Westminster Politics

She shouldn't be using Jo Cox like that IMHO.

She was asking him to stop using language that keeps being repeated in death threats to her and her colleagues. Why wouldn’t she mention a former colleague who was actually murdered to emphasize the point that death threats don’t always stop at just being threats?
 
He may not, but given his circumstances, I think BJ's bossed it tonight. Despite tonnes of ammo, opposition have barely laid a glove on him.

I doubt he has lost even one voter tonight, and many will have been inspired by his bullish resoluteness. He has certainly been getting personal populism 101 tuition from Trump/Bannon, and anything he says is purely for his base. Ditto AG Cox from this morning.

Anyways, its all moot and won't matter once GE campaigning starts.



I think I've got this wrong. Think BJ's "humbug" remark was off the cuff, and is rebounding in uncontrollable and unintended ways ....

Emily Maitlis was like a rottweiler with a tory MP on Newnight, and Twitter is full of genuine outrage. Seems many tories are also turning ...


Nick Boles MP is a former Conservative and now independent Member of Parliament for Grantham and Stamford.


 
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Tory majority is pretty much guaranteed if Johnson stays, isn't it?

He's useless, he's an idiot, he's dangerous, he's a coward and he's unfit for the position. But all of the Leave supporters will vote for him because he was "getting Brexit done" and everyone who is sickened by his shit will split their votes between Labour, SNP and Lib Dem.
 
Tory majority is pretty much guaranteed if Johnson stays, isn't it?

He's useless, he's an idiot, he's dangerous, he's a coward and he's unfit for the position. But all of the Leave supporters will vote for him because he was "getting Brexit done" and everyone who is sickened by his shit will split their votes between Labour, SNP and Lib Dem.

Depends. It’s a lot blurrier than it used to be, but there’s still a decency line for most people. He may have just leapt across it.
 
I disagree with the language being used. Dictator just demonstrates laziness and the use of soundbites.

It's the same with Johnson's usage of surrender act.

Can anyone say that today, anything has been achieved in the commons beyond hurling abuse at each other?
Boris isn't a dictator, but it was the move of a dictator by Boris. Fortunately we don't live in a dictatorship. His language now though is incredibly dangerous and comes straight out of the Trump playbook which, as we all have seen, leads to extremism and violence. That's what makes me worried about all of this. His reckless behaviour is going to get someone hurt.
 
Depends. It’s a lot blurrier than it used to be, but there’s still a decency line for most people. He may have just leapt across it.
Yeah, you're right. Let me rephrase; some Leavers will vote for him and I'm concerned that's it's enough to be more than those who are left split their votes.

Unless Corbyn plays a blinding election campaign it'll be tough. Right now I vote Labour in the UK Gen and SNP in the Scottish elections (and my constituency is historically the same. It would be SNP completely were it not for all the things Gordon Brown did when he was our MP) but it's waning.
 
Tonight's rumours:

*ERG and/or DUP to push for VONC.
*Possible censure of Johnson...or even impeachment.
 
I wouldn't even dignify that tweet with a response.

How does that play out? Never knew we had 'impeachment' in UK.
Dunno, mate, sorry.
 
I wouldn't even dignify that tweet with a response.

Neither would I, but not why I posted it.

I always try to know what the opposing view thinks, and in this instance, there are polar opposite reactions to the same event. It's becoming ever more myopic.
 
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Obviously should be taken with a pinch of salt, but I think it would do a lot of damage.




The twin objectives of the Johnson government when it took office after the ousting of Theresa May – Brexit by the end of October and a general election fought on a “people versus the elites” platform – remain utterly unchanged by the supreme court ruling.

Johnson’s two-month premiership has been based on an audacious and slightly crazy plan. It still is based on it today, even after Tuesday’s humiliation. That plan is the overriding need, as the Tory right sees it, to deliver Brexit after three years, and in so doing marginalise the Brexit party in a general election.

The as yet insuperable problem with the plan is that it is fuelled wholly by the kind of bravado and pomposity that Johnson displayed this evening. There is a hung parliament, which means the Johnson Conservatives cannot get their own way without compromises they are not prepared to make. And there is the rule of law, which means they cannot ignore the constitution and the courts.

Taken from brilliant article below by Martin Kettle


 
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I believe I may get another smug 'told you so' moment soonish as I called impeachment long before it was popular.

Serious meetings happened late into last night about the viability of impeachment. I am not privy to the outcome but you can be assured the idea is gaining steam given the attendees.

