That might be the least accurate summary I've ever heard about anything. Not to be unkind but that is a really solid example of why you shouldn't talk about things you don't know.
Massimiliano Allegri targets Manchester United job
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That might be the least accurate summary I've ever heard about anything. Not to be unkind but that is a really solid example of why you shouldn't talk about things you don't know.
I'd have a fair few names on the shortlist way ahead of Allegri.
Poch obviously. Tuchel and Nagelsmann. Maybe Rose as well. Ancelotti is also a better manager than Allegri in every regard.
Allegri would basically head up the B shortlist. Ahead of the likes of Zidane, Blanc, Rodgers etc.
Poch obviously. Tuchel and Nagelsmann. Maybe Rose as well. Ancelotti is also a better manager than Allegri in every regard.
Allegri would basically head up the B shortlist. Ahead of the likes of Zidane, Blanc, Rodgers etc.
We can all think he doesn't have a system etc but we have also been outdone by injuries to key players. We all knew what this team without Pogba is.
Who says a manager will last 2 years? why bring players in for 2 years and the next manager wants something completely different? In two years time you want the team to be challenging not go through another rebuild.
Allegri might suit our current team better than Poch. Also Allegri is definitely not a bad manager. I'm not sure if I'd rate Poch better personally all things considered.
Tuchel and Nagelsmann are definitely more exciting prospects but neither is available at this very moment. Rose maybe as well, although maybe we need to see more of him to be sure he is a good choice for us. Ancelotti is not available IMO at the moment so Allegri is one of the best choices we have
He used three formations for one match. It's safe to assume that He isn't tactically inept.
I'd genuinely prefer Wenger.
It's almost amazing, isn't it? By the end Milan had lost all their leaders and talented players without replacing them.
‘He’s not a bad manager’ I think that’s the sticking point on here between the pro Allegri and those averse to him.Allegri might suit our current team better than Poch. Also Allegri is definitely not a bad manager. I'm not sure if I'd rate Poch better personally all things considered.
Tuchel and Nagelsmann are definitely more exciting prospects but neither is available at this very moment. Rose maybe as well, although maybe we need to see more of him to be sure he is a good choice for us. Ancelotti is not available IMO at the moment so Allegri is one of the best choices we have
We need a good one
After 8 games. That is a disgrace.
Don’t know loads about him but I can imagine it would pan out a bit like Jose but without all the hi jinks. I reckon we’d at least have some sort of recognisable strategy to our football without it being massively exciting. I also think he could easily make top four with a couple of extra signings. It would be an improvement on what we have now that’s for sure.
Not sure if you're ironic or not.
The main reason we are losing games is we have nobody to score. We havn't scored more than 1 goal since the first game of the season. With a top CF and a creative midfield player we would score more and win more. Just look at the games and you would see this.
You can also create chances by better coaching. We pass the ball around aimlessly with no plan or structure. That's down to Ole and his team.
Pretty much where we are running into .
He could also help with Jan signings. It will be very hard to get a decent striker or midfielder in with Ole at the helm.
We also have a lot of possession in most of the games but have no plan what to do with it.
We also have a lot of possession in most of the games but have no plan what to do with it.
I'm not even looking at relative form at this point. I'm just isolating our performances, granting injuries and seeing if he has enough quality to put out better performances than what we've seen. We had enough quality to trouble West Ham more than we did. They beat us without even needing to get out of 2nd gear. We had more quality than AZ, Astana and Rochdale than what we showed. We had a better XI on paper than Newcastle and managed to get a deserved loss. Same for Crystal Palace.
This goes back beyond this season. Losing to a demotivated and uninterested, relegated Huddersfield. Losing 4-0 to Everton. This has feck all to do with other sides. It's clear Ole has made us worse on the pitch, even when you consider the players he's fielded.
Not really, no. Our issue is that we never replaced our good(great) manager. Unlike Milan we didn't sell our better performers, the likes of Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva in their prime.
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He has no system. He just has a counter attack as his plan. Even when Pogba is fit he's playing him to deep. He's forcing a winger upfront and central midfielder on the right wing. All while having a natural striker on the bench, as back up to right wing instead of the number 9 spot. These are basics that have nothing to do with injuries. I mean, if it was Jose or LVG doing it the media would go absolutely crazy.
He's absolutely lost the plot. If you watch the games you'll see him fluttering in ways that weren't seen by Jose or LVG, but more like Moyes. I don't think he knows what he's about to instruct the players to do next. Some journalists have also picked up on it, saying he confused Angel Gomes at one point during the game.
Allegri lasting 2 years is of greater likelihood than Ole lasting 6 months, let's be honest. I don't think a rebuild stops if you change manager. Allegri can implement a system that is easier for the next manager to walk into. Easier than Ole that's for sure.
OK, but we could go on forever on this matter as we all have different opinions and I respect that. But I do think that a couple of players in January ( with a bit of luck) could change things around.
You cannot get the best attacking manager in the middle of a season. For that you need a long term plan. For a long term plan you need a board who know what they're doing.
And not a good one
These days anyone can have United job and it should never be the case.
Yeah and with Messi we'd do a lot better. That doesn't mean our manager isn't doing an appallig job. Maybe you aren't looking properly?
