Inevitable consequence of giving people weeks and weeks of paid holidays but not telling them to stay local throughout.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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This virus has been the most effective idiot filter I’ve ever witnessed
That and the George Floyd thread.
Mate, agreed. I stopped even reading that thread, blood pressure and all that.
Our village is the same. It’s so upsetting. I hate litter but I’ve literally had to bite my tongue on a few occasions this last week or so.
Golden rule, never bollock someone for dropping litter if they look like they could kill you with one punch!
This is the behavior of non-affluent like minded people
I haven’t been in this thread much lately, too annoying and I’d forgot about that beauty.
Has he ever been back since?
Poor bloke, he’ll have that on his head stone I’m sure.
I suppose a lot of the folks that would be heading off to shagaluf are used to treating places like shit holes on summer trips too, we're just getting a closer look at it this time round!
Clearly a lot of these local spots aren't set up to have that many people in one place, day after day, so there really is nowhere to throw away the rubbish after a while. Still it's shocking how many people don't remotely care in the slightest about leaving places fecked up. In clear daylight too?! Maybe it's one of those things where people feel like they've done their civic duty by committing to lockdown, so they can give up on their other civic responsibilities for a little while as a kind of treat to themselves.
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Tbh I can’t even remember who it was now
Good and informative post. Thank you.On the other hand, in the same article the WHO also said that they expect things to continue to improve, or stabilise, despite the gradual move to open restrictions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53175459
This is the WHO's data for Europe. Between the 11th June and 17th June there were 18,900 cases per day, between the 18th June and 25th June (today) there were 18,700 cases per day.
They didn't specify the 11 countries where "accelerated transmission has led to very significant resurgence that if left unchecked", but using their data they seem mostly to relate to Eastern Europe. Armenia, Sweden, Moldova, North Macedonia, Azerbaijan, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Ukraine have seen an average of 25+ cases per 100k over the last 14 days (the UK are at 25 now), which represents a 20%+ increase on what happened 2 weeks ago.
The trend for essentially all of those countries is they didn't have a first wave.
When Western Europe was having its peak, they weren't. They didn't have the same level of community transmission but they did implement some lockdown measures, so they kept a lid on things in a way Western Europe were unable to do. Sweden have obviously been doing their own thing.
Cases for 11 Countries Combined
There's no increase in cases for the other 43 countries combined, just a general levelling off since around Mid-may.
Cases for Remaining 43 Countries Combined
It's mostly the same in the US. The places that are struggling now are primarily the ones who weren't hit so hard in the beginning. A delayed first wave rather than a second wave. California locked down hard and fast, and relaxed restrictions in a much more measured way than the majority of states, but they're struggling regardless. Those who did well in the beginning - whether it was through good fortune, like Texas or Armenia, or whether it was through concerted action, like California or Bulgaria - are essentially being punished for it now.
Swedens reason for increase is much more testing, as deaths and icu are going down.
After some months with horrible deathrates we are now finaly down to roughly the same deaths as this period last couple of years.
Just get to the pub you wally, and raise a toast to Boris and his 149 deaths for the day.
*squeaks* Okay, chief.
It’s all a bit hard to get your head around. Are there really that many people who would be away this week in any other year? It’s not even school holidays yet, right? Where the feck have they all been hiding ?!
It may sound really dumb and I haven't really thought it through but a lot of people that you are currently seeing in the day would be normally trying to recover from a long night out. One thing that the virus may have provoked is a clash of civilizations between worshippers of the Sun and the Moon.
Or perhaps for just a few months until we get a vaccine?
The country has a significant proportion of spoilt brats.
There are very few reports of reinfection so in the short/medium term you probably won't get it again, much like other viral illnesses.
Antibodies are usually a sign that you had the virus not that you currently have it.
It's the Dawn of the Scousers. They're emerging from the woodwork with glory-hunting on their zombie minds, thirty years after buying shirts with 'Candy' printed on them; now, their paunches transgress social distancing by three metres each and their shirts by four.
Ha! Not a bad theory. Although it’s not just about sleeping off a big night. Think about how many thousands of people would be packing out beer gardens up and down the country on a day like today? With no pubs and clubs to go to, they’re much more likely to get off their arses and take a trip to the seaside.
A lot of people in this country are selfish. I haven't left my house now in nearly 100 days. Not for anything. Yet I see these twats not just going to beaches but littering them with absolutely no regard for local residents, wildlife and the environment. That is actually what makes the lockdown difficult for me. Not the staying at home bit, but seeing others so blatantly breaking rules and nothing being done.
Good point! We take for granted how much bartenders and co. clean up for sloppy drunken bastards. Was thinking that as I went for a midnight stroll the other day actually. Plenty of parks still half full with folks who'd rather be on the dance floor by then I'd imagine. There was a kind of gentle communal beauty to it, it's a shame what comes as a result. Definitely a good few out there having a drink from much earlier in the day too, like you say.
