I wonder if this viewpoint will start to fade away as weeks and months pass by?
Can we really get to late autumn, and people are saying, we still need to play the last 3months of last year?
And do what for 2020/21? Have a game of Wembley doubles?!
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I wonder if this viewpoint will start to fade away as weeks and months pass by?
Can we really get to late autumn, and people are saying, we still need to play the last 3months of last year?
And do what for 2020/21? Have a game of Wembley doubles?!
So i was listening to one or two podcasts about all this and reading a few articles, and the general sentiment seems to be that this season WILL be completed and has to be completed. They were unanimous in saying that the season should continue, even if it's in September or the end of August, then have a truncated 2020/2021 season. They held the opinion that it would be better to disturb next season, than to cancel this one for the "integrity" (which is an odd word to use in the circumstances) of the game. All of them agreed though that Liverpool should definitely be awarded the title even if the season didn't finish.
I'm not a fan of completely fecking up the whole of next season, personally. I also can't see how you fit in every game from now until the end of June. I heard if Man City go all the way in the Champions League and FA Cup, they will close to 20 matches to play. Similar for United, really. There's no way that's happening by June 30th. So if they do continue with the season, then it's definitely going to impact next season. It's clear that whatever option they go for, it's not going to please everyone.
I'm not a fan of completely fecking up the whole of next season, personally. I also can't see how you fit in every game from now until the end of June. I heard if Man City go all the way in the Champions League and FA Cup, they will close to 20 matches to play. Similar for United, really. There's no way that's happening by June 30th. So if they do continue with the season, then it's definitely going to impact next season. It's clear that whatever option they go for, it's not going to please everyone.
There's a lot of strange thinking going on.
Determination to finish the league season, but binning cups.
Finishing this season however late into next season, and massively reducing next season!?
Imagine a 20 game league season for 2020/21. Surely that couldn't in any way be treated in the same way as a proper season? Any team winning the league surely couldn't claim that as a win?!
Isn't this a job for FIFA to step in and take control over all footballing matters rather than UEFA ?
I can think of one...
I never feel sympathy for the people at the top of the game, whether it's Fifa, UEFA or whoever, but i wouldn't want to be in their position. Whatever option they pick, people are probably going to get screwed over and feel shit on. Many will be pissed off with the outcome, but something obviously has to happen. People have their opinions on here and think they're right, others will think they're wrong and THEIR opinion is the correct one. It's a shit show, really.
The best option would obviously be to play the season out, but that's not going to be possible; certainly not all the games, anyway.
While I agree, it just takes a moment to see that people think with the Euros moved, that it will be done over that time period, which ain't going to happen. And for me, the further in the year this suspension endures, the more obvious it becomes that a new season is the only option available.
You play to the rules that are stipulated by the body running the thing. If Wolves or Man Utd have a fantastic start, going on to win the league in 20 games then everyone else had the same equal chance. It's still a 'proper' season just under extenuating circumstances.
What is key though is that you have not wasted any season, i.e. 2019/20 was honoured to completion followed by 2020/2021 - to completion. Clubs make their money and survive.
No it will all be decided on the fiercely written arguments by Redcafe posters.
a lot of lower league clubs won't survive on a 20 games season, for sure
How? How is 20 games remotely close to a "proper" season.
Unless you change the rules, where all teams don't have to face each other home and away, (which would just defeat the purpose) it just does not make sense and would, as many have so loudly declared, undermine the integrity of the competition.
And mined you, voiding doesn't mean a total loss of income, quite reduced, sure, but not complete loss.
But even with the financial challenges, the grassroots of football will suffer looooong before any decision of voiding or not takes place unfortunately, they already are.
