SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Penna said:
I don't understand it, it's as if there are two parallel worlds. One of them is just going on as normal and the other one is following the rules and doing without things.

New Year is a time when so many people go over the top with the celebrations. It's the reason why we couldn't have holidays in September when I was a midwife.
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Thanks for the reply Penna! I'm feeling particularly bitter as covid is currently in my household, genuinely feeling really upset with my friends who should know better, who have key worker partners and kids. At the same time I feel like I'm being judgmental? Who am I to tell anyone how to spend their time, but I am very bitter. :lol:
 
Berbasbullet said:
Bunch of my mates back home all having a NYE house party tonight, really makes you wonder about your friends and who you have time for.
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Words cannot describe their selfishness. And I would say that even if they were my so called mates.
 
Tibs said:
It's horrific, but we will hit 100k deaths before the end of Jan.

I just hope that the Government go back into a March type lockdown, and it needs to be that strict for approx 6-8 weeks. Ramp up vaccine roll out to as quick as it can be with the supplies we have....and then, early March, we can hopefully start to see some real loosening of the rules.

This is the most concerned I've been since March...I'm not living in fear or anything, just the harsh reality of the situation
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Should have been done on 26th at the latest as you have said. Staggering incompetence. Also they should say that no-one should leave UK unless absolutely necessary for work. Travel bans in Europe should be as hard as possible for next 4-10 weeks. But we have learned nothing.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
January is going to be very very bad unfortunately. Can see 40k+ deaths in the UK in one month at this rate . I don't really know what exactly the government can do at this point
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Unfortunately, the UK government has lost its authority and most of the people have little or no confidence in them.
Even if they try to impose a total lockdown, it will not be fully complied with.
That is not an excuse, it is the way it is.
 
Buster15 said:
Unfortunately, the UK government has lost its authority and most of the people have little or no confidence in them.
Even if they try to impose a total lockdown, it will not be fully complied with.
That is not an excuse, it is the way it is.
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The only move that will substantially make is difference is full school closures imho. The difference between the first and second lockdowns was massive and the schools being open was it
 
T00lsh3d said:
The only move that will substantially make is difference is full school closures imho. The difference between the first and second lockdowns was massive and the schools being open was it
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Yes indeed.
 
T00lsh3d said:
The only move that will substantially make is difference is full school closures imho. The difference between the first and second lockdowns was massive and the schools being open was it
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It wasn't just schools though was it. During the first lockdown far fewer people were going to a physical place of work, be it because of childcare or because the second time around businesses were less likely to unquestionably allow working from home.

It is difficult with schools, yes they are a bit part of the issue, but we can't steal education from the next generation. That doesn't even cover the mental impact of not socialising with children of the same age. My daughter is 5 and also she is the life and soul at home we have noticed how nervous and shy she has become around others, much of that I put down to having almost a year without normal life.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
January is going to be very very bad unfortunately. Can see 40k+ deaths in the UK in one month at this rate . I don't really know what exactly the government can do at this point
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Everything that will impact January has been done now. The Christmas debacle was a massive error (another in a long line I might add), and only served to further encourage those who are a little fast and lose with the rules to be so even more.

I will also maintain that people should use their own common sense and see that we should be locking ourselves down but you saw with Brexit that common sense is in short supply.

I feel for the NHS, they have been betrayed but one thing that I never see mentioned but notice from a couple of people on my Instagram is the number of medical professionals (nurse in my two case examples) who both completely flout the rules themselves, always posting videos out socialising or tonight at a house party, mental!
 
My next door neighbour and his wife piled into his car with his daughter, son in law and grandson that came to stay with him in North Wales from Preston last week and went out a couple of hours ago dressed up, obviously going to a party . He is a 60 odd year old retired RAF flight instructor who you would think would have more respect for others and common sense but it is as if the whole familys` attitude is to have a good time whatever . The son in law and daughter drove past me today and avoided eye contact as they know they are breaking restrictions all over. My mother and father in law live about 200metres away and haven`t been out since March along with a lot of others in the village.
 
djembatheking said:
My next door neighbour and his wife piled into his car with his daughter, son in law and grandson that came to stay with him in North Wales from Preston last week and went out a couple of hours ago dressed up, obviously going to a party . He is a 60 odd year old retired RAF flight instructor who you would think would have more respect for others and common sense but it is as if the whole familys` attitude is to have a good time whatever . The son in law and daughter drove past me today and avoided eye contact as they know they are breaking restrictions all over. My mother and father in law live about 200metres away and haven`t been out since March along with a lot of others in the village.
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I've just read Preston's case figures and for last full 7 days available we had 47 fewer cases than the week before. Good news eh? Maybe it's because half of us have bogged off to Wales?

