Is Pochettino's time at Spurs coming to an end?

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Because overall he's done a fantastic job before having the kind of year that almost literally every manager (including SAF, Clough, Shankly, Mourinho, Klopp, Heynckes et al) had in their careers.

It happens. To EVERYONE. It's happening to Marco Rose at Mochengladbach right now. I'm not sure where this manager who is successful at the highest level but has never a horrifying year is going to come from. But good luck finding him.

You'll need it.

couldn’t have said it better. People are living in a fantasy land looking for a mythical manager who doesn’t exist.
 
Oh, so suddenly Spurs have bad defenders when most of you here have been wanting to get them in the past 2-3 years? Piss poor excuses, Spurs have had it good for a long enough time and still didn't win anything, even when people were patting them on the back for just participating well.

What the feck are you saying? I said the centre backs want out. Not that they're shit.

It's not a stable dressing room at all. They also have a big hole at right back. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You can't go out there and expect a title when they spend hundreds of millions less than the teams above them. How daft do you have to be to suggest that?
Isn't there a reason for rival fans bantering Tottenham about being the biggest bottle jobs? It's because they have the quality but never achieve anything and always choke in the vital moments.

They choked before Poch. If anything he dragged them into the equation of major trophies which is better progress than those prior to them.
 
This is why SAF will always be the best manager of all time in the PL. If there were players like Vertonghen/Eriksen/Alderweireld etc who weren't signing a new deal or were on the decline he'd recognise it and get rid. It did not matter who they were and if they were a key player. They were gone. He'd replace them and the overall squad would be better off even if the individual replacing them wasn't as good.

There are far too many cases in the Spurs squad right now of seemingly 75% investment rather than the full 100% investment needed. Sadly it also seems like Poch is part of that which doesn't help but comining it all just leads to a recipe for disaster.
Not sure that is down to poch. Levy controls sales and transfer strategy
 
Not sure that is down to poch. Levy controls sales and transfer strategy

I disagree. If there is a player in a situation like that then it is up to the manager to address it and notify the board that they need to be shifted. That's what SAF did consistently and didn't give a shite who they were.
 
He wont be sacked. We are talking about Daniel Levy here. Only time he would sack Poch is when its cheap as posible to do so... after his recent contract extension until 2023, that wont be the case right now. Definitely sees out this season at least

AVB was sacked under similar circumstances.

The "tight Levy" thing is such a weird myth that has no factual evidence. I can't help but feel it's perpetuated by anti-semitism.
 
I disagree. If there is a player in a situation like that then it is up to the manager to address it and notify the board that they need to be shifted. That's what SAF did consistently and didn't give a shite who they were.

Thats great if the board listens and shifts them...
 
I disagree. If there is a player in a situation like that then it is up to the manager to address it and notify the board that they need to be shifted. That's what SAF did consistently and didn't give a shite who they were.

SAF isn't a reference, it's a bit like using Maradona when you judge Sterling.
 
I disagree. If there is a player in a situation like that then it is up to the manager to address it and notify the board that they need to be shifted. That's what SAF did consistently and didn't give a shite who they were.
Should be, doesn't make it so. toby alderweireld was frozen out of the squad ages ago for not signing a new contract, yet levy wouldn't sell at a price anyone would pay. That he is leaving on a free and unsettled, instead of a new player in his place is a purely down to levy.

Generally Ferguson had much more power than poch has at spurs.

Hell, even with Coutinho, it was the board that kept him on that summer, Klopp wanted to sell him once he wanted to go.
 
Because overall he's done a fantastic job before having the kind of year that almost literally every manager (including SAF, Clough, Shankly, Mourinho, Klopp, Heynckes et al) had in their careers.

It happens. To EVERYONE. It's happening to Marco Rose at Mochengladbach right now. I'm not sure where this manager who is successful at the highest level but has never a horrifying year is going to come from. But good luck finding him.

You'll need it.

? Gladbach are currently a point below Bayern.

They did poor in in europe but can still make it out of their group and i am not sure what your comment is based on.
 
What the feck are you saying? I said the centre backs want out. Not that they're shit.

It's not a stable dressing room at all. They also have a big hole at right back. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. You can't go out there and expect a title when they spend hundreds of millions less than the teams above them. How daft do you have to be to suggest that?


