SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Pogue Mahone said:
With all the finger pointing going on about who’s to blame, maybe we just need to accept that this really is a seasonal virus? All the usual coughs and cold viruses die down in summer and surge in winter so it shouldn’t be a massive surprise if this does the same.

Perhaps the cooler weather means we’re pissing in the wind to try and crush this curve for the next 6 months no matter what we do?
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The worst hit place in Europe now is Madrid and it hasn't exactly been cold there for the past 2 weeks.

It may be seasonal or not. But nothing that has been going on in Europe for the past month is evidence of that.
 
The South Wales lockdown cases have been pretty much pinpointed to rugby clubs, pubs, snooker halls and a coach trip to the races.

All avoidable.
 
massi83 said:
Odd. We have over 1m in Google store. I would think it is quite useful, if at least 20% download it (40% now for Finland). Your numbers are not enough to make a difference unfortunately. It has been marketed rather well here.
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Yeah that's the thing. It's basically pointless at this point.
I just saw it mentioned that places might soon have installation of the app as a requirement to enter.
 
massi83 said:
The worst hit place in Europe now is Madrid and it hasn't exactly been cold there for the past 2 weeks.

It may be seasonal or not. But nothing that has been going on in Europe for the past month is evidence of that.
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To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
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Maybe, sounds like pure speculation to me. Obviously I can't offer proof to the contrary either.
 
redshaw said:
UK 4322 cases and 27 deaths.
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yep big jump along with the announcement of the increase in R rate. I expect is to be in the 7-10k by next week and for more strict measures to be back in place, albeit not a full lockdown
 
Pogue Mahone said:
To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
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Didn’t India have disproportionate amount of deaths during Spanish flu? It’s always bloody boiling in India. Although I’m out of my depth trying to work this out.
 
golden_blunder said:
Any update fella?
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Loads better. Treating for viral induced asthma and a suspected UTI. On a drip through the night as she was dehydrated. They just want to ensure she can last 4 hours between inhalers before discharge.

I've insisted on a covid test, as I'm front line NHS and won't be able to return to work for 14 days if she can't get a test. They told me that they can't do one, and have been given two different reasons why: don't have test available and she doesn't meet their criteria to be tested (inpatient criteria is currently different to the "get tested if you have a cough, high temp or loss of taste" message that we are receiving)

My wife is now bed ridden with the same symptoms, and we still can't get a test for her either.

Second child is back to normal, I have a sore throat but otherwise feel OK. So I really don't know. Possibly another seasonal virus that has triggered similar symptoms - but on a selfish pov, being unsure doesn't do me or my work any good.
 
Genuine question - me being a selfish bastard I can work from home and I hate going out unless it's on nature walks anyway - but at one point will the majority of people say "feck it" and just stop locking down altogether? Before the end of this second wave or the beginning of the inevitable third?

Are we just doomed to be forced to live with this virus for the rest of our lives? Once the vaccine comes out will be just buy Beecham's Cold, Flu and Covid-19 tablets whenever we're at the checkout at Asda? Just calling in to our work and saying "I've woken up with a touch of the Covid, but once I'm over the worst I'll be back into work."?

It's amazing how we can normalise such crazy things if the right people tell us that it's alright. Austerity, means testing, Freddos costing 50p etc.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Genuine question - me being a selfish bastard I can work from home and I hate going out unless it's on nature walks anyway - but at one point will the majority of people say "feck it" and just stop locking down altogether? Before the end of this second wave or the beginning of the inevitable third?

Are we just doomed to be forced to live with this virus for the rest of our lives? Once the vaccine comes out will be just buy Beecham's Cold, Flu and Covid-19 tablets whenever we're at the checkout at Asda? Just calling in to our work and saying "I've woken up with a touch of the Covid, but once I'm over the worst I'll be back into work."?