:( Sorry.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Thanks for the reply Penna! I'm feeling particularly bitter as covid is currently in my household, genuinely feeling really upset with my friends who should know better, who have key worker partners and kids. At the same time I feel like I'm being judgmental? Who am I to tell anyone how to spend their time, but I am very bitter. :lol:
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I absolutely understand when people break the rules for good reasons, like having someone in their family who's struggling and needs some support. I have a close friend who is in effect the primary carer for two elderly parents, one of whom is extremely frail and needs care around the clock. The other parent simply can't manage to do it all the time, she's in her 80s. However, my friend doesn't live near them, so she's been completely self-isolating (she lives alone), then driving to their house, staying for a while, doing all the care, coming back, rinse and repeat. The father hasn't left the house for nine months. My friend is exhausted.

Compare that with someone who just fancies going to a boozy party and couldn't care less about what the outcome of that might be, in terms of spreading infection. That makes me feel frustrated and really disappointed, because the longer this goes on, the longer other people will have to keep doing things that just aren't sustainable.
 
711 said:
I've just read Preston's case figures and for last full 7 days available we had 47 fewer cases than the week before. Good news eh? Maybe it's because half of us have bogged off to Wales?

:( Sorry.
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I am glad things are improving in Preston but the point I am making is the total disrespect to everyone else especially the NHS workers . Numbers in North Wales are quite good but we are starting to hear of more cases and it really doesn`t take a great deal to overwhelm our very limited NHS facilities. In normal circumstances any major injuries get sent to Stoke, Manchester or Liverpool .
 
lilcurt said:
It wasn't just schools though was it. During the first lockdown far fewer people were going to a physical place of work, be it because of childcare or because the second time around businesses were less likely to unquestionably allow working from home.

It is difficult with schools, yes they are a bit part of the issue, but we can't steal education from the next generation. That doesn't even cover the mental impact of not socialising with children of the same age. My daughter is 5 and also she is the life and soul at home we have noticed how nervous and shy she has become around others, much of that I put down to having almost a year without normal life.
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Schools are undoubtedly one of the main reasons it has spread - there is no way to sugar coat it. On average, when you think about the number of kids mixing in schools nationally, this will likely outweigh the number of people that (the second time around) will be required to go into office instead of working from home where they would have before. It's all about the balancing act and trying to ensure that kids do not suffer irreversible damage to their social and academic skills as a result of this. Unfortunately, a line will have to be drawn when cases and deaths get this high, and there is no choice but to look at shutting down schools when things get out of control.
 
lilcurt said:
It wasn't just schools though was it. During the first lockdown far fewer people were going to a physical place of work, be it because of childcare or because the second time around businesses were less likely to unquestionably allow working from home.

It is difficult with schools, yes they are a bit part of the issue, but we can't steal education from the next generation. That doesn't even cover the mental impact of not socialising with children of the same age. My daughter is 5 and also she is the life and soul at home we have noticed how nervous and shy she has become around others, much of that I put down to having almost a year without normal life.
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Closing the school or making them remote for a short period is not stealing the education away from a generation. It may, however, actually significantly contribute to saving lives. By the way I have a son and stepson in years 7 and 11 respectively so I fully appreciate your side of the argument.
 
djembatheking said:
My next door neighbour and his wife piled into his car with his daughter, son in law and grandson that came to stay with him in North Wales from Preston last week and went out a couple of hours ago dressed up, obviously going to a party . He is a 60 odd year old retired RAF flight instructor who you would think would have more respect for others and common sense but it is as if the whole familys` attitude is to have a good time whatever . The son in law and daughter drove past me today and avoided eye contact as they know they are breaking restrictions all over. My mother and father in law live about 200metres away and haven`t been out since March along with a lot of others in the village.
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I've read your posts about these selfish people. You should report them to the local police. It's not an isolated thing, they've done it over and over again. Maybe if a policeman came to the door and had a word with them, they'd realise that people have noticed.

