Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

[Nou_Camp99]

For all those moaning that he wasn't back....

Back a few days before he is even due back.

Him and Bruno were knocked out of the Euros one day apart weren't they? Why was he given extra time anyway? I believe that is a valid criticism of the club to allow that as Bruno has been back a few days now at training.

And going off last season's exploits it's Bruno who needed the extended break not a player who turns up when he feels like it. It's Bruno who carried us to almost winning something. It certainly wasn't Pogba.

 

[RedDevilUnited369]

What happens to his agent's fee if he goes on a free? No more Mr ten per cent ?

If he goes for free, the buying club save the £50-60m they would pay this window. £40m of that will go to Pogba and his agent.

 

[Jordan_mufc]

Him and Bruno were knocked out of the Euros one day apart weren't they? Why was he given extra time anyway? I believe that is a valid criticism of the club to allow that as Bruno has been back a few days now at training.

And going off last season's exploits it's Bruno who needed the extended break not a player who turns up when he feels like it. It's Bruno who carried us to almost winning something. It certainly wasn't Pogba.

Bruno hardly played at the Euros. I'm sure United's sport science team knows a lot more about rest and recover than we do so let's just leave those decisions to them.

We don't have to criticise everything.

 

[horsechoker]

For all those moaning that he wasn't back....

Back a few days before he is even due back.

So when the outbreak took place

 

[Mainoldo]

Him and Bruno were knocked out of the Euros one day apart weren't they? Why was he given extra time anyway? I believe that is a valid criticism of the club to allow that as Bruno has been back a few days now at training.

And going off last season's exploits it's Bruno who needed the extended break not a player who turns up when he feels like it. It's Bruno who carried us to almost winning something. It certainly wasn't Pogba.

Star players get certain privileges. He gets a longer holiday every year.

Joking aside it’s probably due to his marketing clause in his contract. I assume he has certain marketing obligations after the season which someone like a Bruno doesn’t have The same clout to.

 

[RedDevilUnited369]

Him and Bruno were knocked out of the Euros one day apart weren't they? Why was he given extra time anyway? I believe that is a valid criticism of the club to allow that as Bruno has been back a few days now at training.

And going off last season's exploits it's Bruno who needed the extended break not a player who turns up when he feels like it. It's Bruno who carried us to almost winning something. It certainly wasn't Pogba.

Again you don’t know what is in his contract…if Raiola negotiated an extra week off every summer..he’s doing a good job for his client.

He clearly isn’t breaking any club rules.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Rate this, but waiting for the haters and their "but" responses to this

didn't you see the 'statistics can be manipulated' gambit

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.

A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.

What the actual feck? In what way is intimidating our own player supposed to help? Im sure being made to feel afraid will have him playing superbly and signing a new contract in no time. Or maybe it will help him decide to sign a contract so we can sell him, Im sure he will be full of goodwill to the club and wanting to cut his options to help us out after that.

 

[8thWonder]

Him and Bruno were knocked out of the Euros one day apart weren't they? Why was he given extra time anyway? I believe that is a valid criticism of the club to allow that as Bruno has been back a few days now at training.

And going off last season's exploits it's Bruno who needed the extended break not a player who turns up when he feels like it. It's Bruno who carried us to almost winning something. It certainly wasn't Pogba.

You've mentioned this already.

We don't know, the club obviously have no issue with it at all. But for some reason you seem to be foaming at the mouth about it.

He's allowed a holiday. If you want to introduce a performance based holiday scheme at United then good luck to you, but that's not how it works I'm afraid and has absolutely zero relevance, so stop trying to muddy someones name by spouting absolute nonsense.

Star players get certain privileges. He gets a longer holiday every year.

Joking aside it’s probably due to his marketing clause in his contract. I assume he has certain marketing obligations after the season which someone like a Bruno doesn’t have The same clout to.

That's a complete guess and is not going to help ...

As for Pogba in a United shirt, I understand some peoples frustration with him, and generally it's to do with his off the ball attributes, however, isn't it undoubtedly clear, he's a phenomenal footballer on the ball. As in, he does things fairly regularly that only a handful of people on the planet can do...

If, and it's obviously a big if, we can get the best out of Pogba, then we have someone already here who could be a Ballon D'or winner. I'd love him to stay here even if it's just for one more year.

 

[Giggsy13]

To some extent managing Pogba is like managing Gerrard.

On the face of it Pogba and Gerrard are like chalk and cheese, Pogba is all silk and smoothness, Gerrard blood and thunder. However, they are both centre midfielders who are not really centre midfielders.

