F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
Excellent response, in reality I had no doubt they would post something, I am putting the out burst and tweet down to heat of the moment.
And also the team owner saying Hamilton should be banned from the next race. Ridiculous group of entitled idiots.
Given the fact that Hamilton has been involved in more collisions than Verstappen in the last 2 years, your claim is truly baseless.
All this talk about what a dirty driver Verstappen is, and yet Hamilton is the one collecting penalties and penalty points. Amazing cognitive dissonance.
Leclerc continues to show is one of the best drivers in F1. Hamilton very fortunate to KO his rival and come away with 33 points. Good drive from him though.
Why 2 years? And where are you getting your collision stats from? Can you share.
Looking here at retirements, so not exclusively collisions, Max is at 21.7%, Lewis is 9%.
https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-drivers/max-verstappen-information-statistics/
This really should be the end of all this debate. Everyone here has an opinion, most with bias and all of us have not raced close to this level. Two current drivers one ex double champion and one future one both said racing incident.
I am talking about penalty points.
Verstappen has been on 0 for the last 2 years now.
Hamilton, in the meantime, has collected 12 penalty points. He has 4 right now and about 8 have expired in the last few months.
Collision stats don’t mean anything. They don’t tell you which driver was at fault, nor do they count collisions that did not result in retirement.
What total rubbish. Spanish GP turn 1:
Max takes that turn at a speed where he cannot hold his line, he runs wide and Lewis backs out to avoid the crash. If the positions were reversed there there's another shunt. I'm not saying that should have been a penalty, I'm saying Max is famous for his aggression in both attack and defense, this time is came back and bit him and and now he's complaining.
Missed Apex said this best: this was a crash both drivers consented to.
Yeah and it's gonna negatively impact Max in the long run, he's gonna get more and more spoiled and entitled which won't serve him well in title challenges.
Nothing wrong with that Spain move. It was an aggressive late on the brakes maneuver, but he got it done cleanly and was ahead on corner exit.
Hamilton hit Verstappen from behind, totally different scenario.
Because you want it to be. Max was ahead BECAUSE Lewis backed out to avoid a crash as Max had gone in too hot.
What do you mean?
Strange choice of time frame. Why choose 2 years? If we look at the current state. Hamilton is currently one of the drivers with the least amount of penalty points on 2.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...what-did-they-get.3rFAlHELKARrdjzveVONuC.html
You wonder do you? What exactly are you wondering?
He is going to cause much more dangerous collisions than yesterday if he is not managed correctly. Not blaming him for yesterday but he did contribute. He has form over the last few years.
Ask Raikonnen (Spa move was dangerous) or Vettel.
For my tuppence Hamilton overcooked the corner, was good value for his penalty and drove a fantastic race to claw back the victory. Similar could've happened in Spain with roles reversed though.
That they don’t want another mass riot on their hands with looting like your deranged fans carried on with at Wembley because they didn’t get their own way.
The Wembley aggro was caused by ticketless fans trying to storm into the stadium. To suggest that has any relevance to the stewards' decision yesterday is a new low even for this thread.
Two of the most respected drivers on the grid;
Leclerc: "It is a racing incident. It is quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other. There was space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex but it is also true Max was quite aggressive on the outside. Things happen. The most important today is Max is unharmed and is fine."
Alonso: "Lewis had more than half a car alongside Max, so in a way Lewis could not disappear from that inside line. You can't vanish. So it was an unfortunate moment but nothing intentional and nothing that any of the two drivers did wrong."
Leclerc: "It is a racing incident. It is quite difficult to put the blame on one or the other. There was space on the inside. Maybe Lewis was not completely at the apex but it is also true Max was quite aggressive on the outside. Things happen. The most important today is Max is unharmed and is fine."
Alonso: "Lewis had more than half a car alongside Max, so in a way Lewis could not disappear from that inside line. You can't vanish. So it was an unfortunate moment but nothing intentional and nothing that any of the two drivers did wrong."
Show me one person outside of Red Bull who thinks the penalty was too soft.
A fanboy is anybody who disagrees with their point of view.
And you have the audacity to hang around in this thread calling people fanboys.
I think Hamilton ran wide because he didn’t want To end up in the wall. If he had taken the apex and Max had turned in there was no way he wasn’t ending up in the wall.
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It's cute that you've been so triggered by the word fanboy.
Seems the boot fits. Since you're dead set that every opinion you don't like must have come from someone with an agenda. "anti-hamilton fanboy"...... grow up.
