Get Mauricio In

I want him to be the next manager but just wish it was a proper football person appointing him and not the bloody Woodpecker
 
Along with confusing and continually changing tactics Olly does'nt seem to be able to command the resoect from.the players or posses the motivational skills to keep then possitive and focussed?

Which begs the question why Poch was sacked by Spurs?
 
Let's assume Ole is gone in the morning. Who would Woodward appoint? Poch? Nagelsmann? Allegri? Zidane? What if the new manager finds that the current players do not suit their style? Bring more players in and we struggle to ship out the deadwoods? Or worse. What if these prima Donnas down tools again and throw the new manager under the bus?

I feel before we bring in another manager, it is imperative that we setup a structure, starting with a Director of Football. Ralf Rangnick perhaps to begin with? Then we could think about bringing in another manager. Otherwise managers will come and go every 2 years and we will be like hitting the reset button everytime. We will probably not win anything at this rate, even after 30 years.
 
We keep on changing managers for the last 7 years. I acknowledge most of them were absolutely terrible choices. But, any manager that will come, will have to live with the reality of Ed Woodward and Glazers. Unless our next coach is Sir Alex at his prime, I am not expecting miracles. We are a terribly run football club. Talk about Ole as much as you want. Considering his CV, you might argue he even overachieved last season. Underachiever in this club is the one that appoints managers for the last 7 years. He has to go first.

I am not expecting Poch to come soon, simply because Woodward said "we are fully behind Ole" during the last investor's call. He is so sensitive about his image that he won't sack Ole just a month after that. In the meantime, Zidane will probably get sacked, Poch will be Madrid's manager and we will again appoint the wrong guy when eventually Ole gets the sack.
 
Fantastic thread, fits nicely next to all the other Ole and Poch threads.
 
Reeults in games like this won't change under Pochettino and he has a fecking shambolic record in big games too so we'll be worse off.

Plus we won't be reaching later rounds of cups.

And he's shit at transfers.


And says he doesn't need to win trophies, what kind of attitude is that?
Horsepoop. At least do some research before you spot nonsense
 
I understand why people are Ole out, but is potch really the answer?

What has he achieved in management?

Go and have a look at Spurs when he took over. Shite squad, only ever qualified for the CL once before he arrived.

Built a quality squad with zero budget up against City, United and Chelsea who we’re spending between 400-500m each and regularly challenged within the top 4.
 
I see his first name was used in the title to disguise the thread as a different topic.

Bravo.
 
What happened to the "FFS" in the thread title?

Anyway, he's kind of a boring choice. Surely an upgrade though. And at least having a new manager would bring some hope and excitement for a while. My personal preference would be a possession-based coach like Tuchel (Pep was the dream that is no longer possible), but don't know if we have the players for that. Some of our best players - Rash, Bruno, Pogba etc. - aren't exactly suited to a possession game.
 
Let's assume Ole is gone in the morning. Who would Woodward appoint? Poch? Nagelsmann? Allegri? Zidane? What if the new manager finds that the current players do not suit their style? Bring more players in and we struggle to ship out the deadwoods? Or worse. What if these prima Donnas down tools again and throw the new manager under the bus?

I feel before we bring in another manager, it is imperative that we setup a structure, starting with a Director of Football. Ralf Rangnick perhaps to begin with? Then we could think about bringing in another manager. Otherwise managers will come and go every 2 years and we will be like hitting the reset button everytime. We will probably not win anything at this rate, even after 30 years.

We absolutely need to get the structure right and have a coherent transfer strategy based on excellent data analytics overseen by a quality DOF. Decisions on the manager should come after that.

Unfortunately, for all the DOF guff from Woodward, there is no appetite at the club to bring in football people at that level who know that they are doing.

As others have said Poch doesn't have the best track record on bringing players in and maybe with more money he would make the right choices but with the current set up you just get the impression any manager is being set up to be hamstrung and will under-achieve.
 
Pochettino is a good manager and he’s available.
 
Start a petition. If it gets to 100,000 signatures surely the club will have to discuss it?
 
Can we not for once take a manager from a club doing well rather than one because he was available at the time because no one wants them.
Spot on.

Moyes

VG

Jose

Ole

Now Poch.

We seem to always go for the cheap option. Then spending years wonder why we got crap.
 
If we decide to get rid of Ole I'd probably prefer a temporary solution until the end of season and then assess available options. Pochettino would be a long term solution but not a good enough one.
 
Not a fecking clue.

If the board won’t back the manager then I really don’t know how we’re supposed to improve. What happened in the summer was exactly what happened to Jose the summer before he was sacked. Manager identified the targets and the board failed to get them, the season started off poorly and the manager was replaced. We’ve been stuck in the same place since SAF retired.

