watch that inflamatory talk, you never know when the next Guy Fawkes will act.Inflamatory talk has been going on for years on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new.
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watch that inflamatory talk, you never know when the next Guy Fawkes will act.Inflamatory talk has been going on for years on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new.
Luciana Berger gives up Liverpool seat to fight for Finchley and Golder’s Green (London). A 70% Remain constituency with a large Jewish population. Luciana herself being Jewish and having cited anti-Semitism as the reason she left Labour.
Might sound like a match made in heaven. However she will need to score a massive swing since Lib Dems only got 6% of the vote there in 2017, compared to 47% for Tories and 43% for Labour.
Might sound like a match made in heaven. However she will need to score a massive swing since Lib Dems only got 6% of the vote there in 2017, compared to 47% for Tories and 43% for Labour.
Inflamatory talk has been going on for years on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new.
Yeah but the way the public reacts to it is different.
Steve on 5Live (not our one) saying that Remainers need straight jackets and mimicking the kind of things Boris was saying last night, and finishing off by saying "it's just like any general election vote, you either win or lose and you have to deal with it until the next election... This was a once in a lifetime vote." And then talking over the Remainer caller at every opportunity. Accusing the Beeb of biased views, etc, the whole shindig. Nicky tried to say that there's good points on either side, which the Remainer agreed with, but not Steve (not our one).
And now there's someone saying that Leavers are quite grounded in reality and the Remainers are wrong. She also says the Beeb are biased and Boris is right.
Oh, and the Leavers are both business owners who don't like EU regulations.
Nicky Campbell has also had to protect Naga from both Leave callers who were accusing her of being biased. All of this is incredibly dangerous and I'm genuinely worried. The first Leaver said he knew because "I'm excellent at reading people".
And now there's someone saying that Leavers are quite grounded in reality and the Remainers are wrong. She also says the Beeb are biased and Boris is right.
Oh, and the Leavers are both business owners who don't like EU regulations.
Nicky Campbell has also had to protect Naga from both Leave callers who were accusing her of being biased. All of this is incredibly dangerous and I'm genuinely worried. The first Leaver said he knew because "I'm excellent at reading people".
And? Come on, get a grip. If that's an excuse then we're truly screwed.
*Danny Dyer voice* Now that's proper gander...
Show us the death threats sent to your home, show us your colleague that was murdered for holding the same opinion as you in a process that is still ongoing.
Some of this place genuinely makes me fecking sick sometimes. People so blinkered by their alliances that they'll shun basic human decency and replace it with whataboutisms and hollow rhetoric.
No by all means bring it up. I totally agree, but the family of Jo Cox must be really fed up of her name being used in such a way by both sides of the argument. You can mention one without the other.
I'm definitely not saying it's acceptable!
I've had colleagues murdered yes.
I'm just giving my opinion. I'm not comfortable with Jo Cox being brought up at every opportunity and I'm quite sure her family aren't either. You can discuss the issue without doing so.
Has a colleague in your workplace or mate at the pub literally been murdered because inflammatory language in parliament and the media incited some nutjob against them by branding them a "traitor" or "betrayer" of the people because of their beliefs?
Her husband isn't comfortable with it either I see, which has to be respected, and he's also said both sides need to stop the inflammatory language. There's a careful line between using an incident for political gain and not, but I don't think Paula Sheriff was doing that. The whole thing needs to settle down quite frankly.
I think that's a fair point re: Jo Cox. Her kids have to go to school and every time she gets mentioned (by either side) and it blows up in the press again they're gonna have to deal with it all over again. I think Paula Sheriff could've made that point without bringing her up but neither do I think she was using it to score political points. The response by the areshole across from her was as low as a snakes belly though.
All the interviewees were calm which is why Campbell kept them on the line. Campbell also brought up the question of bias first by stating he gets called the Brexit Broadcasters and Brussels Broadcasters by either side on a regular basis. He also read a text out from a remainer calling every leaver thick.
I can't because I haven't had any and I am not blinkered, and I am a thoroughly decent person thanks.
No politician encourages nutjobs. Nutjobs are nutjobs. Labour and the left have been labelling the Conservatives 'The nasty tories' for years. THis language is nothing new. Parliament is full of treachury and betrayal on BOTH sides of the house. Nothing new here. It is just massively inflamed due to the surreall circumstances we are now in. We cannot and should not sanitise our language to such a degree that we cannot debate or communicate feelings at all.
I guess you're either a troll or the issues at hand are too complicated for your mind.