Here's the link for people living in N. Wales.
https://beta.northwales.police.uk/t...s-about-possible-breach-coronavirus-measures/
 
T00lsh3d said:
Closing the school or making them remote for a short period is not stealing the education away from a generation. It may, however, actually significantly contribute to saving lives. By the way I have a son and stepson in years 7 and 11 respectively so I fully appreciate your side of the argument.
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I don't overly disagree mate, I just think at what point is the school closure enough. If they close for 2-weeks that's one thing. It's another completely to close them again for three-five months. An yes, while they are a problem, I only have to look on social media to see the lack of compliance everywhere making it somewhat of a mute point.
 
lilcurt said:
I don't overly disagree mate, I just think at what point is the school closure enough. If they close for 2-weeks that's one thing. It's another completely to close them again for three-five months. An yes, while they are a problem, I only have to look on social media to see the lack of compliance everywhere making it somewhat of a mute point.
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Social media have a tendency to over amplify sadly, but doesn't negate the evaluation of schools. My sister in law is an assistant head at a secondary school and she's in favour of a closure for a period of time, cases are rife in every year group. The safety of teaching staff is often overlooked in these discussions, which is a wider worry personally.
 
lilcurt said:
It wasn't just schools though was it. During the first lockdown far fewer people were going to a physical place of work, be it because of childcare or because the second time around businesses were less likely to unquestionably allow working from home.

It is difficult with schools, yes they are a bit part of the issue, but we can't steal education from the next generation. That doesn't even cover the mental impact of not socialising with children of the same age. My daughter is 5 and also she is the life and soul at home we have noticed how nervous and shy she has become around others, much of that I put down to having almost a year without normal life.
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Mine are 4 and 7

They need to be in school

But it was school that made the difference. As soon as should went back R was > than 1.0 and had been ever since.

And despite what some might say I don't believe for a second that the government understood the difference schools going back was going to make
 
Penna said:
I've read your posts about these selfish people. You should report them to the local police. It's not an isolated thing, they've done it over and over again. Maybe if a policeman came to the door and had a word with them, they'd realise that people have noticed.

Here's the link for people living in N. Wales.
https://beta.northwales.police.uk/t...s-about-possible-breach-coronavirus-measures/
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Thanks for that Penna but the police round here aren`t following up on minor issues , only seem to be interested in large parties . An old guy I used to work for reported a family staying in a holiday home near his house and the police phoned him and said they could only do something if they caught them arriving. It is no wonder it keeps happening.
 
djembatheking said:
Thanks for that Penna but the police round here aren`t following up on minor issues , only seem to be interested in large parties . An old guy I used to work for reported a family staying in a holiday home near his house and the police phoned him and said they could only do something if they caught them arriving. It is no wonder it keeps happening.
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What a weird response
 
The most populated county in South Carolina just posted a 46.7% positive test rate.

The school district that serves that county announced today that it’s going back to school on January 4th at as scheduled. Elementary and Middle schools at 100% capacity, high schools at 50% and moving to 75% in 2 weeks.


 
rcoobc said:
Mine are 4 and 7

They need to be in school

But it was school that made the difference. As soon as should went back R was > than 1.0 and had been ever since.

And despite what some might say I don't believe for a second that the government understood the difference schools going back was going to make
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I don't think that was just about schools though. A whole bunch of things happened in September. Colleges going back. People returning to offices. Gyms and (in most of the country) pubs and restaurants not only open but with must customers heading back indoors. Cinemas and theatres etc were operating. Other things were getting going again - places of worship, some face to face support groups, and parent/baby groups etc.

A lot of changes compared to the original closures that happened more or less at once - or that moved indoors, or gained popularity as people saw schools open etc and read it as "getting back to normal".

