Westminster Politics

Sweet Square said:
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Imagine my surprise.

The Government and arms of its governing power such as the Police are comfortable lying to our face repeatedly - the media will plaster those lies on tabloids & media, to skew & curate the national opinion in its favour. Then they'll turn around and issue an apology for lying & twisting the truth in small print on page 34 bottom right two weeks after the fact, while a fresh set of lies current cover the front page.
It's a shambles and we're doomed to suffer in its cyclicality because the British public quite simply don't care enough - as a whole we will just gasp in shock while we sleepwalk into authoritarian power.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
I for one, am shocked.
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Why?
Do you believe everything that the police say. Because I most certainly don't.
We are in a position in this country that from the government down, telling the truth is regarded as an inconvenience and an optional extra.
Lying is so much easier.
 
Turns out the punctured lung claim was also bollocks

Avon and Somerset police have retracted widely reported claims that officers suffered broken bones and a punctured lung during attempts to disperse a protest on Sunday night.

There was widespread outrage when the force made the claims in a press release on Monday that “a total of 20 officers were assaulted or injured and two of them were taken to hospital after suffering broken bones. One of them also suffered a punctured lung,” the force had said.

But in an updated press release published on Wednesday, the force clarified this was not true, saying: “Thankfully, following a full medical assessment of the two officers taken to hospital, neither were found to have suffered confirmed broken bones.” Around the same time, a BBC reporter said on Twitter that Andy Marsh, the head of the Avon force, had admitted in a press conference that no officer had suffered a punctured lung. However the force has since updated the number of injuries suffered by police officers to 40.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...cers-suffered-broken-bones-at-bristol-protest
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It's almost as if there was some kind of draconian bill passed that required spin to provide maximum retrospective justification.
 
TheReligion said:
As in do I think that there was a big conspiracy behind it? Not sure what you mean.
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I genuinely don't mean this as gotcha type lolz you got wrong thing(I'm pretty much wrong all the time on here). It's more that you and some other posters didn't question the original statement when it was first released and took it as stated fact. Has you're trust in these types of statements changed ?
 
TheReligion said:
Can I help you?

Yes it's poor from A&S for releasing details of what they portrayed as confirmed injuries. Pretty basic stuff to be honest.
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I was talking about Tories so okay. Considering this is the politics thread and also because I've had to excuse my comments to you and point out that a lot of my relatives are coppers before since you take every criticism directed towards the police as a personal insult.

Some coppers are arseholes. Some non coppers are arseholes. The only ones who aren't assholes are you and me. Never forget that.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
No-one is suggesting a big conspiracy are they?
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I don't know. That's why I asked?

Sweet Square said:
I genuinely don't mean this as gotcha type lolz you got wrong thing(I'm pretty much wrong all the time on here). It's more that you and some other posters didn't question the original statement when it was first released and took it as stated fact. Has you're trust in these types of statements changed ?
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I think when you get a press release of that nature you're going to find the majority of people will take it as fact (because it should be).

With regards to my trust in the future yes it has changed a little.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
I was talking about Tories so okay. Considering this is the politics thread and also because I've had to excuse my comments to you and point out that a lot of my relatives are coppers before since you take every criticism directed towards the police as a personal insult.

Some coppers are arseholes. Some non coppers are arseholes. The only ones who aren't assholes are you and me. Never forget that.
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I don't take anything as a personal insult so don't worry. If I did I wouldn't bother posting. @Sweet Square quoted us together so assumed you were referring to me. No bother.
 
TheReligion said:
I think when you get a press release of that nature you're going to find the majority of people will take it as fact (because it should be).

With regards to my trust in the future yes it has changed a little.
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Cheers.
 
11101 said:
It's a non story but i have always wondered why we seem so reluctant to display the Union Jack. In France or Italy or Switzerland you'll see their flags on anything remotely official, and Americans will put a flagpole up on just about any flat surface they can find.
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Italians display their flag more than the UK. I see them everywhere and they are very proud of their history. I'm not a fan of displays of patriotism for effect, but getting wound up about official offices of Her Majesty's Government flying the flag and having portraits of the head of state on display seem daft to me.

Some people just like to have a moan and that's up to them.
 
Grinner said:
Italians display their flag more than the UK. I see them everywhere and they are very proud of their history. I'm not a fan of displays of patriotism for effect, but getting wound up about official offices of Her Majesty's Government flying the flag and having portraits of the head of state on display seem daft to me.

Some people just like to have a moan and that's up to them.
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It’s because this new flag fetishism represents a shift towards cynical populism in the post-Brexit era. We used to be better than that. And, unlike the French or Swiss flag mentioned by @11101 , the union flag is not an automatically unifying symbol, particularly in N Ireland but also in Scotland.
 
MoskvaRed said:
It’s because this new flag fetishism represents a shift towards cynical populism in the post-Brexit era. We used to be better than that. And, unlike the French or Swiss flag mentioned by @11101 , the union flag is not an automatically unifying symbol, particularly in N Ireland but also in Scotland.
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Again, flying it on official buildings isn't really outrageous, is it?
 
Grinner said:
Again, flying it on official buildings isn't really outrageous, is it?
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No. But it could just be done without needing to release a big thing about it all over the press. We all know why it’s being done at this point, similarly to why there’s suddenly flags in every politicians house.

I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone complain that we didn’t have flags on enough government buildings.
 
MoskvaRed said:
No, but why now? What’s changed? We seem to have managed quite well without flags flying everywhere.
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It woz that eu wonnit they banned our flag innit ... now we can fly our flagz wivout those bloody frogs n krauts getting all upset that we did em in the war... n now we can make Britain Great again innit ...EN...GER...LAND....summat summat muslamic ray guns
 
sun_tzu said:
It woz that eu wonnit they banned our flag innit ... now we can fly our flagz wivout those bloody frogs n krauts getting all upset that we did em in the war... n now we can make Britain Great again innit ...EN...GER...LAND....summat summat muslamic ray guns
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You’ve nailed it. In fact I am going to get a flag myself for next time I am on a video conf. Maybe with a cardboard cut out of Her Maj
 
Grinner said:
I'd say the twits who rioted did more to show that the bill is justified than some misleading press release from the rozzers.
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I'd normally agree but the bill wasn't designed for rioting and such. That's already illegal. It was to tackle peaceful protests that cause a nuisance.
 
MoskvaRed said:
No, but why now? What’s changed? We seem to have managed quite well without flags flying everywhere.
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Honestly I though Britain already did it. It's hardly going to be everywhere, is it? At least you'll be sure that you're at the correct place if you're looking for a government office since nobody else really flies the flag. I'll walk down a street here in Florence and see lots of Italian flags on homes and shops and official buildings. You barely see any in Britain so I don't see why people are getting salty about it. If you're getting annoyed by a flag on a building then I think you're a bit sad really.

Now if Britain goes like the US and you see flags and overt patriotism everywhere then I'll be moaning too.
 
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