Without any major injuries to key players? Yes, he would deserve to go. 79 points after signing players like Sancho and Varane represents a minuscule improvement. How much would we need to spend to get to 90 points?
It was a purposely fantastical scenario to highlight that when setting expectations it's silly to take outrageous scenarios into account. There will always be exceptions that could occur but you cross those lines when you come to it. What's simply happening here is that the staunchest Ole supporter on the board is trying to downplay expectations in a fashion that makes it look like he's not being biased.Yes because an injury crisis or a tough cup draw = getting hit by a bus.
That’s exactly why I’m saying it’s really hard to quantify a ‘minimum expectation’. If it narrowly misses a very specific criteria like you set do you sack him? Which is why the only criteria I can think of that would be fair and without context needing to apply (even this is slightly unfair) is to qualify for UCL.
There are so many variables that being as binary as ‘win a cup’ isn’t a fair target.
uh, but.. in your first scenario there we've won the CL, we didn't just qualify for CL football. I don't recall in your original post you saying "minimum should be 4th place or like.. a CL win", otherwise I'd have said.. yeah, a CL win, that would definitely be enough. Seems like you're just trying to bend the narrative now.
It wasn't a blanket statement though. I basically said .. do better in the league, and either win a domestic cup or progress further in the CL this time round. That's basically what you would expect at any top club. Progress. We can discuss your fairytale scenarios in the unlikely event that they happen but it's really stupid to not set expectations because of them.
I already clarified that I expect 80+ points or a title challenge in the unlikely scenario whereby the winners don't get 80 or 90 points.
It's funny because you are an agenda poster and you are being incredibly pedantic.Those are the minimum expectations I think are viable. I think they are reasonable once in a manager's third full season in charge with a squad as good as ours now is. You can be as pedantic as you like and invent scenarios whereby it's unfair to expect that but that, as you say, it's a pointless exercise, because you can only cross a bridge like that when you come to it. But, I can revise them for you if you'd like, just to cover every basis.
People will keep on disagreeing because Pep Guardiola is better than Ole whom he has beaten more often than not and yet to manage same strength squad shoulder to shoulder.
Of course not. That is the point of minimum expectations for feck sake. You say I'm missing the point and then come out with that. Sure, if there were exceptional circumstances that mean he didn't meet those expectations, I'd revise them. Nothing is set in stone. I'm not sure why you keep harping on about the 79 points nonsense when I've already clarified that a title challenge is perfectly acceptable with 79 points. I said 80 points because it's a reasonable amount based on how points totals have been in the PL in recent memory, that's all. If this turns out to be a much lower points title race, so be it.
Agree with these, minimum is that whoever finishes above us in the league wins the league, expect to get to knockout of CL, should be winning at least one trophy this season.
It does when it starts filtering to the terraces or social media. Do you think the opinions stop in this forum?