It's quite possible that come next winter, we'll be in a similar (but hopefully less severe) position which may well mean that next season will also be disrupted. So I would suggest finishing this season even if it takes until, say, September (the earlier the better). Then have a break of, say, 6 weeks before starting the next season - you would need some break just to sort out and arrange fixtures and for a transfer window. The 20/21 season could then run from November 2020 to October 2021 (or earlier if 19/20 can be finished before September) - this would give some slack in the 20/21 season in the event that a suspension of up to 3 months is required in the winter. The next season could run from January 2022 to October 2022 with the World Cup starting in November 2022. From 2023, you would gradually phase seasons back to being from August to May.
the Euros are in summer 2021 though
Ah yes - forgot about that! That would have to take up part of the slack if the season was scheduled to run for 11 months. So play it in the middle of the season like the African Cup of Nations does.
todd getting fat ruined it when it was supposed to have taken place at the time the show ended in it's own timeline.
A 20-game season would see many clubs outside the PL go bankrupt as the majority of them rely on matchday revenue as their primary source of income.
The only way around that would be to convince their playing staff to take a 50% salary cut, which we both know is extremely unlikely.
"spoiler that shit"
You were literally shown the way in the post you replied too.
If any of the other top tier leagues are voided then I think all the rest will follow suit, I suspect they are all waiting for someone to stick their head above the parapet first.
Soon as one is voided, then it gives UEFA a problem with qualifications for next season CL as it will mean that they then potentially have to apply different rules against different countries. Cue the lawsuits again.
Soon as one is voided, then it gives UEFA a problem with qualifications for next season CL as it will mean that they then potentially have to apply different rules against different countries. Cue the lawsuits again.
That would top the chart
"I think anyone could see that the only way for Man United to progress regardless of 8-0 lead or 10-0 lead is to reschedule and finish the match. Anything else is just absurd, and anti-sporting.
Why would the league be any different? If the league is not played out, no award or relegation can be sportingly given out."
Yeah I've been thinking about this. Surely all the leagues need to align, and therefore UEFA have a huge say in this.
You should look up the phrase "context clues". You argued an imaginary point nobody made. Why would anyone advocate to play matches in the midst of the pandemic when most of the world is on mandatory shutdown?
Can you provide a link to this? I've looked and haven't seen an official statement from any league stating that.
- Again how many contacts are expiring for any given top flight club? This seems question seems to conveniently get ignored.
- It will likely be done all over Europe
- How can a club makes sales if a) the have no idea when the season will start b) they have no idea when transfer window will open?
A lot of you seem really eager to cancel this season for some odd reason.
That's all merely your opinion, which conveniently ignores the ramifications of a forfeited season. Not much to really discuss with blanket statements like those.
Firstly you were not at all clear about what you said. Then you demanded everyone to understand you even you did no mention regard that.
Second, from when this is an "imaginary point nobody made" or some general knowledge accepted by all posters here? Did you see the discussions from other posters about the possibility of matches being played BCD after your post?
It's only commonly agreed here that no match should be played with fans in the middle of the pandemic. You're the only one with an "imaginary point" here and worse, you demand everyone to automatically accept and understand you even without any mention regarding that in your post.
Phil Thompson on Sky is disgusting. On every fecking day with his "We have to finish the season." spiel.
Cockwart.
Cockwart.
I'm not demanding everyone automatically accept and understand me, but I'm asking you don't put words in my mouth nor argue straw mans. Furthermore, even if matches are played behind closed doors it would still be under the assumption that it is safe to play. Literally nobody is asking players, non-playing staff, or fans to risk their lives, which is what you insinuated.
A lot of discussion about this season being over, and while I agree that it may not be realistic to play again until the very end of 2020, shouldn't the priority still be finishing this season no matter what?
There are 8 games left in the season, what is the purpose of simply voiding the season, if you're essentially going to replicate the conditions of the 2019/20 season anyway? Focus on finishing the season, whenever that is physically possible, and then start the new season whenever feasible.
This is going to impact the next 2-3 years of sport anyway, I don't really see the benefits of cancelling a season. Would be interested in hearing the counter-argument.
There are 8 games left in the season, what is the purpose of simply voiding the season, if you're essentially going to replicate the conditions of the 2019/20 season anyway? Focus on finishing the season, whenever that is physically possible, and then start the new season whenever feasible.
This is going to impact the next 2-3 years of sport anyway, I don't really see the benefits of cancelling a season. Would be interested in hearing the counter-argument.
