchy.
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Ok so I tried to vaguely sketch out what a GNU may look like...

Harman: PM (less controversy than clarke over past voting to Labour/SNP, and possibly on her way to speakers bench anyway as independent)
Clarke: Foreign Secretary - Hugely well known and liked
Grieve: Attorney General
Starmer: Brexit Secretary
Home Secretary: ??? A corbyn loyalist perhaps ???
Chancellor: Very tough one, essentially a technicrat job in a short term GNU.

Where do the SNP and lib dems slot into these front seat slots? Very tough
 
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