I was looking at: http://covidtracker.uksouth.cloudapp.azure.com/ on the "hospital admissions" tab. The Wales stat looks completely out of line with the rest of the country. Does anyone know, is there something different about how Wales reports, do they include cases in any kind of institutional setting (like care homes) in there or something? Or am I completely misreading the charts and need to adjust the colours on my laptop?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Glasgow and West of Scotland back to restrictions within private homes. Playing down the links to schools (they've been open here for three weeks) but it does rather coincidental at best.
Hearing stuff like that makes my blood boil. It’s ok for him to go on his jollies then go on the piss and infect everyone. Because of one selfish twat. I’d start dishing out massive fines that’ll hit hard
There’s a thing going around TikTok today and I’m not sure if it’s true.
A place called Skerries in North Dublin, about 5 or 6 girls from there have been playing a prediction game about who tests positive after going to a ‘Covid party’. So they are all on tiktok saying “I think x will get it because..”
Well turns out one of them tested positive and she likes to lick people when she’s drunk. She’s licked all her mates so most likely they are all infected. Meanwhile 2 bars/restaurants that they all work in have had to shut down and call all the customers that likely came in contact with them.
Not one brain cell between them. Apparently the parents are mortified. The one who is definitely positive has also been visiting her elderly grandparents. ‘Kin idiots
A place called Skerries in North Dublin, about 5 or 6 girls from there have been playing a prediction game about who tests positive after going to a ‘Covid party’. So they are all on tiktok saying “I think x will get it because..”
Well turns out one of them tested positive and she likes to lick people when she’s drunk. She’s licked all her mates so most likely they are all infected. Meanwhile 2 bars/restaurants that they all work in have had to shut down and call all the customers that likely came in contact with them.
Not one brain cell between them. Apparently the parents are mortified. The one who is definitely positive has also been visiting her elderly grandparents. ‘Kin idiots
There’s a thing going around TikTok today and I’m not sure if it’s true.
A place called Skerries in North Dublin, about 5 or 6 girls from there have been playing a prediction game about who tests positive after going to a ‘Covid party’. So they are all on tiktok saying “I think x will get it because..”
Well turns out one of them tested positive and she likes to lick people when she’s drunk. She’s licked all her mates so most likely they are all infected. Meanwhile 2 bars/restaurants that they all work in have had to shut down and call all the customers that likely came in contact with them.
Not one brain cell between them. Apparently the parents are mortified. The one who is definitely positive has also been visiting her elderly grandparents. ‘Kin idiots
Saw it last night, I just assumed the girls were joking as nobody could be that stupid.
Haha maybe you’re giving them too much credit there
UK figures - 3 deaths, 1295 cases.
That's as much as I needed to read before I knew it was going to end in idiots being idiots.
Depends where she licks I guess. If it's just people's arms it woild be unlikely to spread it surely.There’s a thing going around TikTok today and I’m not sure if it’s true.
A place called Skerries in North Dublin, about 5 or 6 girls from there have been playing a prediction game about who tests positive after going to a ‘Covid party’. So they are all on tiktok saying “I think x will get it because..”
Well turns out one of them tested positive and she likes to lick people when she’s drunk. She’s licked all her mates so most likely they are all infected. Meanwhile 2 bars/restaurants that they all work in have had to shut down and call all the customers that likely came in contact with them.
Not one brain cell between them. Apparently the parents are mortified. The one who is definitely positive has also been visiting her elderly grandparents. ‘Kin idiots
waiting for the research testing licking areas
In the last two days we've registered a total of 5 deaths related to Covid.
Yet the figures are showing increases in infection rate, if this things as bad as they say it is then why are the death figures so low.
Industries have been destroyed due to the reaction to this virus and they continue to be destroyed. Maybe the government know they've fecked up and are reluctant to admit it.
The media and social media have made this virus a pandemic, we've seen people running around supermarkets dressed in gas masks whilst kids stack the shelves without any protection.
Did it not cross everyone's minds not a single supermarket has been closed due to an outbreak within the staff yet the media and social media made out the virus would be travelling in the area and infecting everyone throughout the store.
Yet the figures are showing increases in infection rate, if this things as bad as they say it is then why are the death figures so low.
Industries have been destroyed due to the reaction to this virus and they continue to be destroyed. Maybe the government know they've fecked up and are reluctant to admit it.