Again, the irony.More biased Hamilton fans.
Totally unrelated. But interesting to see how your warped mind links the 2 separate events.
Can we keep puerile, petty insults like 'fanboy' out of this thread please.
Brazil 2019 and Austria 2020. Hamilton apologised both times. When Max is actually in the hospital, he doesn't even apologise. I say this as someone who grew to respect Hamilton a lot over the past few years, but the way Lewis handled the celebrations yesterday just didn't sit right with me.
You're unbelievable. You're among the most childish people in this thread, and telling others to grow up. And you're accusing me in bold of exactly what you're guilty of.
I don't mind you being against Hamilton, just be mature enough to own up to it, and when you're disagreeing with his fans, attack the message rather than the messenger. Instead you dismiss them as "fanboys" whilst being no better yourself.
As for me, if I am a "fanboy" of anyone, it would be Norris, I think he's brilliant.
Yeah he's been enabled by drivers not standing up to him - if Lewis stands his ground more we're gonna see a lot more incidents like this unless he reigns it in! RB will continue to treat him like a spoiled golden child, so it's hard to see where any positive role modelling will come from.
Nice to see people realising it's just a racing incident now.
I think the error came where Max thinks Lewis will back out, Lewis thinks Max will back out.
Neither did.
I think the error came where Max thinks Lewis will back out, Lewis thinks Max will back out.
Neither did.
Max gets plenty of plaudits for his aggressive driving and even though I am not a fan of the actual person he is purely as a driver he's phenomenal, i actually think the reason he has been so successful this year is that with maturity and now experience he has eliminated a lot of his rash decision making which caused so many pointless crashes for the years previous,
However yesterday's race he just lost his cool and knew Hamilton was going to take him and was driving like a mad man to try and prevent it and ultimately paid the price,
Do you think a 7 times world champion is going to pull out of a 50/50 with him and risk letting him win the race ? hell no, why would he, Max is used to usually getting his way and if it was Leclerc, Lando, Russel, any of the younger less experienced guys they would have swerved and let Max get ahead, but Max forgot who he was fighting yesterday, Lewis isn't the greatest ever F1 driver for no reason, he's had many a battle in the past and is extremely experienced, Max needs to learn from yesterday, not throw his toys out the pram because he played a game of chicken and lost.
If he was smart he would have played the game and let Hamilton through, Max had a lot less to lose than Lewis, and now due to his own rashness has allowed Lewis right back into the championship.
Max is only angry at himself deep down, he knows he screwed up.
However yesterday's race he just lost his cool and knew Hamilton was going to take him and was driving like a mad man to try and prevent it and ultimately paid the price,
Do you think a 7 times world champion is going to pull out of a 50/50 with him and risk letting him win the race ? hell no, why would he, Max is used to usually getting his way and if it was Leclerc, Lando, Russel, any of the younger less experienced guys they would have swerved and let Max get ahead, but Max forgot who he was fighting yesterday, Lewis isn't the greatest ever F1 driver for no reason, he's had many a battle in the past and is extremely experienced, Max needs to learn from yesterday, not throw his toys out the pram because he played a game of chicken and lost.
If he was smart he would have played the game and let Hamilton through, Max had a lot less to lose than Lewis, and now due to his own rashness has allowed Lewis right back into the championship.
Max is only angry at himself deep down, he knows he screwed up.
Simple as that.
What a guy Seb is.
I think if it was Hamilton last year, he would have given way and let Max keep the lead. It's different this year as Hamilton has to fight for every scrap so is going to go for the risks where he could afford not to before. Verstappen has to realise that now and learn that he's going against a different style now.
Some of it is experience though. When people were saying Verstappen was dangerous he was just a young driver used to pushing the limits and forcing drivers out of the way. Hamilton did the same early in his career. It's the blend of experience and talent which makes the driver - Hamilton goes for less overtakes than he did when young but gets more points due to attacking when he feels it's right to.
Such a typical entitled Englishman. Views like that are why no one supported England in the Euros…
Very strange response to a perfectly rational post.Such a typical entitled Englishman. Views like that are why no one supported England in the Euros…
I agree re: England support at the Euros by the way, but this post is not that.
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Such a typical entitled Englishman. Views like that are why no one supported England in the Euros…
I'm not even English ffs
what a mess, are you dutch by any chance ?Typical arrogant English response.I'm not even English ffs
I'm not even English ffs
Sarcasm doesn’t work on the internet, I thought the smiley face was enough! I was basically accused of the same thing yesterday.