It is 'considered obselete' only in that the Blair government decided to do so. It is assumed that the speaker would at the least grant a debate on the matter.
 
I am not privy to the outcome but you can be assured the idea is gaining steam given the attendees.
@owlo
Do you mean the (high) number of attendees or their (high) profiles, mate?
 
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There really isn't. It would be a descent into full blown Trumpism.

I'm afraid we're already there, just take a look at the papers, the express, mail and telegraph wouldn't be out of place in 30's Germany. I genuinely fear we're heading for civil unrest, the army on the streets and Johnson at the dispatch box brushing it off for the next 5 years, all while the BBC excuse the actions with their particular brand of subtle propaganda.
 
@owlo
Do you mean the (high) number of attendees or their (high) profiles, mate?

The profiles. It's not just the Labour/SNP fringes; at least 2 independents are involved in taking legal advice about it. (I'd guess Boles and Soames, but I can't tell you that with any authority.)

It's still a sticky wicket; bringing it to a vote is going to be a lot more complex than conviction. (I doubt the House of Lords would even blink before convicting.) Bercow is on his way out anyway though, so the chances are good.
 
If they do, it puts the other parties in a shitty position. Imagine having to vote that you have confidence in the jackass who was just found to have acted unlawfully by the highest court in the land

Such a bizarre situation all round. Government wanting to lose a VONC, and an opposition not wanting to pass it. We live in interesting times..
I don't think the other parties will vote with the government
It means then they have 14 days to form a gnu or it will be a ge and in theory a hard brexit I guess as the ge won't take place (I assume) till November
 
The profiles. It's not just the Labour/SNP fringes; at least 2 independents are involved in taking legal advice about it. (I'd guess Boles and Soames, but I can't tell you that with any authority.)

It's still a sticky wicket; bringing it to a vote is going to be a lot more complex than conviction. (I doubt the House of Lords would even blink before convicting.) Bercow is on his way out anyway though, so the chances are good.

Always something interesting to add! Thanks @owlo.
 
She was asking him to stop using language that keeps being repeated in death threats to her and her colleagues. Why wouldn’t she mention a former colleague who was actually murdered to emphasize the point that death threats don’t always stop at just being threats?

Because MPs rightly fear what happened to her will happen to one of them.

Nah I get that but I also think you just have to deal with it. I have had death threats in my job, some ridiculous and others a bit more menacing, but it is what it is. It's totally wrong obviously but they shouldn't keep dragging up Jo Cox to petty point score in my opinion. It's all overly dramatic.
 
Wall to wall media coverage this morning about the use of some words in parliament. It’s truly unbelievable. MPs and media are so incompetent they just obsess over the trivialities to cover it up.

Surely no serious adult really believes that a few childish words are the real cause of anger in the country
 
Nah I get that but I also think you just have to deal with it. I have had death threats in my job, some ridiculous and others a bit more menacing, but it is what it is. It's totally wrong obviously but they shouldn't keep dragging up Jo Cox to petty point score in my opinion. It's all overly dramatic.
somebody threatened swinsons 5 year old kid yesterday
fek not bringing it up - it should be brought up every time somebody oversteps the mark in the commons - three strikes then automatically sacked - these people are supposed to be running the country on our behalf not shouting shit like traitor, enemy of the people, surrender act... and farrage today with his vermin line... the press should really be doing a better job of self policing this as well or if not let the actual police do it
intimidating people to vote how you want is not acceptable - inciting people to do that is not acceptable imo
 
Nah I get that but I also think you just have to deal with it. I have had death threats in my job, some ridiculous and others a bit more menacing, but it is what it is. It's totally wrong obviously but they shouldn't keep dragging up Jo Cox to petty point score in my opinion. It's all overly dramatic.
You might have had death threats but has a colleague of yours been murdered for being a prominent opponent to a process, which is still ongoing, and being used as something to personally threaten your own safety with three years on? A process that is still very much ongoing.

It's unbelievable that you would equate your own experiences to someone else's, regardless of what you do. One doesn't resolve the other.
 
Wall to wall media coverage this morning about the use of some words in parliament. It’s truly unbelievable. MPs and media are so incompetent they just obsess over the trivialities to cover it up.

Surely no serious adult really believes that a few childish words are the real cause of anger in the country

Hear hear. Good post.

If we now live in a world where words such as Surrender, Humbug and Betrayal are seen as dangerous words then my workplace and our local pub are the most dangerous places in the world.