I remember Benitez playing Gerrard on the wing and then putting Xabi Alonso and Mascherano behind him, because he did not trust Gerrard positionally in a midfield two. England managers did the same thing. It was, on the face of it, a weird one. Gerrard's long passing, his goal threat arriving late from midfield, his commitment and work rate should have made him a brilliant box-to-box midfielder . However, Gerrard's positional sense and his tendency to go chasing the game would often leave huge gaps in midfield...

...reminding you of Pogba yet?

Pogba is a brilliant player. He is strong, he works hard (don't believe me check his ball recovery and duel stats), he passes the ball beautifully, he can hit a shot from distance as good as anyone. Yet his sense for playing in the centre of midfield lacks something, just like Gerrard. If anything the issue is that both want to do too much. They want to join the attack, they want to drive the team forward, they want to chase down (how many times has Pogba shown himself to be a defensive liability running down a blind alley and giving away a penalty).

Ultimately you have to either compensate for that in Pogba, like Benitez did for Gerrard with Xabi and Mascherano, you have to be so dominant that it really doesn't matter what flaws exist in Pogba's game, or you have to decide to move him on.

Taking all the emotion out of it: 'He's not good enough!' 'He's Jogba' 'His agent is a $h!t' Man Utd's issue with Pogba has been, and will always be, systemic. We bought Pogba without a clear idea of what we wanted to use him for besides marketing. We have subsequently tried to shoehorn him into a range of tactical set ups and bought a number of other players that just don't work with him.

Its not an excuse. Its just a clear eyed, unemotional look at where things are.

This is bang on, great post.

 

[Giggsy13]

Luckhurst has been right all summer, so this is most likely true. Ultimately he’s going to sign a new contract imo, Raiola negotiates and plays dirty, and the club don’t seem to have an issue dealing with him. It would also be a strange time for him to leave considering the direction we’re taking to becoming title challengers again.

 

[theklr]

Luckhurst has been right all summer, so this is most likely true. Ultimately he’s going to sign a new contract imo, Raiola negotiates and plays dirty, and the club don’t seem to have an issue dealing with him. It would also be a strange time for him to leave considering the direction we’re taking to becoming title challengers again.

Just hope that if he does it wont be DDG/Sanchez kind of wages. But as I said before he does bring in alot of commercial revenue

 

[charlenefan]

Pay him what he and Raiola want on the condition Haaland comes next year

No Haaland no party

 

[alexthelion]

I think this might be the worst thread on the caf. The amount of tripe spouted in here is quite something.

That's what happens when Pogba FC mobilises.

 

[Random Task]

Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?

 

[BlackBen]

Him and Bruno were knocked out of the Euros one day apart weren't they? Why was he given extra time anyway? I believe that is a valid criticism of the club to allow that as Bruno has been back a few days now at training.

And going off last season's exploits it's Bruno who needed the extended break not a player who turns up when he feels like it. It's Bruno who carried us to almost winning something. It certainly wasn't Pogba.

Wait didn’t I read this same shit yesterday? Didn’t get the desired attention? Keep trying, the third time will be a charm.

 

[Volumiza]

I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.

A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.

I'm not massively pro-Pogba but some of the sentiments here are just wrong.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

 

[RUCK4444]

Just hope that if he does it wont be DDG/Sanchez kind of wages. But as I said before he does bring in alot of commercial revenue

Thing is as well, regardless of what some fools will claim in here, he brings a lot more to the table than DDG (the current version) and shouldn’t be in the same sentence as that clown Sanchez.

We’ve made mistakes with contracts and we need to be more careful with them, I agree on that. Just pointing out that in football terms he’s revered as world class, he’s going to need parity with DDG to get this renewal done imo.

 

[Giggsy13]

Just hope that if he does it wont be DDG/Sanchez kind of wages. But as I said before he does bring in alot of commercial revenue

I think he and his agent are eyeing the Sanchez wages, in light of him allegedly turn down £350K per week. That deal was damaging in so many ways for us as it completely blew away any wage structure we had. It set a new and uncomfortable benchmark.

The fact PSG haven’t made a formal approach suggests that they’re concerned Pogba is pulling a “Ramos” of his own to get a better contract here. Same can be said I suppose of the laughable scouser links.

 

[BlackBen]

Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?

Has any of his detractors stopped to consider for a moment that maybe, just maybe he doesn’t feel loved by said “fans” who expect him to commit to them but can’t commit to him?

 

[alexthelion]

We are more likely to win something this coming season without him than without period

That's better

 

[MadMike]

Has any of his detractors stopped to consider for a moment that maybe, just maybe he doesn’t feel loved by said “fans” who expect him to commit to them but can’t commit to him?

