Interim manager discussion: Who replaces the interim interim manger (Carrick)?

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sdb4884 said:
So Carrick isn't the interim manager ? So what we will just have another Ole type to take the reigns from him as well? Or will Carrick actually have a chance to be the interim manager ?
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He's the interim-interim manager. Carrick is pretty much Ole in this scenario, we'll then have a Blanc/Rangnick till the end of the season after 2/3 games and then hope to land a Ten Hag/Poch in the summer.

Won't be a popular opinion but this is the absolute best we can do in this scenario.
 
Ranchero said:
Other clubs forward plan. They think about succession. A Plan B should anything go wrong. It is completely normal. Except for United. We can't forward plan when it was bloody obvious even before the Liverpool capitulation that Solskjaer's days were numbered. Other clubs would be thinking about a permanent manager. Or at least have an eye on who they may bring in quickly as an interim measure. We haven't. We have an interim interim manager. And Michael Carrick according to the club will be in place for "forthcoming games" so he will be in place at the very least for the Villarreal game on Tuesday and the Chelsea game next Sunday. That's in seven days. But this is all but a symptom of the ineptitude at 'learning on the job' United.

And it is time to wake up to the damage that is being caused by those whose faces are never seen.
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Which other club? If we take Bayern in recent history when they sacked Ancelotti they used Sagnol as a caretaker for one game before naming Heynckes interim manager. Chelsea named Steve Holland for one game before naming Hiddink as an interim manager.

People seem to overestimate what other club actually do, what you saw today is perfectly normal in Football. What is not normal is for a club to hire a completely new staff minutes after sacking a manager particularly when we are not talking about a full time manager.

Bonus: Chelsea couldn't even sack Conte properly and had to bring him back for preseason because they couldn't agree on a fee for Sarri.
 
They should have all been thrown out on their ear weeks ago. We're now in a situation where we have the main culprits of our clueless form and football leading us into the next two games only without their boss. This will get much worse before it gets better.
 
Obviously nothing was going to be put in place before Tuesday but this also shows we had no plan to replace Ole despite the fact it was clear for 2 months it was over, what the hell we were doing over the international break is anybodies guess. The idea of an interim is fine if it's Rangnick with a clear plan for Ten Hag in the summer, but it feels more like we'll get another bum who'll fluke a few wins and end up in the job full time.
 
RedB4ndiT said:
If we don't have an immediate replacement we should have kept Ole. Carrick and others are no better (probably worse after the "new manager bounce" effect has worn off).
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But that is how bad it got. No club waits this long to pull the plug. The real earthquake at Old Trafford happened on October 24. That's nearly a month ago now. When we capitulated against Liverpool at Old Trafford. It remains the most embarrassing result in my living memory. Because there was NOTHING. Man City was equally embarrassing and still the board do nothing. Against Watford we showed a little bit of something in the second half. And the sending off then killed our frail mentality.
We have no plan on the field. We know this and Ole gets the chop. But more importantly we have no plan off it. And who carries the can? Nobody.
Let's not lose sight of who is at fault here. The club needs systemic change. Ideally a change of ownership. Custodians of the club who bloody care.
 
Udmaster said:
Why is no one considering Ernesto Valverde or Laurent blanc for the interim job
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Blanc could be a sensible choice, but could do a Ole and do well and end up getting a 3 year deal.

One I would love just for the entertainment, which would never ever happen is Biesla. With the attacking talent we have that would be some watch, though my heart probably couldnt take it.
 
abkmufc92 said:
Carrick, Phelan and McKenna are all part of the problem and should be sacked as well.
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They probably will be once an interim manager is appointed. They still need a management team in place for Wednesday and cant sack everyone I guess.
 
If the club actually has a plan.
interim will be Rangnick with Ten Hag coming in the summer.

Or it could be Zidane as interim, this actually makes sense for both us and Zidane. Zidane isn’t sold on United or living in England, and many are not sold on him. So taking the job until May gives both parties a chance to assess and see how it goes. In May part ways, or if goes better than expected his wife loves Manchester, the club is playing great football then make it permanent.
 
I assume Carrick will be in charge two games at the most but do people think he will do anything totally different to Ole in these games?
 
IWat said:
In reality, where is he going to get a new set of backroom staff in November?
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There are coaches all over the world who'd love this opportunity. Continuing with what you know doesn't work is flat out stupid.
 
lsd said:
I assume Carrick will be in charge two games at the most but do people think he will do anything totally different to Ole in these games?
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I hope to God we won’t see McFred ever again.
 
