F1 2021 Season

[hobbers]

No - but then it wasn't Max that said this was an "awkward low speed crash" was it?

No it was me who said that from his perspective it was an awkward low speed crash. Which it was. Because he doesn't have access to 4K slow mo replays in his cockpit.

 

[Zlatan 7]

he is there to give his opinion.

you dont have to agree with it, but he is hardly a nobody.

In the grand scheme of formula 1, He is imo. Sorry if that offends you. He also seems fairly biased. Again, just my opinion of him. He may well be a fantastic person.

 

[No11]

Team Red Bull is a bunch of pricks. It starts with the principal and spreads down the chain. Christian Horner is the antithesis to gentleman of sport. He wants to win at any costs and I question his morality. Horner and Verstappen is to me a bad combination. I can imagine Horner encourage Verstappen to drive like an a…., and his uncritical support of Verstappen is like throwing petrol on flames.

this is pretty much how i see Mercedes funnily enough.

 

[RoadTrip]

Not opinions, objective facts.

Max was stood next to Lewis in his car trying to drive away. Fact. He can see he's fine. Fact. He didn't see his tyre hit Lewis' helmet. Fact.

In Silverstone Max went backwards into a wall at 180mph. Fact.


If you can't accept the above it's maybe a sign you're a bit of a deluded fanboy.

Yup. I must be. Time to ignore.

 

[hobbers]

It's actually impressive how every post you manage to describe yourself in the insults you use to describe others. It's like you're the embodiment of irony.

It isn't moral grandstanding to think that Max should care about other drivers, its something that we should all see as a basic requirement to being allowed on the track.

Still waiting on your reasons as to why you think Max was oblivious to Lewis' health while stood there watching him trying to reverse away. Or how he managed to observe the contact of his rear tyre with Lewis' head.

Take your time. I know it's a tough assignment.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

They are the worst of the big boys and the 2 boys are holding there own, next year should be interesting, with there new power unit and chassis, with Ferrari basically saying feck this year putting everything into next season, hopefully they will be able to compete next year and the Hammerheads and Maxists will have the Tifosi coming at them

I'd be glad to see that. I'm not an especially big fan of Mercedes. I just dislike Red Bull.

 

[rednotled]

No it was me who said that from his perspective it was an awkward low speed crash. Which it was. Because he doesn't have access to 4K slow mo replays in his cockpit.

Your original post does not make that distinction. It (still) reads as though you and no-one else, is downplaying the severity of the crash. I think that 4k slo-mo photo shows pretty clearly that it was a pretty nasty incident.

From what I read, you don't?

 

[The Hilton]

Still waiting on your reasons as to why you think Max was oblivious to Lewis' health while stood there watching him trying to reverse away. Or how he managed to observe the contact of his rear tyre with Lewis' head.

Take your time.

Max knew his car was on top of Hamilton's, and how dangerous that was, especially given he hit the gas while still on top, and then he ignored him when he got out and walked away. He didn't pay nearly enough attention to see if Lewis was OK, so based on his actions he didn't care.

Given his own, as you put it, moral grandstanding after Silverstone, at best it makes him a raging hypocrite.

 

[Darkhorsez]

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/...e-place-grid-penalty-lewis-hamilton-collision

 

[Dan_F]

Max knew his car was on top of Hamilton's, and how dangerous that was, especially given he hit the gas while still on top, and then he ignored him when he got out and walked away. He didn't pay nearly enough attention to see if Lewis was OK, so based on his actions he didn't care.

Given his own, as you put it, moral grandstanding after Silverstone, at best it makes him a raging hypocrite.

Its probably not a big deal, but in fairness, Max fans in this thread made a massive fact about Lewis celebrating the Silverstone win, while Max was going for regulation checks in hospital. So it doesn’t surprise me to see people pushing back now.

 

[Hephaestus]

 

[Fully Fledged]

Thought it was back of the grid, with the other stuff they have to chance, Bottas and Gasley today were back of the grid.

If they change other stuff as well then yeah.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Here's hoping it's nothing serious.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Hope he's alright.

 

[Darkhorsez]

Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.

The stewards reviewed the incident after the race and declared Verstappen "predominantly to blame" for the incident. He will serve the penalty at the Russian Grand Prix. He has also been given two penalty points on his superlicence.
Glad this was handled similar to the British GP. Max was at fault and the most tell tell sign was the way he made is way away from the accident.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_RuiIl0KlL4?feature=share

 

[RoadTrip]

Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.

To the first section of your post, I agree. This is very similar principally as the Silverstone incident. I think a sensible objective opinion is that penalties should be consistent. I always thought Silverstone was a racing incident. Perhaps 60-40 blame to Lewis. I’d say this is the same. Racing incident, 60-40 Max’s fault. Neither malicious. Neither intentional. Just two drivers not giving each other anything. That’s why I wish Silverstone wasn’t penalised because I don’t think either of these incidents are worthy of penalties.

To the second, I don’t think anyone is saying Max did it intentionally. Someone quoted Hill who suggested it. The big debate about complaining about Max was spurred by one poster who seemed to dismiss this as no risk minor accident. Seperate point altogether.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Thought if the incident at Silverstone was judged as a racing incident then this should be too. There was nothing malicious in it, Max was next to Lewis who didn't leave any room and Max didn't back out just as Lewis didn't at Silverstone. Both of them could have done more to avoid the crash, same as at Silverstone. To the ones making it seem like Max tried to harm Lewis by purposely making the wheels spin on Lewis' head: get a grip. You may not like Max but that's just ridiculous.