I don't think the government underestimated schools as such. They even said it would mean that something else might have to close (and then closed nothing)

I think they underestimated the weather and ignored just how difficult it is to keep bars, schools, workplaces simultaneously warm and well ventilated.

I think they also underestimated the message of "business as usual" that the schools and colleges etc reopening sends. Plus, if people rely on friends/family to pick up the kids after school then almost inevitably they'll start to sit and drinpk coffee together, or have a meal together or whatever - the fences come down and are hard to put back. Especially once the weather deteriorates.
 
jojojo said:
I don't think that was just about schools though. A whole bunch of things happened in September. Colleges going back. People returning to offices. Gyms and (in most of the country) pubs and restaurants not only open but with must customers heading back indoors. Cinemas and theatres etc were operating. Other things were getting going again - places of worship, some face to face support groups, and parent/baby groups etc.
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For the most part they'd been reopened from July, which was almost 1.5 - 2 months before September. The main things which can be pinpointed as new to September were schools and universities reopening. The latter would have probably had a big effect too, but at least a lot of learning has been taken online.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
in all seriousness, perhaps the police have better things to do than go and see a family with 2.4 children at a holiday cottage.

not saying it’s acceptable, but the police have limited resources, which can be spent elsewhere.
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In theory crime should be down massively with everyone staying in their homes and people not socialising. That's probably not going to be the case at all which will be the issue for the police.

I guess home calls are higher than usual.
 
F-Red said:
Is this your terrorism point from yesterday?
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Just learned about this a couple of hours ago.

Didn’t expect a medical professional to be the one to be engaged in acts of lunacy such as this. I expected such acts from right wing nut jobs, although there’s a good possibility that the pharmacist fits into that category & shirked off his duties as a medical professional & engaged in an act like this that could be considered terroristic.
 
calodo2003 said:
Just learned about this a couple of hours ago.

Didn’t expect a medical professional to be the one to be engaged in acts of lunacy such as this. I expected such acts from right wing nut jobs, although there’s a good possibility that the pharmacist fits into that category & shirked off his duties as a medical professional & engaged in an act like this that could be considered terroristic.
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I jest, however it doesn't surprise me in America.
 
djembatheking said:
Yep, that is why people ignore restrictions .
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The whole point of the restrictions is that it's not just about preventing big parties or raves - everyone is a potential virus spreader, so what single families or individuals choose to do is also important.

If the police won't act on repeated and blatant rule-flouting, there's no point having any penalties at all. The police force is in a parlous state in the UK if it's so under-staffed.
 
Penna said:
The whole point of the restrictions is that it's not just about preventing big parties or raves - everyone is a potential virus spreader, so what single families or individuals choose to do is also important.

If the police won't act on repeated and blatant rule-flouting, there's no point having any penalties at all. The police force is in a parlous state in the UK if it's so under-staffed.
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Happy New Year Penna. Yes, understaffed police and selfish people . Neighbours have all just piled out of the car after last night's party.
 
Balljy said:
In theory crime should be down massively with everyone staying in their homes and people not socialising. That's probably not going to be the case at all which will be the issue for the police.

I guess home calls are higher than usual.
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Yeah police get called to deal with domestics all the time.
 
To be honest there's no way police can oversee every family and residence. Like many other laws, these restrictions rely on people's self-discipline and morality. Unfortunately, many lack the knowledge and awareness in this pandemic. The lack of appropriate guidance from a credible international organization and fake news do not do any favor at all.
 
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Anyone find it mildly irritating how on social media people are making out that the virus is magically going to decide to go away when the calendar changed to 2021? Saying they're so happy 2020 is gone, celebrating now etc. We've still got a long way to go considering we're hitting the peak of another wave just now.
 
Penna said:
Happy New Year to you too, and I hope this year is good to you. x
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Thanks Penna, same to you, I just hope the elderly more vulnerable can get a bit of protection as seeing my in laws stuck at home since March is horrible.
 
So Imperial have revised their estimates on the increased transmissibility of the new strain, but doubled down on the conclusion that it is the strain itself that is more transmissible. No more headlines of “increases R rate by 0.9” but they still think it falls within the 0.4 to 0.7 range. Which is a pretty serious concern.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....covid-19-variant-growing-rapidly-england/amp/
 
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