Have you ever stopped to consider that he is a professional, and as such his relationship is with the club and not with the fans?

Few Real Madrid players seem to have a problem with their shitty, entitled fans so long as they are paid top dollar and are winning things. Pogba is no different.

 

[Random Task]

Has any of his detractors stopped to consider for a moment that maybe, just maybe he doesn’t feel loved by said “fans” who expect him to commit to them but can’t commit to him?

I genuinely can't tell if you're being serious or not

In the case of the former: Pogba is a professional footballer who is paid vast sums of money to perform for United. The only opinion that matters to him is that of his manager, coaches, club associates and peers within the game. Sorry to break it to you, but the opinions of fans (you and I for example) are irrelevent. As it should be for any pro sportsman or women.

 

[8thWonder]

Why is it okay to boo at the Glazer's but not at Pogba. Maybe I'm overthinking things but this is a 90 million asset we have invested in that we are losing on a free.

Without meaning to be rude, I'm not sure that's the problem here...

If a player tries his best, then why would you ever boo a player?

As for losing an asset, I believe that the clubs who have been interested have reportedly been Real Madrid, Juventus and PSG.

Over the lasy several years, they have all been able to offer him more of a chance to win trophies. He would like to win trophies. We won't sell him on the cheap, so have effectively stopped him from moving. Real Madrid and Juventus don't want to spend that much. The only way he can leave is by running down his contract.

There is a reason so many players are doing this. Because the clubs have all the power. Take the United element out of it and it seems like a sensible approach from his side to be honest and booing him would seem absolutely ridiculous to me.

Incredible that it has been 88 pages to admit the simple truths:

1. Pogba is not delivering nearly enough for what he costs (and no - fecking t-shirts do not pay for it. Get real). Actually his performance and consistency is unacceptable for any price. He performs as occasional good sub, at best

2. He should have been sold last year when there were two years left and somebody maybe would have bought him. Now he is just running down the clock to go for free

3. Yes, his fecking manager is embarassing United and as a big club we should not be allowoing it because we should actually care about things like that. There are players much larger than Pogba who dont do this to their clubs

None of those are truths, they're opinions which people agree and disagree over. Particularly 1 and 2, are both wrong imo.

 

[Ali Dia]

Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?

About 350k a week more than Kessie if he let’s the club stew a while…

 

[Random Task]

About 350k a week more than Kessie if he let’s the club stew a while…

I wouldn't hold it against him if all this is about an improved contract. It's literally the way of the modern game to demand a salary befitting your stature within the game.

But he hasn't signed yet...

 

[BlackBen]

I dont mean to be rude but like if this guys goes doesn't sign another contract and plans to go on a free a second time at United- surely we cant let him feel comfortable as a human being anymore.

He is being extremely selfish. We are a a team followed by the biggest number of fans - we should be able to make a player feel intimidated.

A 90 million pound player who we bought but also helped grow in the first place is planning to leave us on a free. That is not right. Sign a contract and leave.

So many shit posts in this thread but this one takes the cake. Shades of what PSG’s chief Al-Khelaïfi said about Mbappe.

You want to make your own player not feel comfortable as a human being? Wow! Absolutely disturbing.

 

[Ødegaard]

Bollox. This just proves stats can be manipulated to make whatever point fits your narrative

Because it doesn't fit yours?

 

[Morpheus 7]

Has any of his detractors stopped to consider for a moment that maybe, just maybe he doesn’t feel loved by said “fans” who expect him to commit to them but can’t commit to him?

Boo fecking hoo, poor Paul. I hope when he does go, he takes his supporters with him. I remember when supporters had the best interest of the club first over a player, modern fans seem to support individuals now than there team. Strange times, the sympathy for this fraud is ridiculous. He's been so disrespectful and deserves every bit of criticism.

 

[BlackBen]

Have you ever stopped to consider that he is a professional, and as such his relationship is with the club and not with the fans?

Few Real Madrid players seem to have a problem with their shitty, entitled fans so long as they are paid top dollar and are winning things. Pogba is no different.

It was a bit tongue in cheek. But at the same time players are humans first before professionals and nobody will like to be at a place where they’re not loved .

We have people here suggesting to make him uncomfortable as a human being by intimidating him ffs. It’s fine if people don’t take to him as a player and what him gone but suggesting going to such lengths is just sickening.

 

[Ali Dia]

I wouldn't hold it against him if all this is about an improved contract. It's literally the way of the modern game to demand a salary befitting your stature within the game.

But he hasn't signed yet...