RooneyLegend said:
There are coaches all over the world who'd love this opportunity. Continuing with what you know doesn't work is flat out stupid.
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Sure. But most are going to be in jobs and the offer from United is going to be come until the end of the season under an interim manager we've not named while we're in an awful spot? Hardly seems an appealing option for anyone good enough to have other options.
 
It's pretty wild that we actually don't have a plan in mind for sacking Ole, despite how bad we've been for so long. How can we be that incompetent? The writing was on the wall for months.
 
Rolaholic said:


Not really remarkable given the dunces in charge...
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Oh man, the gross incompetence at the top is becoming more evident , as each day passes. I'm glad they are getting called out in media .
You had Conte FFS. Ok, if not Conte, should have got someone care taker right after Liverpool. It would have saved one of Atalanta, City and Watford games. The new manager would have got 3 weeks by now.
 
bosnian_red said:
It's pretty wild that we actually don't have a plan in mind for sacking Ole, despite how bad we've been for so long. How can we be that incompetent? The writing was on the wall for months.
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I'm not sure we don't in all honesty. I don't think senior sources at the club keep the press abreast that much on what's going on. I know it's difficult not assuming the worst of the club but assumptions from journalists because they've not heard any different may not be the reality
 
JPRouve said:
Which other club? If we take Bayern in recent history when they sacked Ancelotti they used Sagnol as a caretaker for one game before naming Heynckes interim manager. Chelsea named Steve Holland for one game before naming Hiddink as an interim manager.

People seem to overestimate what other club actually do, what you saw today is perfectly normal in Football. What is not normal is for a club to hire a completely new staff minutes after sacking a manager particularly when we are not talking about a full time manager.

Bonus: Chelsea couldn't even sack Conte properly and had to bring him back for preseason because they couldn't agree on a fee for Sarri.
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The problem remains the standard of whom you are bringing in. Carrick, for instance, only got his coaching badges four year ago. He is another 'learning on the job' body at Old Trafford. United was his first coaching job and he is now interim interim manager. With no chance of getting the job full time. No chance. The club have already said this. Those in temporary control normally have a little hope of possibly getting it full time if they are successful. Carrick has not. So as I have said before (sorry for repeating) he is a lame duck. We actually have Mike Phelan who has management experience (albeit failed management experience) but for some reason is overlooked. Yet he was given a new three year contract 47 days ago.
The point is that the wheels of succession planning undoubtedly should have taken place way way before now. Even before the Old Trafford capitulation against Liverpool which is a month ago now. This has been coming for months.
 
Carrick is fully complicit in the awful football that United have been playing.
No shape, no plan, no system.
United training has obviously been dreadful. Poor fitness, poor pressing (non existent) and no defensive pattern.
New long term manager needs to pick his own coaching staff and back room regime. We need a fresh start.
 
We have an important match coming up on Tuesday. It's Sunday.

Maybe we want to get the game out of the way before announcing someone and it doesn't mean we've no idea who it is.

I hate defending the club as they've been awful but 'we dont know therefore they can't have a plan' seems highly presumptive.
 
Ranchero said:
The problem remains the standard of whom you are bringing in. Carrick, for instance, only got his coaching badges four year ago. He is another 'learning on the job' body at Old Trafford. United was his first coaching job and he is now interim interim manager. With no chance of getting the job full time. No chance. The club have already said this. Those in temporary control normally have a little hope of possibly getting it full time if they are successful. Carrick has not. So as I have said before (sorry for repeating) he is a lame duck. We actually have Mike Phelan who has management experience (albeit failed management experience) but for some reason is overlooked. Yet he was given a new three year contract 47 days ago.
The point is that the wheels of succession planning undoubtedly should have taken place way way before now. Even before the Old Trafford capitulation against Liverpool which is a month ago now. This has been coming for months.
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We have a game in two days, you are not bringing anyone with high standard in that time frame, don't be silly. And Sagnol didn't had his badges for much longer than Carrick.
 
Thiagoal said:
I’m not sure why everyone is losing their shit over the prospect of Carrick taking temporary charge. The plane to Valencia leaves tomorrow morning- do you think we’d have no coaches on it? Jesus wept
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Its not just Jesus who is weeping mate. There should have been planning done from the time we got beaten 5-0 by our rivals at home. Anyone could see that it wasn’t working.