I‘ve seen progress under Ole in scouting and in parts when we’re really good but we’re shit against the low block and I don’t know if Ole knows how to fix it.
This back the manager whats the answer then spend 100s of millions on players till they get it right or expect the manager to coach and develop the players he has already bought in alongside the players there. Every player he has bought so far looks worse than when they joined. That can't be coincidence
 
If we decide to get rid of Ole I'd probably prefer a temporary solution until the end of season and then assess available options. Pochettino would be a long term solution but not a good enough one.
Last time we did that we got stuck with temporary solution
 
Poch would be ideal for the glazers as he consistently got spurs top 4 and that's their minimum ask. If he achieved that he would be here for the next decade at least. Personally I would love them to try hasenhuttl
 
Could Allegri be the option everybody is forgetting? He´s a manager that won 5 league titles in a row with Juve and before that once with Milan. Italian style training and discipline plus Allegri being a manager of the highest order having WON league titles surely is a sign of a better bet as the next Man Utd manager. Leaving all talks of tactis aside this team has under any manager since Fergie lacked the basic fitness, workrate and speed needed for a top football club. The stats do not lie and it´s obvious to all but a blind man to see that players like Maguire,Matic,Mata and Pogba play at the same speed of thought and movement as old blokes playing Sunday pub football. The game yesterday was an embarrassment of the highest order and OGS is done as he was in hindsight never good enough for the job despite being a legend and a truly good human being...the fact is that he´s not good enough as a Manager
 
If Julian Nagelsmann's job interview was part of that Leipzig game, rest assured he wouldn't be getting a follow-up call from Woodward.
It would be fecking stupid to decide suitability for the role based on one CL group game.
 
Was never the biggest fan of his football. I'd rather have a manager that hasn't failed at his last club
 
Is that a marker of future success?

Fergie aside, every manager has a shelf life at a club. It can all go to hell if you stay long enough.

Completely correct. More often than not, managers leave when things start to go wrong, its not often managers leave on the highest of high points.
 
Absolutely.

Anyway I double checked and here's the tale over his Spurs tenure.

2018/19
won 3-0 against United away
lost 2-1 against Liverpool at home
lost 1-0 against City at home
won 3-1 against Chelsea at home
lost 4-2 against Arsenal away
lost 1-0 against United at home
lost 2-0 against Chelsea away
drew 1-1 against Arsenal at home
lost 2-1 against Liverpool away
lost 1-0 against City away

W2 D1 L7

Out of FA Cup in 4th round
Out of League Cup in semi against Chelsea (beat Arsenal in Quarter)
CL Final (beat City in semi, lost against Barca at home, drew away in group stages)

2017/18
lost 2-1 against Chelsea away
won 4-1 against Liverpool at home
lost 1-0 against United away
lost 2-0 against Arsenal away
lost 4-1 against City away
won 2-0 against United at home
drew 2-2 against Liverpool away
won 1-0 against Arsenal at home
won 3-1 against Chelsea away
lost 3-1 against City at home

W4 D1 L5

Out of FA Cup in semi against United
Out of League Cup in 4th round
Out of CL in R16 against Juve (drew 1-1 against Real away, won 3-1 at home in group stages)

2016/17
drew 1-1 against Liverpool at home
won 2-0 against City at home
drew 1-1 against Arsenal away
lost 2-1 against Chelsea away
lost 1-0 against United away
won 2-0 against Chelsea at home
drew 2-2 against City away
lost 2-0 against Liverpool away
won 2-0 against Arsenal at home
won 2-1 against United at home

W4 D3 L3

Out of FA Cup in semi against Chelsea
Out of League Cup in 4th round against Liverpool
Out of CL in group stage, out of Europa in R32

2015/16
lost 1-0 against United away
won 4-1 against City at home
drew 0-0 against Liverpool at home
drew 1-1 against Arsenal away
drew 0-0 against Chelsea at home
won 2-1 against City away
drew 2-2 against Arsenal at home
drew 1-1 against Livepool away
won 3-0 against United at home
drew 2-2 against Chelsea away

W3 D6 L1

drew 1-1 against Leicester away
lost 1-0 against Leicester at home

Out of FA Cup in 5th round - beat Leicester in 3rd round replay
Out of League Cup in 3rd round
Out of Europa in R16

2014/15
lost 3-0 against Liverpool at home
drew 1-1 against Arsenal at home
lost 4-1 against City away
lost 3-0 against Chelsea away
drew 0-0 against United at home
won 5-3 against Chelsea at home
won 2-1 against Arsenal at home
lost 3-2 against Liverpool away
lost 3-0 against United away
lost 1-0 against City at home

W2 D2 L6

Out of FA Cup in 4th round
Lost LC Final against Chelsea
Out of Europa in R32

Actually better in cups than I remember. One good cup run a year but either a semi loss or a final loss (becase he hates to win trophies it seems). I remember the early cup exit was always a theme of his tenure, it almost became a meme and there's one of them a year.

Decent results against Barca and Real.

Distinctly average at best against domestic big teams, bad against Liverpool especially.

Fluked a CL run with a shock result against City over two legs and a fluke last minute winner against Ajax then fecked up the final.

in his best league season he came third in a two horse race, against Leicester.

Do. Not. Want.
What about his record vs the shit teams (the teams we tend to find it hard to play against, we're generally good vs the top teams anyway)?
 
He'll declare us winners of the Prem and demand that all other matches be suspended. It's worth a try.

To be fair, he would at least wait till we hit top of the table and then call it off. Stop the count.
 
Is that a marker of future success?

Fergie aside, every manager has a shelf life at a club. It can all go to hell if you stay long enough.

It's not no but I was never his biggest fan from the start and I'm not sure why so many here want him. There's plenty of other managers out there who play more attractive football
 
I shall nickname him Maurino = Mauricio Pochettino.

You're welcome.