Underappreicated dark humor there. Good stuff.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
There’s a peak on every curve. It’s called “flattening the curve” for a reason and not “making a flat line”.
Who mans that number? There are limited resources available. Obviously ideally everyone could call but in real world terms you need to at least try to keep emergency lines free of people whose experience of the virus will ultimately amount to that of a mild flu.
I don't think Denmark or Italy are at the peak yet, but they are closer to it which is why they need to introduce measurers to try and flatten it.
"The virus seems to have its maximum transmission period around the time the first symptoms show and for two or three days after, then it declines, so by seven days, the majority are not infectious and fine to go into society. "
It wouldn't have to be manned. There just needs to be a record and some data, which one would think could be very useful.
An app could be even better. With options for what you feel like.
Yeah, but the point is; by closing up shop in the country, we'll be effectively bottlenecking the infection rate and thus the NHS will hopefully not be as overwhelmed if we didn't take drastic measures. Look at data in China for inside Hubei and outside, by effectively shutting down the whole country they've managed to flatten the curve. Yet, I've seen you harp on here how quarantine, cancelled mass gatherings et al won't help. You're arguing with real data from China which clearly shows to the contrary.
Ah thanks. I missed that
Holy shit
But China will probably just flare up again once it opens up. China also has a greater ability to quarantine their citizens that the UK does, so the calculation is different.
Where's that from? We haven't heard anything close to that until now
We have absolutely no way of knowing that. What we do know is that they've done a superb job thus far and if anyone is smart they'd follow suit.
Schools aren't babysitting services.
We can use best evidence, and infectious diseases experts expect it will flare up again.
Key part of this post... you're presuming that they do plan on that.
'Take it on the chin', 'People will die' etc - we're dealing with phony leaders here. Same in U.S by all accounts. These aren't leaders.
Yes, clearly that's what I'm suggesting...
Imagine a war-zone, where landmines are everywhere and innocent, vulnerable people are stepping on them and dying.
The population reaches out to their bloated, greedy Government (who have already near crippled the Healthcare system themselves) to help with the landmines and treating the people who are capable of being saved.
The Government says - 'It's important to keep the wounds clean! Cheers!'.
Somebody critiquing the disgusting lack of action, and lack of resource offered by said Government, isn't disagreeing that keeping the wounds clean is important. As you well know, Daines.
You're talking about emergency daycare for Doctors and Nurses, not the entire population - you can easily make it happen. Many trained Daycare workers would simply volunteer I'd wager.
FFS are people really this pedantic and short-sighted? It's a war-time reality, war-time measures are all over the place, Globally.
And do people really buy this transparent Tory bullshit? Or are they being purposefully obtuse? It's genuinely difficult to work out which.
They are also not doing much testing, and probably hiding deaths (as in, not testing old people with pre-existing conditions).
UK Chief medical officer, it's on the BBC.
And I'm sure if does China will deal excellently with this again by doing what works and not simply leaving people to their own devices. People can't be trusted.
Leaving aside that China is in a better position to implement that sort of measure, what happens when it comes to an end? You'd still have the virus and you'd still have a huge number of people yet to be infected by the virus. That's a recipe for a sudden surge in cases that would overwhelm the healthcare system. Especially if it happens at a point where the virus is peaking elsewhere.
You need a certain but manageable amount of the people who are going to contract the virus to do so on either side of the peak, so the peak itself is lower. You don't want to just delay the peak only for it to overwhelm resources once it arrives anyway.
But while China can do this because of their system the UK can't. We've probably got one big effective quarantine (which will never be as effective as China's).
That's the whole idea of delaying, we enforce drastic measures so the healthcare doesn't collapse. If we can keep the cases down as much as possible then the CFR goes down as the quality of care will be better. It's explained far more eloquently in the video below.
If you catch the virus and recover, is it possible you can catch the same strain of it again and if that occurs, is your body better able to recover the second time?
And that's why we hate to take a proactive approach and keep social distance to a minimum now rather than when we're neck deep in shit.
I think people, like me, had heard if things go into lockdown and we stay away from the vulnerable, the symptoms and the virus pass after a couple weeks. So the thinking became, and I know is from people in other countries, if we are just 'Italy 2 weeks behind', why not jump the gun and do what they are doing rather than wait for it to get worse and then panic more.
That way things hopefully disappear (based on the belief of it passing after 14 days).
Not saying that's right, but I think a lot of people are thinking similar
wouldn’t that just be school?
I haven’t felt tip top in many years
So the main take-away I got from the press conference was - worst case 90% of population gets it - 1% death rate = almost 600,000 deaths in UK alone.
Doing the bare minimum it would seeem
Old people don't go on cruises
School holidays abroad don't happen..
What about old people going to a football match?
Concerts/Night clubs.
The weekend it hit Italy, Museums/attractions were closed.
Non essential events and social activites should be stopped, 75000 at a football match.. stupid.
Old people don't go on cruises
School holidays abroad don't happen..
What about old people going to a football match?
Concerts/Night clubs.
The weekend it hit Italy, Museums/attractions were closed.
Non essential events and social activites should be stopped, 75000 at a football match.. stupid.
Some good news for United fans... United game is on right now in case you've forgotten!
that's probably the daftest trolley yetDon’t be silly of course he’s not. It’s simply that washing your hands is only effective if you substitute ’happy birthday’ for ’The Red Flag’
If your uni is anything like my college (which, surprisingly, might not be the case) then you'll have a development and infrastructure team who are working with the learning technologies team to make sure everyone can work from home, all courses are available in some form online and any students who need a device are provided with one for home use. Bonus points if one of those teams also has a big bald headed bird person.
If this happens it's going to royally feck up my plans. I've got hand ins on April 2nd and Viva and Exams at the end of April then I'm done with Uni. I was planning on wrapping up and going back to work as soon as my hand ins are done but if it's extended and all our hand ins are pushed back to summer it's going to be a major headache.
So what the guidelines now, if you have a standard cold or allergies, stay at home?
But for those measures have to be timed properly for maximum effect and so they don't start coming undone just as the virus is peaking.
For example, school closures in Ireland back when the first case was detected in a school would demonstrably have been less effective than school closures now, because feck all of the cases since then would have been impacted. Yet people were still wrongly clamouring for school closures at that point, despite it repeatedly being pointed out that it was too early. All that would have done is hinder the overall attempt to reduce the virus' peak and the same applies to every other measure. They need to happen at the right time.
Whether they're timing it right I have no idea. But frontloading all heavy measures too early makes no sense when it will just result in a surge after they've fallen apart.
If youhave a cold, self-isolate.
I'm not saying it's the wrong decision, I'm just saying the reason given is bollocks.
It would make sense. All normality is out of the window now. The next few months are going to be really, really weird.
The guidance so far is that everything can be done remotely and for two of my modules that’s definitely the case. For our dissertation (not in my case but I’m sure for a lot) access to the library is essential. Best case scenario is an extension and not actually suspended.