This isn’t just 20 people at carrington or 2000 people at OT. This is nationwide now. It’s coming from all angles. Let the fans vent their frustrations at their clubs. If the fans of the 6 clubs stick together and cause enough unrest then who knows what the government will decide to do.
A Friendly Thread For Protesting Fans
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This isn’t just 20 people at carrington or 2000 people at OT. This is nationwide now. It’s coming from all angles. Let the fans vent their frustrations at their clubs. If the fans of the 6 clubs stick together and cause enough unrest then who knows what the government will decide to do.
Because they will get booted out the same way?
As for the requests, I think they gravitate towards:
1. Do not take money out of the club
2. Invest in infrastructure in and around OT
3. Don't let bean counters to decide football matters.
If you are going to say that every club is bought to create profit, that is distinctly not true. Even disregarding the supporters owned club, a successful self sufficient club can be an asset in itself, that can increase in value, without the need to extract dividends. You can buy a property in a prime location, and you don't need to let it. Same way, you buy amazon shares because you expect them to increase in price, and they don't pay out dividend.
A club of such size can be a tremendous PR opportunity as well. That is why the Saudis want to buy us. But that of course is not limited to nation states.
Bezos is a businessman, I think he is very likely he would not be any better than the Glazers or maybe even worse making us a giant advertisement platform, potentially renaming the stadium etc to drive profits for his other businesses, and maybe even take money from United on top of that. Unless you are a hardcore United fan and happen to have $3b you don't need, nothing is gonna change with the new owners. I would want them to feck off and just pray we get someone better but reality is that there is a 50% chance we will get somebody worse.
I know. It literally took a few posts and here we are again
So spend 3 billion minimum and take no money out of the club.
“reasonable” you say?
You want a billionaire to come and buy the club for pure altruistic reasons, wow.
So the other option then is someone like the Saudis, do you think that’s a better option than Glazers?
Last post of the day for me
You make a good point, I think the club runs itself money wise, if we hadn't been paying interest every year, thats 40 or 50 million a season there would be plenty money in the bank,
Owners will always pay themselves,
Would love 1 rich person to team up with fans to buy it,
Super league is dead - aren’t the 6 clubs all protesting different things? Specific people out of their own clubs?
Wasn't directed at you. Genuine question. Bit hyper sensitive?
No they wouldn’t walk away many would lap it up and that’s what I think would happen if the Saudis took over too which I wouldn’t want but would probably still support them.
Your points are fair ones everyone would like a fan owned club or even a perfect owner but it’s not possible.
You can’t say you haven’t been happy with the upsurge in City’s success though and the entertainment over the past how many years.
'Let's start a thread to stop the infighting and gather some momentum towards positive change'
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Page One: 95% infighting
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Page One: 95% infighting
Stop being so negative, don't you know that 20 bods with a spray-painted sheet is exactly what we should be doing and will get rid of the Glazers?
Nevermind that whoever replaces them could be multitudes worse, at least we've got rid of the blood-sucking Yanks.
Worth signing up for this if anyone hasn’t already, only takes a minute to do.
EDIT: reclaimourgame.com is the site for it I think.
Appeared directly after one of my posts and didn't specify.
It's called debate.
It's fecking helpful. If you don't like it, FaceTime yourself.
How can someone in Ireland/Northern Ireland or nearby in Europe contribute to this? My guess is mostly online
The GlazersOut movement on Twitter is doing well, I'd suggest anyone who can to contribute to it to do so.
You can do things like
The GlazersOut movement on Twitter is doing well, I'd suggest anyone who can to contribute to it to do so.
You can do things like
- Respond to official united tweets with a piece of text and then #GlazersOut. Using a hashtag on it's own isn't great for awareness
- Respond to football journalists tweets with a piece of text and then #GlazersOut.
- Complain to United's sponsors (Adidas, Chevrolet, Chival Regas etc), as replies in tweets.