Hey who put words in the other's mouth here tbh ?
You didn't say anything about "when it's safe to play" in your initial post. When questioned about that you called my point "an imaginary point nobody made" and demanded me to automatically understand something which is not a general knowledge nor commonly accepted here.
And the bold part in your post is just hilarious tbh. It's safe to play even if mass gatherings are still banned
?I think we'd better stop here. You're arguing just for the sake of arguing. It's totally pointless and a waste of time to continue.
Ighalo for one. Our only striker
Again why would anyone want matches to be played when it is not safe? What type of silly logic is that?
I'm not a medical health professional and it seems neither are you, but if matches are played behind closed doors, none of the participants have the virus, and health officials sign off that would most likely constitute being "safe to play". Not sure why that is so difficult to grasp.And the bold part in your post is just hilarious tbh. It's safe to play even if mass gatherings are still banned
There is nothing to argue since I never said or insinuated what you tried to argue. I'm just pointing out how absurd your original reply was and how nonsensical it is to assume anyone on here would want players to risk their lives or well-being. I'm glad you realize how pointless your response was.
Fair point but I still think it would be fairly easy to negotiate an extension as I'm sure his Chinese club would rather not pay him.
Laughable really. If we follow the trajectory of China (which we won't be able to) then earliest we could return is August. Not happening. Next season will have a delayed start, if they don't cancel it outright.
It's an interesting argument from those that say not completing this season "undermines" the "Integrity" of a competition, but then often in their next breath are happy to carve up next season which surely does the exact same thing.
Exactly. What I don't get is why are we trying to mess with future seasons for 1?
The thought of starting in December, or not having the league cup, no transfer window, delayed transfer window.
Doesn't this cause more long term issues?
It's mostly coming from Liverpool fans, and of course you can understand that.
And of course, a lot of us range from having zero care about them winning it, to taking chuckles from it.
But the key point, is if this takes months, why would you purposely mess a second season up to sort this one? Why wouldn't you just draw a line in the sand and say, right that was a disaster, but thankfully we can crack on and hopefully go back to normal now with a full season?
Putting Euro 2020 into 21 if anything pressurises 2020/21 to go to plan, as there can't be any question of carrying over next summer.
The only sensible situation seems to be try and give this season every chance of being completed without messing next year up, with a proper defined date.
Be that end of June/mid July or whatever.
After that, it has to get culled.
The counter argument is pretty clear.
We're in a disaster zone and the games look very unlikely to fit into our clearly defined seasons.
Why would you mess with another season, to finish this one?
Bearing in mind the decision has to work for all clubs, not just (presumably) your club Liverpool.
Once you get past June 30th, contracts expire, so it'd be quite awkward to just extend 100s of contracts for some random period.
Clubs can't sell their usual season tickets, get sponsorship etc
Then you mess with next season, cutting it down, costing loads of clubs gate and sponsorship.
You finish by saying this could mess years of sport up. Should we get to 2022 and still be finishing 1/4 season from 2 years before? Above anything else?
It's all a nightmare.
Whether you have the virus or not is irrelevant seeing as you can contract it at any time or place without your knowledge. The general rule of thumb is to avoid contact with other people as much as humanly possible, engaging in a game of football with 21 other participants - not including the manager, staff, and subs - directly challenges that rule whether behind closed doors or otherwise.
I understand why Liverpool fans would say that. Are they willing to sacrifice other teams just to give Liverpool the title?
The premier league is one thing but look at the Championship and how many teams have a chance to get into the promotion places? Relegation, Champions league - it just wouldn't work. We have played all the more difficult fixtures.
The point at the end is a good one, have a cut off date and that is that.
Lets see tomorrow.
The only saving grace to any decision, is that no one has actually achieved anything yet league wise.
If Liverpool had already got the last couple of wins, then we'd have a really awkward situation.
Of them technically having won it, but the league maybe not finishing.
I think that would have been very difficult to not award them the win, even if it was voided for everyone else. Leading to a quiz question in 50 years! What year were only champions crowned, but no other positions!
As they haven't, that takes a fair bit of heat off.