Meanwhile, South Korea has tested has apparently tested 180,00 with around 7000 cases.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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I fear @Kentonio may well be right - I highly doubt all with it have self isolated and if that is true, it will continually spread until we start testing more efficiently.
Theres no chance of controlling it without large scale isolations.
The key thing is the virus spreads before people know they have it. So its basically whack-a-mole, 2 or three days later. Its already spreading through two or three more people before the confirmed cases come in.
We're just slowing the spread, lockdown of schools and businesses will be a week or two away.
The key thing is the virus spreads before people know they have it. So its basically whack-a-mole, 2 or three days later. Its already spreading through two or three more people before the confirmed cases come in.
We're just slowing the spread, lockdown of schools and businesses will be a week or two away.
Where're "it's just a flu" folks at now?
South Korea are showing us how it’s done. Huge amount of testing and no surprises. The only way you can protect the vulnerable from this is to make sure as many people that have it KNOW they have it. That’s why Korea’s death rate is so low - they are simply better at finding the asymptomatic or those with just cold symptoms so A) they can actually see how and where this is spreading and more crucially B) make sure those people don’t interact with the older or compromised population.
The UK is doing an OK job in this regard, certainly better than all the European countries bar Italy (who were forced in to it after it broke out) and waaaaaay better then the states but even then we are some way behind South Korea.
The UK is doing an OK job in this regard, certainly better than all the European countries bar Italy (who were forced in to it after it broke out) and waaaaaay better then the states but even then we are some way behind South Korea.
I keep saying it, but Hong Kong and Singapore are down to only a ~5% increase in new cases per day, I know they're effectively city states and it's hard to compare them with here, but they took robust measures without shutting down their economies and it's paying off.
South Korea is indeed a better example of where we should be drawing inspiration from because they're a full sized country with spread out towns and cities. Yes they have 7k cases, but it's "only" spreading at 2.5% to 7% per day. Much more manageable.
Our cases are currently rising by ~30% per day at present. That's similar to Italy.
I really don't feel like we're going far enough yet.
We're on course to where Italy are currently at.
Government have done basically nothing proactive. It's all reactive moves, coming days too late.
Proper leadership is needed right now if lives are to be saved.
2.5 % per day still sounds a bit high. That's less than 30 days to double the amount of cases.
It's just old people who are dying their lives don't matter, it seems.
I think it's because people want to brush it off as 'just a flu' but in the back of their mind are wondering what if its not, being happy it only kills older people is a coping mechanism for those who are not old.
At the beginning of the Italian outbreak i was interested in the backgrounds of those who were dying. Now it's just numbers.
He's not a doctor and he knows little more than the average lay person. I'm glad he has gone silent.
I think the US response has shown that index is nonsense.
Plus, Italy is very much split into two halves, with the wealthy North being dragged down by the very poor South. Speaking from experience the medical system in Lombardy is easily equivalent to the NHS.
This is spot on. The number of confirmed cases is a factor of how many are actually being tested. Whilst I think the testing does cover a decent proportion most likely to have it, it’s always playing catch up because there’s people who haven’t been tested because they aren’t yet symptomatic and are passing it on, or indeed those who are symptomatic but don’t get tested (as it’s clear on the NHS website even that not everyone gets tested).
So whilst the news says X cases it’s really important to note that this is probably at a serious lag to who actually has it.
Are there any statistics available that give the breakdown of (uk):
- total number of people tested
- number of these tested positive
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Grim news in Italy.
The response will always be in the hands of politicians but it measures preparedness in terms of infrastructure and planning. It's pretty detailed and comprehensive. I don't think it has much to do with their health service experienced on day to day but citizens. If you look at the 'response' section on Italy's page they score 0.0 on this and do badly in a number of other factors
3.3.1a) Does the country have in place an Emergency Operations Centre (EOC)?
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Italy's primary emergency operations centre does not address pandemics. There is evidence that an emergency operations committee through the Ministry of Health for Italy is activated during a public health emergency. Italy's general emergency operations centre is the Italy Situation Room at the Department of Civil Protection, which runs the Sistema incident-monitoring unit.. However, as the Department is focused on responding to natural disasters, disease outbreaks are not normally the triggering factor for response, and an analogous single institution does not exist for human public health emergencies. [1, 2] Instead, public health emergencies in Italy, including epidemics and even incidents caused by terrorists, are addressed by the national, regional, and municipal health agencies. The national government intervenes in proportion to the magnitude of the emergency. [3] In pandemics, for example, the National Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (CCM) sets up a committee to liaise with other relevant agencies at all levels. [4] In that regard, the first line of defense in outbreaks of disease are the regional reference centres, such as the Luigi Sacco Hospital in Milan, which coordinate with the Lazzaro Spallanzani National Institute for Infectious Diseases in Rome. [5] The Sacco hospital has a round-the-clock rapid intervention group (composed of medical and nursing staff) for the transfer of highly contagious patients from other regions of Northern Italy to the Spallanzani institute in clinical cases in the initial phase of epidemic events requiring special isolation procedures as wellas in episodes attributable to bioterrorism.