Why? We have faced teams with worse players than us and still failed to create much. That shows the problem isn't just down to a lack of talent in our squad.
Maybe you should take up the position of manager then. It's very easy from the keyboard.
If that’s the attitude then we might as well just shut down the forum.
Obviously he's a much, much, much better manager than Solskjaer.
However, appointing him would be a sign that we've learned nothing from the last few years. Appoint a new manager? Great. But appoint one that's consistent with the direction you claim to want the club to go in. If the club actually believe in the young players & attacking football approach they've been espousing under Solskjaer then it should be a principle that lasts beyond Solskjaer's reign as manager. Otherwise we're just continuing the trend of jumping from one type of manager to another completely different type of manager with no actual long term plan whatsoever, with each appointment entailing radically different visions in terms of player recruitment.
Solskjaer is a problem and appointing Allegri would solve it. Solskjaer is not the problem though. Simply appointing Allegri would be a sign that the key problem(s) will rumble on for another several disjointed years.
However, appointing him would be a sign that we've learned nothing from the last few years. Appoint a new manager? Great. But appoint one that's consistent with the direction you claim to want the club to go in. If the club actually believe in the young players & attacking football approach they've been espousing under Solskjaer then it should be a principle that lasts beyond Solskjaer's reign as manager. Otherwise we're just continuing the trend of jumping from one type of manager to another completely different type of manager with no actual long term plan whatsoever, with each appointment entailing radically different visions in terms of player recruitment.
Solskjaer is a problem and appointing Allegri would solve it. Solskjaer is not the problem though. Simply appointing Allegri would be a sign that the key problem(s) will rumble on for another several disjointed years.
Well it's the worst squad that i have seen in my time since 1959. So there you go.
Keep Ole in the job. He’s the man to lead United back to the top.
That's mutually exclusive to Ole as a manager. He's played teams comfortably worse than this "worst squad since 1959" and still had us looking like we struggle against them.
Well don't try to change peoples opinions around to yours.
Stories gathering pace now. Just a question of when not if. I dont think Utd are capable of going on a run of form which would keep Ole in a job that's the sad part.
Allegri is a far better manager than Ole. Everybody knows it. We have issues in motiavating players, where Ole fails constantly since March, issues in game plans and tactics and obviously issues with injuries.
We are defending okish, but we can't control the ball and we can't especially attack correctly...
With Allegri, you will have a younger Mourinho. He parks the bus also so we can't hope total football with Allegri for sure.
Only thing is that he will not manage like Ole, and will hopefully not play Lingard, Pereira, Young and co week in week out.
The squad is really thin, really weak in terms of quality and I don't see Allegri or anyone else doing miracle in that state. But at least, we can have better results and a proper game plan
We are defending okish, but we can't control the ball and we can't especially attack correctly...
With Allegri, you will have a younger Mourinho. He parks the bus also so we can't hope total football with Allegri for sure.
Only thing is that he will not manage like Ole, and will hopefully not play Lingard, Pereira, Young and co week in week out.
The squad is really thin, really weak in terms of quality and I don't see Allegri or anyone else doing miracle in that state. But at least, we can have better results and a proper game plan
I'll be gutted if this happens.
No Im serious you see nothing wrong being 5 points off top 4 after 8 games? We are closer to the bottom 3 and this shitshow is only going to get worse.
It's a debate..
Its still better than Newcastle's. We shouldnt have lost the way we did. As much as I love Ole and want him to stay, he wont make it till the end of the season. The harsh reality of modern football.
Maybe you and your mates should lace up your boots. Very easy criticising the squad from your keyboard.
Yes. He's an upgrade from Ole.
I can see him being much more suited to us circa 2013-2016. Since then, the big two have gone way ahead of the rest.
Yes, Allegri dominated with Juventus, in a ONE team league. I just think he will struggle at Man Utd.
It will take another 18 months to build his team. That's if that works out. We've had Mourinho come along and fail, what is it that Allegri will do that Mourinho didn't?
It's mind-blowing how we go from one style of manager to another.
Surely, we need to carry on and build from Ole's 3 signings with a similar manager to Ole that can implement what keeps talking about but isn't able to implement. This would point to Poch or Nagelsmann.
I personally hope we stay away from Allegri, if not, then Ed STILL hasn't learned from his 7 years of lessons.
It seems like there's a lot of noise coming from unemployed Allegri's PR team who's seeing an opportunity here.
I can see him being much more suited to us circa 2013-2016. Since then, the big two have gone way ahead of the rest.
Yes, Allegri dominated with Juventus, in a ONE team league. I just think he will struggle at Man Utd.
It will take another 18 months to build his team. That's if that works out. We've had Mourinho come along and fail, what is it that Allegri will do that Mourinho didn't?
It's mind-blowing how we go from one style of manager to another.
Surely, we need to carry on and build from Ole's 3 signings with a similar manager to Ole that can implement what keeps talking about but isn't able to implement. This would point to Poch or Nagelsmann.
I personally hope we stay away from Allegri, if not, then Ed STILL hasn't learned from his 7 years of lessons.
It seems like there's a lot of noise coming from unemployed Allegri's PR team who's seeing an opportunity here.
Ben Nagle.