I don’t mind if he goes or stays at this point but I do think on the balance of things the team is moving on and we will probably end up with another Rooney/DDG/Sanchez type contract situation in a year so we should sell if the offer is good. Pogba should be at the peak of his powers now though and there is a chance that once any deal is signed he goes balls to the wall and mino backs right off. If he does we still have a cracking player on our hands. It’s a risk though.

 

[Widow]

Because it doesn't fit yours?

I don't care either way tbh.

I think he is a good player and I can imagine him being a great lad to have around the dressing room.

Do you really need to be told how team stats can buff a players rating? Just watch the guy, like others, because of covid I've watched every prem game last year. I have also held a season ticket for the last 10 years so I'd rather judge a player I have watched often with my own eyes.

I would love to keep him a find the perfect role for him but sometimes you just have to admit defeat and say he just doesn't fit for us.

No drama, just an average observation

 

[8thWonder]

Pogba is in a position where he can put to bed any suggestions questioning his commitment to the club by a) signing a new contract and/or b) releasing a statement confirming his desire to play for our club. Not at any point has he done either of those things.






What's stopping Pogba from following Kessie's example? Has any of his defenders stopped to consider for a moment that, maybe, just maybe, he is not committed to the club and is happy to take us for a ride?

Maybe he wanted/wants the oppurtunity to win big trophies but hasn't been able to leave? How is he taking us for a ride in that situation?

He's being silent (appreciate his agent not so much) and has repeatedly said how much he enjoys playing here. I'm a United fan not a Pogba fan but surely people can appreciate that we've not challenged for the big trophies in almost a decade and he has the oppurtunity to join clubs that do... If he signs, he's not going anywhere else.

Maybe it's possible he enjoys playing here but would also like to win multiple trophies? Isn't it as simple as that? What's there to stop and consider?

Look at Zaha and Kane as other examples who would like to leave but won't be able to until it's possibly too late.

 

[SATA]

Now that Rashford is confirmed out with surgery until late October, we will really really need him. Few days ago I was sure PSG will buy him, now I don’t think so anymore. They probably got the clue that he’s using them to get a better terms contract from us and he’ll eventually sign with United. I can see United pushing to get him sign now

 

[Borys]

Pogba being inconsistent is lazy analysis…

Has anybody recorded any data for the last 2 seasons, or are the 17/18 season stats the most recent we have?

But I appreciate the effort somebody took to prove his point (unless it's some kind of an 2 years old post, which I doubt).

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Maybe he wanted/wants the oppurtunity to win big trophies but hasn't been able to leave? How is he taking us for a ride in that situation?

He's being silent (appreciate his agent not so much) and has repeatedly said how much he enjoys playing here. I'm a United fan not a Pogba fan but surely people can appreciate that we've not challenged for the big trophies in almost a decade and he has the oppurtunity to join clubs that do... If he signs, he's not going anywhere else.

Maybe it's possible he enjoys playing here but would also like to win multiple trophies? Isn't it as simple as that? What's there to stop and consider?

Look at Zaha and Kane as other examples who would like to leave but won't be able to until it's possibly too late.

If that's what he wants then he should make it clear to tell the club he won't renew no matter what and tell his own agent not demanding big agent fees because it will stop this summer move.

 

[laughtersassassin]

Has anybody recorded any data for the last 2 seasons, or are the 17/18 season stats the most recent we have?

But I appreciate the effort somebody took to prove his point (unless it's some kind of an 2 years old post, which I doubt).

He certainly hasn't been inconsistent the past two seasons though.

He has been injured for large amounts of time in those.

Of course people irrationality hate on him and make conspiracies based on that as well.

 

[Roane]

I think Pogba will sign and I don't think it was about money per se.

My reasoning for this is quite simple. I think Pogba thought he would ould have a few more medals/trophies during his return to UTD. This hasn't transpired and I think most of that has been down to the club post SAF. This will be his last big contract and what he achieved before rejoining us would put his last few years in the "should have done better" territory.

The money issue for me is a no go simply due to his previous behaviour. If I recall correctly under SAF we offered him more money than what Juve gave him. Yet he went to get more playing time.

I think our signings so far and the fact that Paul has returned now from holiday will see pen put to paper sooner rather than later.

 

[mu4c_20le]

If that's what he wants then he should make it clear to tell the club he won't renew no matter what and tell his own agent not demanding big agent fees because it will stop this summer move.

Why would he burn his bridges like that? And I'm sure it's more then just agent fees holding this up, psg also need to sell first in order to buy. He and the club are being professional, and not acting on emotion like the fans.