Is the situation in the USA merely a result of a lack of testing due to manufacturing problems with the tests or is the lack of testing so that the confirmed cases numbers are artificially low?
I really wouldn't put it past the Trump Administration to care more about official numbers looking manageable that make themselves look better.
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Less than 6000 tests for a population of 300 million.
I really wouldn't put it past the Trump Administration to care more about official numbers looking manageable that make themselves look better.
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Less than 6000 tests for a population of 300 million.
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Italy is fecked, the second day in a row they are reporting more than 1000 cases, and now the number of deaths there is greater than the number of deaths in the rest of the world combined (excluding China).
Why the quarantine was not done before is inexcusable.
Why the quarantine was not done before is inexcusable.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rose-toilet-roll-hand-sanitiser-a9385391.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rose-toilet-roll-hand-sanitiser-a9385391.html
I know right. Been clamouring for a fecking lockdown for a month. Sickening to see whats going on. Sickening to see the worlds leader just watch as so many lives are lost.
Hearing somebody as intelligent and reasonable as you saying that is quite worrying!
I don't wish for Italy to burn like this, but I hope the scale of the problem doesn't get this bad elsewhere.
Unfortunately, it seems a matter of time. The forecasts are saying 20-60% of the world population is going to get it within the year. I guess at this stage is all about buying time (if fewer people have it at the same time it is much better than many having it, even if the total number of infected during the year is the same).
I guess the only way to have stopped it is if the entire world did a Wuhan, but that clearly is not happening. Let's hope that the spring and warmer weather really affects it, but it is just hope.
Monday our President was saying he wasn't changing any of his behaviour (he's a bit of a populist m, always in crowds hugging and kissing etc).
Today he said he his placing himself under "voluntary isolation"
Today he said he his placing himself under "voluntary isolation"
You're the only person who's saying that.
You and I both know that isn't true in the slightest.
Who else believes it other than you?
I'm guessing many do not only by the lack urgency shown by the world leaders but also the relaxed views by a vast majority of the population. I've seen many people constantly push forward the fact that this is "just a flu" that only affects older people or those with underlying health conditions.
You must be living under a rock.
Can you show me a post that supports your claim?
You know the world isn't just confined to this board? I've seen a couple of posters claim its just a flu. That Nou Camp fellow. Look around at the world, for heavens sake. The president of the US doesnt give a rats ass, our PM came out with the "wash your hands", the Italians seemingly only just started caring, and the Iranians kept it on the low for political reasons.
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It's just old people who are dying their lives don't matter, it seems.
None of what you've said supports your claim.
What’s intriguing is all the posters I put on ignore for being insufferable on the United forum are heavy contributors to this thread too (I see the hidden posts when people quote them)
Sorry, but I'm totally with him on this. I absolutely agree with his opinion about what the response in the West has been to this.
It seems like 99% of the people see this as:
(A) "This hype is so annoying, I'm sick of hearing about this, lets change to another news story already, could we please?"
(B) "But what about the mortality rate and the high number of new cases being recorded every day in so many different countries?"
(A) "Well see, it affects those who are old or already sick, just like any other disease. Stop pushing this story so much."
(paraphrased from the general opinions most people share about this)
My Mum was at Gatwick 3 weeks ago and is now ill...
She's 61 and is just brushing it off (as she's done with the whole story) and is being very blasé about it, won't really even acknowledge the reality (such is her personality).
We've asked her if she thinks she should report it and look into isolating - flat out 'no', and end of conversation.
She's 61 and is just brushing it off (as she's done with the whole story) and is being very blasé about it, won't really even acknowledge the reality (such is her personality).
We've asked her if she thinks she should report it and look into isolating - flat out 'no', and end of conversation.
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News coming out of Italy is very concerning, that's a dramatic acceleration of cases and deaths. With the amount of people in contact in the UK with people from Italy it's not going to bode well for our numbers over the next week or two.
Weirdly my flat mate (mid 20s) has been last couple of days despite not going out of the house, and my little sister (13) has been ill all week from a cold. So hard to discern right now whether that's just a normal flu or the virus, and what to do about it. I feel like we should be taking more extreme measures but I think people are too inconvenienced by things like washing hands regularly, isolation etc to actually bother before it gets really bad.
Weirdly my flat mate (mid 20s) has been last couple of days despite not going out of the house, and my little sister (13) has been ill all week from a cold. So hard to discern right now whether that's just a normal flu or the virus, and what to do about it. I feel like we should be taking more extreme measures but I think people are too inconvenienced by things like washing hands regularly, isolation etc to actually bother before it gets really bad.
It seems like 99% of people don't see it as that.
It's easy to make up stats and anecdotes.