Watching it again when he spun the wheels after the crash the wheel was no longer anywhere near Lewis' head.

 

[Camilo]

plenty were against it at first, including Max and Seb all changed their minds, are they all pricks also !

Of course! Have you been living under a rock the last ten years??? If there's one thing the British public can't tolerate (apparently) it's a U Turn! We want perfect people making perfect decisions, and then we want them to stand by those decisions resolutely, forever.

 

[hellhunter]

Watching it again when he spun the wheels after the crash the wheel was no longer anywhere near Lewis' head.

To be fair, he couldn't really have known

 

[Buster15]

for what?

For what the stewards determined was predominantly his fault.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Very poor behaviour for Max not to check on Lewis, very unsportsmanlike to just walk past. Has Horner made any comments, bet he couldn’t wait haha.

Great to see a McLaren 1-2, fingers crossed they just keep getting better.

 

[Darkhorsez]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_RuiIl0KlL4?feature=share

Thanks for sharing. I know when I watched it in realtime - it really seemed like a deliberate move by max.

 

[No11]

For what the stewards determined was predominantly his fault.

racing incident in my opinion, similar to Silverstone.

If one driver has no choice then fair enough but both could have avoided contact.
They are racing for the World Title.
Personally i think this is great for F1, and i am a fan of neither.

 

[Buster15]

racing incident in my opinion, similar to Silverstone.

If one driver has no choice then fair enough but both could have avoided contact.
They are racing for the World Title.
Personally i think this is great for F1, and i am a fan of neither.

Got to say that that was pretty much how I saw it. And the same for the previous incident at Silverstone.
But the stewards have access to all the available data.

 

[RoadTrip]

Got to say that that was pretty much how I saw it. And the same for the previous incident at Silverstone.
But the stewards have access to all the available data.

I personally think it’s just a case of setting the incorrect precedent in Silverstone.Neither should be penalties but because the first was, they basically have to double down on it today. Hopefully next year they refine this.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[No11]

Got to say that that was pretty much how I saw it. And the same for the previous incident at Silverstone.
But the stewards have access to all the available data.

Verstappen could have taken the escape road and lost position
Hamilton could have given more space as he had plenty tarmac on his right and lost position

Neither did so a coming together was inevitable

Racing incident.

 

[christy87]

I'd be glad to see that. I'm not an especially big fan of Mercedes. I just dislike Red Bull.

It also looks like McLaren have got there act together and have 2 likeable drivers, so they could be in the reckoning next season, I hated them when I was young.

On the F1 season cap say a team like Ferrari plan to tank this season, can they spend the left over budget on next season’s cars or would that be counted against next season’s budget

 

[Fluctuation0161]

racing incident in my opinion, similar to Silverstone.

If one driver has no choice then fair enough but both could have avoided contact.
They are racing for the World Title.
Personally i think this is great for F1, and i am a fan of neither.

The punishment is similar to Silverstone too.

Wasn't Hamilton given a penalty for Silverstone? Max didn't finish this race so a grid penalty is the closest equivalent punishment?

 

[Buster15]

I personally think it’s just a case of setting the incorrect precedent in Silverstone.Neither should be penalties but because the first was, they basically have to double down on it today. Hopefully next year they refine this.

Yes.

 

[hellhunter]

The punishment is similar to Silverstone too.

Wasn't Hamilton given a penalty for Silverstone? Max didn't finish this race so a grid penalty is the closest equivalent punishment?

Got 10s, didn't he?

 

[Buster15]

Verstappen could have taken the escape road and lost position
Hamilton could have given more space as he had plenty tarmac on his right and lost position

Neither did so a coming together was inevitable

Racing incident.

Yes.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Verstappen could have taken the escape road and lost position
Hamilton could have given more space as he had plenty tarmac on his right and lost position

Neither did so a coming together was inevitable

Racing incident.

I'd say predominantly Maxs fault 60/40.

Just as Silverstone was Lewis predominantly at fault 60/40.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

I personally think it’s just a case of setting the incorrect precedent in Silverstone.Neither should be penalties but because the first was, they basically have to double down on it today. Hopefully next year they refine this.

True.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Got 10s, didn't he?

Yes.

 

[No11]

The punishment is similar to Silverstone too.

Wasn't Hamilton given a penalty for Silverstone? Max didn't finish this race so a grid penalty is the closest equivalent punishment?

problem is thee is no consistency with penalties.

Bottas took out how many at Hungary? 5 place grid penalty
Verstappen involved in a racing incident which both could have avioded. 3 place grid penalty.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

The stewards reviewed the incident after the race and declared Verstappen "predominantly to blame" for the incident. He will serve the penalty at the Russian Grand Prix. He has also been given two penalty points on his superlicence.
Glad this was handled similar to the British GP. Max was at fault and the most tell tell sign was the way he made is way away from the accident.

I can get behind their reasoning why Max is predominantly at fault, just like Lewis was at Silverstone. What I don't get is why Max gets a far bigger penalty here than Lewis did for a similar incident. No consistency from the stewards at all here.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I can get behind their reasoning why Max is predominantly at fault, just like Lewis was at Silverstone. What I don't get is why Max gets a far bigger penalty here than Lewis did for a similar incident. No consistency from the stewards at all here.

I would say 3 place grid drop and 10 second pen are not too far apart.
Max will make up 3 places with a few laps.