- Don't get into argument about ole-in/ole-out, it just distracts from the main goal of getting the Glazers out
- Follow GlazerOut accounts - I'm sure we'll have a few "ring leaders" who'll be able to co-ordinate it as the movement grows.
ha ha, there's plenty of stuff the government and FA can do regarding how much debt can be taken on, size of dividends, maximum expenditure, fan voting rights, etc even without forcing 50+1.
Those things are far more important before any new pie in the sky owner comes in and can just run the club how they see fit.
A lot of that is just noise (either unintentional or deliberate deflection). Just ignore either with or without button. You will find it works well.
And if they respond by putting us up for sale and sell to the Saudis for 3bn, victory?
Compain to the fecking FA and government for heaven's sake.
@Regulus Arcturus Black sign up to reclaim your game mate and spread it around, best thing I’ve found regarding government reform.
Why are you like that? It does not need to be a natural person that buys the club. Corporations need PR as well.
As for:
Yes . Again why people buy properties for 10s of millions and barely live there? Why people/corp/ banks invest billions into stocks that don't pay dividend? Because they expect them to increase in value over time.
Exactly the same with a football club, which:
1. Has a huge fan base
2. Has not been seen the highest success for a while
That means there is potential to grow. If that club starts winning trophies the brand value starts to increase as well.
Hope that helps.
The twerking for the Saudi's makes me sick. Yeah lets get rid of the Glazers so we can be owned by murderers and be used for state propaganda.
Totally agree, but that's apparently not doing enough to get rid of those nasty Glazers. That's all that matters to some. Doesn't matter who comes in as long as they've gone.
Unfortunately, if they are successfl in getting rid of the Glazers, I can see us going through all this again with the new owners because the PL/FA rules haven't been changed beforehand.
I get what you’re saying but ultimately protests are about amplification, optics and impact. The hope is that these small protests (even while appealing to the wrong target audience) will eventually lead to a general shift in perception and mindset at macro policy and legislative levels.
We need comprehensive structural change to the values that underpin football club ownership and commercialisation.
I was already going to vote for him. Now I'll vote for him extra hard.
Ah, right? You like the Glazers? What they have done for the club? Let me sit down and hear you out? How great are they, really?
it'll be Liverpool's.The Glazer' are onto a good thing at United. They'll unleash their PR team on the Caf and other places, who then tell us how great they are for the club and look at all the money the club has been allowed to spend on transfers and how they've miraculously increased revenues through their expertise. Seen it all before and so it shall continue. Hoping for things to get better, wishing for exciting football and maybe a few trophies along the way. While the stadium degrades and the leaches rightly take their blood from their franchise.
Better than the Saudis, possibly better than any new owner.
No - can't be. It must be Henry at L'pool
So you want us to be bought by a PE for 3bn quid (51%), and despite that 51% ownership they also agree to pay out no dividends to their investors in the hope that in 10 years they can flog us for massive profit to???????
Yeah they're fecking fantastic like I just said.
This is more like it.
Didn't think so. PeaceYeah they're fecking fantastic like I just said.
50+1 will never happen under Tory government unfortunately.
Don't think it will happen under any government, it's just not workable nowadays. Possibly could have been done when the PL was set up, but would have been difficult even then.
It's strategic. Well known deflection technique
Has Mansour make too many mistakes before that you don't even want to give him 2nd chance? Be careful what you wish for mate. He invested a lot for your club, Glazers don't invest a penny.
That's really good, seems to me. If all the threads had a unifying element, a logo or something? Peace pipe?
I'm sorry for questioning who the magical owner in waiting is. Reality is unless government change football ownership (never happen under Tories) we would bought by the Saudis who would use the club as a propaganda machine or maybe a slightly better version of the Glazers. How many rich billionaires are out there that wouldn't want to milk Manchester United?Didn't think so. Peace
I totally agree we need to complain to the government, but we're not going to get traction unless there's enough pressure on the owners.
It can be part of any campaign, but you need to get numbers early while it's fresh in people's thoughts.
Also, how do I as someone in Ireland complain to another government? I'm not a UK citizen, but love this club just as much as the next person and want to contribute.
We could start a UK gov petition once we've got an active campaign to pull in numbers?