Plus 1/4 of the workforce are still on furlough now. Suppose that's the big difference! After 2 months at home and while you're still being paid not to come in, I suppose I'd be tempted to get out there too. Can't say packed beaches would be a big motivator though!
The day has finally arrived where we've literally had to declare a "major incident" of there being too many idiots in the country.
It's not going to be a few months. It may be never. It's probably going to be more than a year, by which point hundreds of millions will have had their lives, livelihoods etc.. ruined.
True, it does seem like Sweden's cases are mostly about the increased testing capacity. I hadn't realised they were still struggling with that as late as June actually. Strange one.
It doesn't seem to apply to Sweden in this case but in general I'd be wary about feeling comfortable with rising cases but falling deaths. Even with the lag accounted for. It seems a few US states are falling back on that argument now but it's disingenuous because a greater proportion of the cases now are from younger folks in the likes of Florida or Texas, in many cases with pubs and clubs breaking the rules. They're less likely to die but a fair whack of them will still be severely debilitated by them, so that ICU metric will be probably be a better indicator going forward.
Keeping people on a UK-style lockdown for a year is hardly an unthinkable human sacrifice. People have sacrificed much more for much longer in living memory.
Yeah Sweden's deaths/cases ratio was about 0.12 or something for a while. Which I'm guessing is really high. It's going down now though.
It's not going to be never with 7+ different vaccines well on the way to approval/production. The first one could even be later this year.
Hard to have you livelihood ruined if you are dead or permanently damaged by SARS-CoV-2. But I guess old people don't really count.
Hardly a lockdown really.
Unless there’s actual enforcement of social distancing by law, we’re just going to see more & more instances like we did today. By making social distancing measures a guideline, the government are effectively absolving themselves of any accountability for what comes next.
That said, people are selfish morons for flocking to the beaches & behaving as if the virus has been completely eradicated.
That said, people are selfish morons for flocking to the beaches & behaving as if the virus has been completely eradicated.
How will 'enforcing' social distancing actually work?
Tell that to all the schoolchildren who are missing out on education.
I think we are at a point now where we don't need to sit inside, though. Most people as of the 4th July can be back working and can see and stay over with friends/family etc. I think that's more manageable for a longer term than what we've had the previous two months, which means we can actually take our time assessing what other restrictions are safe to lift (I would have thrown pubs into that bracket too tbh but for some reason we've become obsessed with pubs). The economic damage and fallout is done at this point. A lot of people wont have jobs to go back to or wont have them for very long. Whether it's now or another month or two down the line.
I think we're into a different phase now in terms of what difficulties people are going to face (aside from the virus itself). A massive amount of people's mental wellbeing is really on a knife edge (mine is, to be honest). A lot of people have been scared to go outside for months, or coping at home on their own, going into empty offices and struggling because other people aren't there to keep each other "safe" etc. The site of seeing thousands flock to a beach and effectively mocking what's happened in the past few months for example will be a big trigger to some. Finding out a colleague has been taking the piss with the rules/guidelines, etc. Then others who have actually had it relatively easy the past few months but think they've been through the same hardship as everyone else, suddenly finding their job isn't secure anymore, or doesn't just click back into place. People who've been relying on furlough having that support taken away...there's currently a 9 week waiting list for Universal credit I was told today...what does someone with no money do for 9 weeks?
It's very quickly going to shift to being a different kind of problem to manage imo...with the added complexity that the virus hasn't actually gone away and we don't know if or when we'll have a solution to that.
So you can't think of a greater human sacrifice...in this country...in living memory?
Difficult yes, we have 3 who are all currently still being schooled online at home. It isn’t great but it’s stupid and short sighted sending them all back now.
5 schools in LeIcester, 20 miles from me, have all been closed down because of fresh infection.
Now, bad as it is my kids being off, I’d rather that than send them to school while this virus is still running free.
They catch it, bring it home, I catch it, my partner ... who knows where that ends up. Feck that.
What’s your suggestion? Send them all back?
I wish this could be explained to American politicians.
With a lower civilian death toll.
Well, if I remember correctly the police previously said they have no powers to actually enforce social distancing. Maybe if they were able to enforce with the actual threat of prosecution, we wouldn’t see instances like today.
It wouldn’t eliminate the issue as some people are too daft or selfish they just won’t see reason unless it directly impacts them/loved ones, but I believe it would mitigate the likelihood of major incidents occurring.
So what if it’s months or even a bit longer? Isn’t that worth it to minimise the risk to not only yourself but friends and family?
Apart from those doing A levels there won't be a big impact. Although those in lower socio-economic groups will suffer most due to their parents being less able to assist their schools with remote learning for various reasons.
Getting rid of the pointless paperwork and standardised testing would be a bigger priority if we really cared about our kid's education.
And opening schools risks teachers lives even if few kids will die as a result. And kids and teachers have elderly relatives.