The media and social media have made this virus a pandemic, we've seen people running around supermarkets dressed in gas masks whilst kids stack the shelves without any protection.
Did it not cross everyone's minds not a single supermarket has been closed due to an outbreak within the staff yet the media and social media made out the virus would be travelling in the area and infecting everyone throughout the store.
Ya know what.
Maybe, just maybe @Devil81 is right and every single government across the world have fecked their economy and he is the one to figure out the truth.
Honestly? The death figures are low because the age profile of the people infected has shifted. Far more younger people are catching the virus now because of their lifestyles. Most younger people are healthier than most older people, and are often asymptomatic or mildly unwell whilst still spreading the virus. They don't die as easily as 70-year-old Type II diabetics with heart disease.
It would be far quicker to Google “why are Covid cases rising and deaths falling”.
The answer is because teenagers have been going to Covid parties and licking each other.
Wales are weird. They count any suspected admissions, while England and Scotland only count confirmed. So Wales have the weird situation where their daily admissions can be higher than their total current hospitalisations.
That's cool, I'll let the 50,000 dead people know that it's just social media.
Life isn't too dissimilar to what it was pre Covid now, why aren't the 70 year olds getting it anymore?
Fair enough the younger generation are now the people catching it but you can't tell me they aren't coming into contact with family members of an older age group.
Other than the masks I don't see how anything has changed in supermarkets or in people's houses. I've been out every week with the help out to eat out scheme and seen families and people of the age to be considered vulnerable.
I'm just not buying it being as bad as they first made out and I'm not alone in my thinking.
Ah, I can see how that happens. Thanks.
Well, tens of thousands of the very vulnerable people are already dead, so that's one fact. And you may think things are similar now, but you probably don't spend a lot of time with many older people/chronically sick people. Loads of at-risk people stayed in their houses for months and months - I know quite a few of them. I'm still staying in far more than I was before. I have friends in their 70s and 80s who are still sheltering at home, it's been 5 months now.
Yes, of course some older people are now going out and socialising, but a lot aren't. I assume you're young and healthy (apols if you're not), but when you're neither of those things I can assure you that it's just as bad as the experts are saying. If I were to catch it, I would probably have a very severe reaction because my immune system does weird things. Same thing for my husband, he is also at high risk. We're not even particularly old.
I can tell you that the over 70s in my own family are very definitely still trying to minimise contacts - to the point where it's causing conflict between them and their kids/grandkids who feel like they're being accused of being carriers/covidiots. So yeah, some are out and about - but hopefully not the ones at highest risk, and the ones who are out are hopefully sticking to the social distancing rules, worrying about clean hands etc. Also, right now, the numbers infected are estimated at 1:2000 across the UK - so the odds of being lucky are still pretty good.
3 members of my extended family, all living in different parts of the north west, died back in March/April (one on return from a holiday in Spain, one probably catching it from a grandkid who'd been skiing in Italy, one who probably caught it during a clinic appointment). One had just completed chemo for cancer. The other two had no special preconditions beyond being in their 70s and male. For them, and those close to them, it was about as bad it can get.
You're seeing an increase in cases, not infection rate, and that's due to more pillar two testing (community based testing). Which up until recently was only able to those who had symptoms. In designated hot spot areas, you are able to get a test without symptoms, and they are finding more asymptomatic cases as a result. Most likely those cases being found recently is in younger and healthier people, hence the lower hospitalisation rate.
Over 40,000 deaths, and could have been even worse if they didn't close down. Some industries have seen a downturn, but very little has been destroyed. Airline industry has been hardest hit I would say, but then it's an industry which makes billions for share holders. They will still survive. There's other industries who are doing well in this lockdown.
Walk into most hospitals in the world and see if the media & social media have made this virus a pandemic. Set yourself 5 minutes aside to watch this -
A supermarket has been closed for an outbreak - https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...statement-staff-positive-coronavirus-18194240
You’re underestimating the number of people who are continuing to curb their usual behaviour because of their age and/or vulnerability. They’re minimising contact, spending a lot of time at home, only meeting outdoors, practising social distancing and good hand hygiene.
That is precisely the case for my immediate/extended family and is a reflection of what’s happening in the wider population.
Spain with 8115 new cases for Tuesday.
"The rate of coronavirus infection in Spain shows no sign of slowing down, with the country’s Health Ministry reporting 8,115 new cases on Tuesday.