It's amazing how we can normalise such crazy things if the right people tell us that it's alright. Austerity, means testing, Freddos costing 50p etc.
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It probably will eventually become the new normal. I’m not a virologist. Obviously. But I heard the virus becomes less virulent in order to pass on to new host as stronger strains get killed off with the victim. We’ll also build some herd immunity and by that time it will probably be normal to catch a dose of COVID and just to crack on with it as you kind of do with flu. That’s my extremely uneducated guess.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
To the best of my knowledge, the seasonality of the usual respiratory viruses persists across Europe. So Madrid would be getting some sort of surge now anyway. Not cold, compared to most of Europe, but maybe all that matter is the drop in temperature from the summer, rather than absolute temperatures? Or maybe it’s hours of sunlight every that matters most? Feck knows but seasonality is definitely a thing.
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Wouldn't that kinda suggest people's immune system is dependent on the relative temperature where they live? If that makes sense.
 
Been taking Vitamin D tablets with my elderly Mum since April - dunno if it will do any good but don't think there is anything to lose by it.
 
Lynty said:
Loads better. Treating for viral induced asthma and a suspected UTI. On a drip through the night as she was dehydrated. They just want to ensure she can last 4 hours between inhalers before discharge.

I've insisted on a covid test, as I'm front line NHS and won't be able to return to work for 14 days if she can't get a test. They told me that they can't do one, and have been given two different reasons why: don't have test available and she doesn't meet their criteria to be tested (inpatient criteria is currently different to the "get tested if you have a cough, high temp or loss of taste" message that we are receiving)

My wife is now bed ridden with the same symptoms, and we still can't get a test for her either.

Second child is back to normal, I have a sore throat but otherwise feel OK. So I really don't know. Possibly another seasonal virus that has triggered similar symptoms - but on a selfish pov, being unsure doesn't do me or my work any good.
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So glad to hear your daughter is on the mend, I don’t know you but was worried for you.
Frustrating is not a strong enough word for the testing stuff that you’re experiencing
 
Didn’t Boris say he expected some sense of normalcy by Christmas? Now it’s all: second wave was always inevitable. :wenger:
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Genuine question - me being a selfish bastard I can work from home and I hate going out unless it's on nature walks anyway - but at one point will the majority of people say "feck it" and just stop locking down altogether? Before the end of this second wave or the beginning of the inevitable third?

Are we just doomed to be forced to live with this virus for the rest of our lives? Once the vaccine comes out will be just buy Beecham's Cold, Flu and Covid-19 tablets whenever we're at the checkout at Asda? Just calling in to our work and saying "I've woken up with a touch of the Covid, but once I'm over the worst I'll be back into work."?

It's amazing how we can normalise such crazy things if the right people tell us that it's alright. Austerity, means testing, Freddos costing 50p etc.
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It will never be normalized. You can't scare a significant portion of the nation into thinking trying to rebuild something of a normal life for themselves is a new version of Russian roulette only to then say it's all normal now we can coexist with this thing. Some people are so scared they genuinely wanted full lockdown until a vaccine.

If a vaccine doesn't come or isn't fully effective there will be many people who won't do anything beyond exist ever again, even if Covid becomes a very low issue.
 
What really got to me was Abdulnap Nurmagamedov dying of this virus. An athlete all his life from the caucasus mountains where people are typically healthier than your average person. Didn’t drink or smoke. Still died.
 
Those figures are significant enough to be shared here. Today's report in France: 13215 new cases; 154 deaths.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
What really got to me was Abdulnap Nurmagamedov dying of this virus. An athlete all his life from the caucasus mountains where people are typically healthier than your average person. Didn’t drink or smoke. Still died.
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He died of a stroke off the back of a heart attack? I think he was hospitalised with the virus, but it ultimately wasn't the thing that killed him.
 
F-Red said:
He died of a stroke off the back of a heart attack? I think he was hospitalised with the virus, but it ultimately wasn't the thing that killed him.
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I thought it was COVID which led to organ failure and subsequent death?

Khabib later revealed that his father was suffering from heart complications related to the coronavirus and that he had over 20 relatives who had also been infected.
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The Cat said:
Been taking Vitamin D tablets with my elderly Mum since April - dunno if it will do any good but don't think there is anything to lose by it.
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COVID or no COVID, if you live in Britain (particularly during the winter months), plenty of people would benefit from Vitamin D supplements.

Like you say, nothing to lose.
 
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