I'm neither dude, and this is why I try and stay our of the current events threads
There is anger and inflammatory rhetoric on BOTH side of the house and I see no words from EITHER side that inflame my emotions so much as to enact my anger.
I'm not surprised the family aren't happy. That should be enough to draw a line under it although I fully expect it to be brought up again today.
I don't necessarily think Sheriff meant to point score but she could have made her point without rambling on about being 'under the shield of dead college Jo Cox'. Think of her family and not yourselves FFS.
It's not just individual 'nut jobs' though is it. We're talking about football hooligan mobs, the EDL and the whole "Free Tommeh" brigade who are just looking for a reason to kick off. Johnson is pandering to them and fanning the flames every single day.
Agree 100%. Like I said people on both sides need to think about her kids and leave her name out of it.
You know what, I tend to agree. It's a nonsense really isn't it? Everyone now getting hung up on inflammatory language rather than the key issues at hand. Nothing was achieved by recalling parliament yesterday other than childish arguing on both sides of the house. The is what inflames public opinion, not the use of nasty words.
There may be some truth in that but Johnson is also talking for a lot of normal people who voted that way. Not just extreme right nutjobs.
Correct..
Because people are getting death threats and the PM is calling it humbug but how can it be humbug if somebody has already been killed because of Brexit?
Exactly. Both sides are locked in a vicious battle and the public are just as angry.
Brexit didn't kill her ... a racist nutter killed her. And since when the heck has 'Humbug' been a bad word? Social media has allowed anonymous keyboard warriors to spew their bile on all sides on all arguments. That's it, nothing more. It happens over race, sexuality, political arguments. It's not a Boris problem or a Brexit problem ... it is just a problem!
The problem is that on the right you have a growing terrorist threat, it simply doesn't exist on the left.
So you’ve never had your own life threatened or had a friend and colleague murdered but you’re still sure this isn’t a serious issue they should be worried about?
As a centrist (no doubt I'll get called out on that) matey, I am ashamed of BOTH right and left at the minute. I look around in a state of complete bewilderment at current events and the people who fill the house of commons on BOTH sides.
I'm not sure she was 'killed because of Brexit'.
Now I never said it wasn't a serious issue, you're filling in some blanks that weren't there. I just said it wasn't because of some 'words' and I stick by it.
The prime minister of the UK was saying he had never heard such nonsense after being asked to stop using inflammatory language that keeps being quoted in death threats. That is outrageous. How is this hard to understand?
Point still stands though, there is a legitimate terrorist threat from the right, another plot to murder an MP was foiled recently. It does't exist on the left. Boris using inflammatory language on the Brexit and right side of the debate is far more dangerous.
Look up the case of Jack Renshaw. There are some very sick people out there and language that was used last night makes these crazies feel that their actions are supported by people within government.
I'm appalled by how Johnson and his cabinet behaved last night. I hated Thatcher and her cronies but even they never stooped as low as this even when they were agreeing shoot to kill policies in Ireland. God help us if Johnson ever held real power with a majority. In fact you would be on your own...I'd leave the country.
I'm not disagreeing with you. But I fail to see any inflammatory language used by Boris that is any worse than that coming across from the opposition benches. I still stand by my point that both sides should be genuinely ashamed of their current conduct.
True. We are truly on the cusp of this happening. If they can dispute a supreme court ruling with such brazen disregard, under the guise of brexit, they can dispute anything.
It's disgraceful that she has been politically weaponised by BOTH sides of the house.
It was a really interesting contrast between the depressingly hateful language used in the HoC and the far more measured language used by the contributers on the radio.
In my view it was a specific tactic of the Conservatives to go on the attack as a means to deflect the Supreme Court ruling.
The behaviour of Geoffrey Cox was completely unacceptable; especially for his position.
This smacks again of Cummings heavy handedness. He has much to answer for.
I was delighted with the comments of John Bercow this morning.
There are some very sick people everywhere who do things for a myriad of reasons or even no reason. Bercow should’ve just told Johnson to stop being a twat and call it the Benn amendment and not surrender. Language isn’t going to change the opinion of a nutter who thinks his vote has been torn up
fair play to him... Im sure he would rather not have her name brough up at all - must bring back awful memories for him
It's not overly dramatic at all. What happened to Jo Cox proves that.
Is it point scoring if you are concerned that a "colleagues" comments are increasing your frequency of death threats, so you confront them? I certainly would if it happened in my place of work.
You can make your point though without bringing up Jo Cox in name. Respect her family.