The number of infections in the last week in Spain is nearly 50,000. That means over the past seven days, more than one out of every 1,000 Spanish residents has tested positive for the virus. In the worst-affected regions of the capital Madrid and La Rioja, it is more than one out of every 500 residents.
The ministry also reported a total of 29,152 COVID-19 deaths – 58 more than on Monday, and nearly 900 more COVID-19 patients being admitted into hospitals."
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-...n-detects-more-than-8-000-daily-cases/1960158
"The rate of coronavirus infection in Spain shows no sign of slowing down, with the country’s Health Ministry reporting 8,115 new cases on Tuesday.
The number of infections in the last week in Spain is nearly 50,000. That means over the past seven days, more than one out of every 1,000 Spanish residents has tested positive for the virus. In the worst-affected regions of the capital Madrid and La Rioja, it is more than one out of every 500 residents.
The ministry also reported a total of 29,152 COVID-19 deaths – 58 more than on Monday, and nearly 900 more COVID-19 patients being admitted into hospitals."
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-...n-detects-more-than-8-000-daily-cases/1960158
Founder effect is well known in biology so I guess it makes sense the same thing occurs with viruses. And I thought it seemed like a great paper - not that I'm probably informed enough to really know - so agreed about where published
That must be it. Why didn't the rest of us think of that. We all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Thank goodness you noticed and now the world can return to normal. A bit poorer but relieved, because at least Devil81 has revealed the truth.
Australia has had to close some supermarkets for a deep clean.
There’s a lot of talk about young people being the main drivers of the new rounds of infection and that may be partially true but I’m not hearing much about the obvious other reason - increased testing and public awareness. Both of these have ramped up to such a degree that anyone that has symptoms (hopefully) is off and now able to get a test easily, meaning we are catching a much, much larger percentage of people who have this mildly.
If Spain were getting 5-6000 a day before they were probably realistically getting 10x that in reality. Now they are probably only getting 2x or less.
5000 a day isn’t actually that worrying if it is a true representation of infection and in all settings. 5000 a day IS worrying if those are all presenting desperately sick at a hospital.
If Spain were getting 5-6000 a day before they were probably realistically getting 10x that in reality. Now they are probably only getting 2x or less.
5000 a day isn’t actually that worrying if it is a true representation of infection and in all settings. 5000 a day IS worrying if those are all presenting desperately sick at a hospital.
Of course vaccines are designed to target the highly conserved domain of the virus and the coronavirus isn't mutating as much as the flu virus. Never worry about that.
But there has been lots of poorly informed talk about different "strains" meaning a vaccine wouldn't be effective on all of them, which I thought wasn't accurate, but nice to see it confirmed in a well written peer reviewed journal article.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2026116?query=featured_home
Study shows infection with SARS-CoV-2 have antibodies 4 months later (and counting).
Study shows infection with SARS-CoV-2 have antibodies 4 months later (and counting).
Not sure about the majority opinion in the west but these talks look bollocks to me. Hope people will get the correct information.
The scapegoating of young people is absolutely scandalous.
Interesting paper. They’ve done an amazing job with their testing in Iceland. Also worth noting they come up with an IFR of just 0.3%. That really is getting close to the “bad flu” mortality rate.
I was just being tongue in cheek about the above story. Of course it doesn’t help when things like that, or the 3000 people going to raves, hit the news.
But why does this tarring have to happen? (Not referring to you but the general consensus). Young people some of whom that have been working their butt off during the height of this pandemic are being pigeonholed because of a minority.
No other age group seems to suffer from this type of thing, to pluck random examples I didn't see it with people in their 30's once Ian Huntley made the news, or pensioners once the hideous nature of Jimmy Saville was exposed.
I’ve seen lots of reports stating that it is most likely younger people spreading the virus, due to the death rate dropping, but most people seem to be understanding of the reasons for that. It’s pretty common sense why, and that not every young person is out at big raves every weekend.
I think there will always be a section of people that need to put the blame onto a group of people though. Don’t take it personally if you’re young.
Seriously? Young people - as a group - are being mentioned in connection with the recent upsurge because young people - as a group - are getting infected more than other age groups. That’s just the reality we’re all facing. It’s not about scapegoats, it’s about facts.I'm not, but I'm a youth worker who's been trying to fight the narrative against young people for quite some time and we were finally getting somewhere in recent times but all that work has likely been undone now.