They choked before Poch. If anything he dragged them into the equation of major trophies which is better progress than those prior to them.
You could say our dressing room hasn't been stable since Mourinho's second season, yet nobody gave him those excuses and nobody gives them to Ole either, who has no fault in it being like that. Our fans expect Ole to magically change everything but would give Pochettino time? It doesn't make sense to me.
 
That's not overachieving. He got them playing well. That's his job. He wouldn't have been able to do that if they weren't good enough to do it.
If that's easy why can't everyone do it? Including United's last 4 managers?
 
AVB was sacked under similar circumstances.

The "tight Levy" thing is such a weird myth that has no factual evidence. I can't help but feel it's perpetuated by anti-semitism.

You have got to be fecking kidding
 
If that’s the case, then he has to take responsibility for piss poor coaching over the past year?
Clearly there is wider issues at Spurs with many of the team wanting out for contractual and other reasons. Teams come to the end of it's cycle. It happens.
 
There are lots of players in that first 11 who haven't been given new deals, so why should they care about the club.

Additionally, this high pressing high energy style is exhausting, it spits players out, Alli, Kane, some of the others there, they look exhausted. It's not sustainable.
 
SAF isn't a reference, it's a bit like using Maradona when you judge Sterling.

Meh, comparisons can still be made I think. He may not be able to replicate something to the exact same level but people can definitely take the same pathways and achieve similar results for the respective level they are at.

Thats great if the board listens and shifts them...

I don't think Levy is as big of this bad man that people on the board like to make out. Aye, he has his issues but I think there was manouevrebility to get rid and Poch isn't being as brutal as he should be with some of them.

Should be, doesn't make it so. toby alderweireld was frozen out of the squad ages ago for not signing a new contract, yet levy wouldn't sell at a price anyone would pay. Generally Ferguson had much more power than poch has at spurs.

Hell, even with Coutinho, it was the board that kept him on that summer, Klopp wanted to sell him once he wanted to go.

Frozen out of the squad yet he's still playing now. Other managers would just not play them if they wanted to take this route.
 
He's been fantastic for Spurs - that should never get underlooked.

If you look at where they came from to where they are now with the type of money he has spent compared to the other top 5 is remarkable.

However he has been at the club for 5 seasons which is a hell of a long time in the modern Premier League era and there were signs last season that all was not well. I think he's already made many questionable decisions this season and his press conferences have been close to a disaster at times.

If I was him I'd take six months off, recharge his batteries and I'd bet by next summer he would have job offers from: United, Barca ( unlikely to take it), Real, AC Milan, Napoli and even maybe City depending on what happens with Pep. Make no mistake about it - he's one of the best managers in the world and has proven it during his time in England.
 
AVB was sacked under similar circumstances.

The "tight Levy" thing is such a weird myth that has no factual evidence. I can't help but feel it's perpetuated by anti-semitism.

Net spend £87m in 5 years, impossible to buy a Spurs player, no, it's not anti-semitism, he's notorious for looking for value and driving a hard bargain, as good chairmen should be.
 
Meh, comparisons can still be made I think. He may not be able to replicate something to the exact same level but people can definitely take the same pathways and achieve similar results for the respective level they are at.

They can't take the same pathway because it's part of the decision making abilities. It's because SAF was able to take the correct decisions at the correct moment that he was at a different level, nothing else.
 
Meh, comparisons can still be made I think. He may not be able to replicate something to the exact same level but people can definitely take the same pathways and achieve similar results for the respective level they are at.



I don't think Levy is as big of this bad man that people on the board like to make out. Aye, he has his issues but I think there was manouevrebility to get rid and Poch isn't being as brutal as he should be with some of them.



Frozen out of the squad yet he's still playing now. Other managers would just not play them if they wanted to take this route.

And what do they do when the player isn't sold after a year? And the replacement is injured or not good enough?

Had he been sold maybe they could have reinvested in a CB
 
Net spend £87m in 5 years, impossible to buy a Spurs player, no, it's not anti-semitism, he's notorious for looking for value and driving a hard bargain, as good chairmen should be.

And Levy is often put in the same category than Aulas, I don't think that they have the same ethnicity.
 
? Gladbach are currently a point below Bayern.

They did poor in in europe but can still make it out of their group and i am not sure what your comment is based on.

Huh....I thought he was doing worse than he is.

He's still new, give it a couple of years. It will happen to him too. Like i say, it happens to almost literally everyone.
 
