So no one should ever mention her? How are we going to learn from history if we don't learn from it?
Why do you think we remember tragedies such as the Manchester bombing or 911?
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Why do you think we remember tragedies such as the Manchester bombing or 911?
I don't disagree with that.
I'm neither dude, and this is why I try and stay our of the current events threads
There is anger and inflammatory rhetoric on BOTH side of the house and I see no words from EITHER side that inflame my emotions so much as to enact my anger.
Of course but you're a normal person. Sadly there are plenty of people who are not and mps are getting death threats with wording thr same as boris uses. He could easily say thr motion to block no deal has hurt his negotiating power but using words like traitor and surrender appeal to certain types, more commonly the right and or radicals. I'm not saying there aren't nutters on both sides, and jo coxs husband spoke the radio today saying both sides are guilty of using poor language, but its way more common to see right leaning social media posts about violence and aggression in relation to brexit.
It's a bit insane that you even have to type that out because it's pretty obvious right? The question is whether you think receiving death threats should be classed as part of the job. Any normal sane person would say that its totally unacceptable and anyone fanning the flames should be reprimanded.
But unfortunately it's got to the point where it's turned political and therefore people will defend the indefensible.
But that implies Boris has to curb his terminology more than the opposition benches. Both sides use aggressive debating language. Boris has used the word 'Humbug' which means deceptive talk or behaviour - whereas Boris himself has been flat out called a liar! I'm not saying he isn't a liar but you get my point. It doesn't matter which side has the bigger nutters, BOTH sides of the house are guilty of inflammatory talk.
Total false equivalence only possible by those from the offending side.
yesterday’s discussion was about one side complaining about the other sides unlawful action and language used to defend it.
Can’t remember any language from opposition bench that used objectionable language or Government bench complaining about it. But you’re welcome to correct me given you stated it came from both sides.
She was. It was the bile and false rhetoric spewed by the leave campaign that led to a far right nutter targeting her.
I'm no offender
So there hasn't been angry exchanges, smears, name calling and vitriol from both sides of the house of the last 3 years? What channel are you watching Sammsky1? I'm not just talking about last night.
I can see what @Volumiza is saying and it seems the husband of Jo Cox agrees.
To play devils advocate someone could assassinate the PM off the back of people branding him a liar, leader of a coup and a fascist.
To play devils advocate someone could assassinate the PM off the back of people branding him a liar, leader of a coup and a fascist.
Yesterdays scenes were so unacceptable, the speaker has had to issue a 'yellow card' this morning. It's unprecedented.
You would agree, he's speaking from you're own echo chamber.
Humbug! Far right nutter yes, because of the leave campaign? No. His actions alone drove him to that.
You would agree, he's speaking from you're own echo chamber.
Sorry for having a different opinion.
The context in which it was brought up was extremely relevant. It shouldn't be taboo to discuss what happened to Jo Cox, if discussed respectfully and rationally.
This idea of respecting her family by never mentioning her name seems strange. Especially in the context of us remembering important people and events on a regular basis. Why should we never discuss Jo Cox? To me that concept seems as ridiculous as not being allowed to mention fallen soldiers names on remembrance day!
You assume that's what she would have wanted? Or what her family wants?
I genuinely find it a strange form of repression or self censorship.
There is the robust use of language, and then there is language which outlawed politicians from Hitlers and IRA era used and led to consequences and is proven to incite violence. You are defending the latter.I'm no offender
So there hasn't been angry exchanges, smears, name calling and vitriol from both sides of the house of the last 3 years? What channel are you watching Sammsky1? I'm not just talking
about last night.
I watch and read from many sources, from both sides. Just see my posts on this event from last 24 hours.
Because all things happen in a vacuum.
I haven't assumed what her family want. They have said it themselves.
You would agree, he's speaking from you're own echo chamber.
You see, that post there has a derogatory tone to it ... Now, I'm not bothered, I'm a big boy but that highlights exactly what we're talking about. And, might I add, there are echo chambers on BOTH sides of this argument
Todays agenda
Ive got a feeling todays going to be pretty lively as well
Ive got a feeling todays going to be pretty lively as well
All very well shouting and hurling insults at each other, but it doesn't actually move us further along.
Firstly, I'm not defending anything, certainly not any of that shower in the house of commons. And since when has ROBUST language been anything other than ROBUST language? Have you never used robust language? I have.
Well done you, so you should. To swallow opinion from one source alone is asking to be mislead.
He might have killed someone if not for Brexit but the fact that Jo Cox was staunchly opposed to Brexit is the reason he picked the person he did.
Perfect! Someone able to look beyond the battle.
That's more accurate than accusing the leave campaign for inciting murder, which is what some people have done.
so you cant rebut my statement. thought so.
The government's tactic is now to turn parliament into even more of a clown show than it was before. This shouting match only plays into the government narrative. Opposition parties desperately need to unite around a new interim PM and turf Johnson out.
Sorry, what do I need to rebut?
It is not intended to move us along.
It is intended to create an us against the politicians. Me against the HoC. I am on the peoples side. They are stopping me getting the country out of the EU....
It is a classic tactic and should be seen as just that.
If the PM and his team are as clever as they pretend to be and if they are really trying to get Brexit delivered then they should be using their energies to get a WA that has been promised such that we can leave the EU at the end of October.
Disgraceful from all sides yesterday. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Some will inevitably pin all the blame on one side or the other, but in reality all are guilty.
Utter balderdash and you know it.
You sound just like trump after the neo nazi rally in Charlottesville.
The response from the chamber was one of intemperate outrage, but the touchpaper was lit via the government's despatch box.
You're such a Tory.
It is. I didn't think there were so many unpleasant people as there is on here it's wearing me down to be honest.
Are you saying Brendan Cox is also talking balderdash?
Or the number of MPs that upon reflection this morning have recognised their own part in yesterday's scenes.
I think people should look well beyond their own deeply ingrained biases for once.
He's the prime minister of course he's fecking held to more scrutiny on his language than others. Deary me
This isn't the playground, who started it and who didn't should be well beyond these grown adults who are supposed to be representative of us.
Enough hostile language, before and during yesterday's disgrace came from both sides.
Anybody buying this revisionism that it was 50/50 is blind in my opinion. Bj and cox came in to that chamber more bellicose than ever, deliberately determined to incite both hatred and stoke anger amongst the opposition.
The government is 100% to blame. They knew there would be robust questioning and took it 5 steps too far. The opposition had every right to bray and protest at that.
For me, anybody who sees it otherwise is delusional, ignorant, or trolling.
The government is 100% to blame. They knew there would be robust questioning and took it 5 steps too far. The opposition had every right to bray and protest at that.
For me, anybody who sees it otherwise is delusional, ignorant, or trolling.
Added to the fact that he's actually been proven to be a liar on numerous occasions in just the last few weeks.
It's disingenuous at best to say that blame is equal on both sides for the rhetoric in the HoC. The hard line Tories and Pro-Brexiteers are pandering quite explicitly to some dangerous far right groups and they are doing so with full knowledge of what the consequences could be.
Totally agree.
Johnson is trying to incite hatred towards MP's as part of his people Vs parliament strategy. It's so blindingly obvious.
Just like it is every anti fascist fault when they protest and fight back right.