You have got to be fecking kidding

The one club in the league who rival fans use antisemitic chants against, with a Jewish chairman who has spent roughly £1.5bn over the last ten years on a huge stadium, training ground, has the 2nd highest paid manager in the league, and has spend more money (net) that the likes of liverpool in the last 5 seasons, being labelled with at least 4 of the six canards of Economic Antisemitism on a regular basis.

No, I'm not.
 
AVB was sacked under similar circumstances.

The "tight Levy" thing is such a weird myth that has no factual evidence. I can't help but feel it's perpetuated by anti-semitism.

I didn't even know Levy was Jewish :lol:
 
The one club in the league who rival fans use antisemitic chants against, with a Jewish chairman who has spent roughly £1.5bn over the last ten years on a huge stadium, training ground, has the 2nd highest paid manager in the league, and has spend more money (net) that the likes of liverpool in the last 5 seasons, being labelled with at least 4 of the six canards of Economic Antisemitism on a regular basis.

No, I'm not.

That fact, which is true and disgusting, isn't because of the chairman, it's because of the high proportion of Jewish Spurs fans in general. As well as, as ever, the scumminess of football fans.
 
Klopp's supposedly bad final season at Dortmund still gets brought up here a lot. They had bad luck. Lots of it. More than anyone else in recent history over the course of a season (though mainly in the first half). It seemed like their opponents scored almost every chance they had whereas Dortmund created loads and just couldn't find the back of the net. It was a complete statistical outlier and I have never seen anything similar. He didn't lose the dressing room or any of that nonsense. Reached the German cup final as well.
 
You could say our dressing room hasn't been stable since Mourinho's second season, yet nobody gave him those excuses and nobody gives them to Ole either, who has no fault in it being like that. Our fans expect Ole to magically change everything but would give Pochettino time? It doesn't make sense to me.

Why the feck are you talking about Ole? Poch 11 months into his Spurs season changed the way they played and made them look sharper in their performances. The results followed and there was a clear change in the way they played and the coaching impact showed.

With Ole nothing shows. We look worse. Defensively we aren't any better, offensively we're worse and we have no midfield. Don't compare apples with pears, we're talking about Poch here.
 
Do spurs play worse with kane in the side? when I have watched spurs over the past year i have had the illusion that they seem to look a better team without him playing?
 
Are there actually spurs fans in plural trying to claim here that levy and spurs are criticised on here because of anti semitism?

I find it genuinely offensive that you would stoop this low to try and manipulate the discussion like this. Who are the anti semites? Is this supported by any other tendencies on here? Put up or stfu
 
If he is not sacked in the next week I'll be stunned.

Nah, he ain't going nowhere. Perhaps if he gets mullered by Red Star? Funny how someone's stock can turn overnight. He was supposed to be the next big thing with United fans clamouring to sign him up.
 
They can't take the same pathway because it's part of the decision making abilities. It's because SAF was able to take the correct decisions at the correct moment that he was at a different level, nothing else.

That's the point i'm making though? Poch hasn't made the correct decisions in terms of a few things.

And what do they do when the player isn't sold after a year? And the replacement is injured or not good enough?

Had he been sold maybe they could have reinvested in a CB

His contract was running out. They decided to add a year extension instead of letting him leave. Sometimes letting a player go is better than having a replacement for them because of the impact it has on the overall squad. It's obviously a hypothetical scenario that we are speaking about in terms of Spurs but i really believe the issue is the uncertainty throughout many members of the overall squad. Will they or won't they leave? is a question that surrounds many of the players and there are steps that can be made to challenge and rectify it.
 
If Poch was our coach,by now they would ask for his head on a platter on RedCafe. :devil: Lynch Poch squad was already on the way to his house.:devil:
 
AVB was sacked under similar circumstances.

The "tight Levy" thing is such a weird myth that has no factual evidence. I can't help but feel it's perpetuated by anti-semitism.
It’s perpetuated by him willingly fecking Spurs season to squeeze a few more quid for Berbatov.
 
WTF is going on at this club? We've had the Toby leaving saga hanging over the player for ages and can't be good for him. Danny Rose all through the summer was out of favour and supposedly off to Man City or Italy. Jan was dropped and is now in the tabloids regarding rumours of an affair with Eriksens missus. Trippier, our best right back, left. Aurier just doesn't suit us. Lloris has had drink driving problems but surely that was a one off and his head is sorted but recent performances would suggest not.

This defence needs a serious shake up.
 
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