The lack of thought and responsibility is so stark and flagrant that it’s become accepted and normal now, and that isn’t right.

If we go out of the CL now, who is responsible? No one. Just sleep walking into failure as usual.

They say on their arses for two weeks and let their manager go on holiday for 9 days…only to watch him get smashed by a team fighting relegation. And only now they think “yeah, let’s sack him and draw up a plan”. Inept isn’t even the word.
 
stw2022 said:
I'm not sure we don't in all honesty. I don't think senior sources at the club keep the press abreast that much on what's going on. I know it's difficult not assuming the worst of the club but assumptions from journalists because they've not heard any different may not be the reality
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Actions speak louder than words. The actions are that we have a lame duck taking charge for at least the crucial Villarreal game on Tuesday and the Chelsea clash on Sunday. We aren't even in a position to name an interim manager, let alone have a clue about a permanent manager. Does that sound like a plan at all? If it is a plan, it is a plan in the Baldrick sense of the word.
 
Sky Sports speculating that Poch is the No.1 target which is the reason for an interim manager until the end of the season. I hope it’s Ten Hag.
 
Maluco said:
Its not just Jesus who is weeping mate. There should have been planning done from the time we got beaten 5-0 by our rivals at home. Anyone could see that it wasn’t working.

The lack of thought and responsibility is so stark and flagrant that it’s become accepted and normal now, and that isn’t right.

If we go out of the CL now, who is responsible? No one. Just sleep walking into failure as usual.

They say on their arses for two weeks and let their manager go on holiday for 9 days…only to watch him get smashed by a team fighting relegation. And only now they think “yeah, let’s sack him and draw up a plan”. Inept isn’t even the word.
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God that is another page in a chapter of the book of Glazer ownership incompetence. We capitulate to City and then Ole and the players not on international duty go and have a wee holiday. And Watford was the result.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
He's the interim-interim manager. Carrick is pretty much Ole in this scenario, we'll then have a Blanc/Rangnick till the end of the season after 2/3 games and then hope to land a Ten Hag/Poch in the summer.

Won't be a popular opinion but this is the absolute best we can do in this scenario.
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i agree with you. Senible scenario.
 
Get Roy Keane in as interim-interim manager to give them all the kick up the ass that they all need.
 
Ranchero said:
Actions speak louder than words. The actions are that we have a lame duck taking charge for at least the crucial Villarreal game on Tuesday and the Chelsea clash on Sunday. We aren't even in a position to name an interim manager, let alone have a clue about a permanent manager. Does that sound like a plan at all? If it is a plan, it is a plan in the Baldrick sense of the word.
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Sure they do. But on this page alone it's gone from 'we've only started looking this morning' to 'we started looking after Liverpool game'.

To me the fact they've announced plans for an interim through to end of season indicates they know exactly who they want but know he isnt available until them and also they know who they'll get as interim but understandably doesnt want the first game of his tenure to be losing a crucial game in CL because he's not even had time to learn everyones name yet.

There's no time to get anything else in place in 2 days. Carrick until them. Then we announced interim then we announce permanent when we're contractually able to.

I might be wrong and too optimistic but I think 'we dont know therefore we assume it's bad' goes a little too far
 
stw2022 said:
We have an important match coming up on Tuesday. It's Sunday.

Maybe we want to get the game out of the way before announcing someone and it doesn't mean we've no idea who it is.

I hate defending the club as they've been awful but 'we dont know therefore they can't have a plan' seems highly presumptive.
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If you see what the club has said, they say Carrick will be at the wheel for "forthcoming games" while an interim is sorted out. That means at least two. I think we can agree on that. So that doesn't just mean Villarreal on Tuesday. It also means Chelsea next Sunday. So we will have a lame duck for at least a week. This is not what you would call, a plan.
 
stw2022 said:
Sure they do. But on this page alone it's gone from 'we've only started looking this morning' to 'we started looking after Liverpool game'.

To me the fact they've announced plans for an interim through to end of season indicates they know exactly who they want but know he isnt available until them and also they know who they'll get as interim but understandably doesnt want the first game of his tenure to be losing a crucial game in CL because he's not even had time to learn everyones name yet.

There's no time to get anything else in place in 2 days. Carrick until them. Then we announced interim then we announce permanent when we're contractually able to.

I might be wrong and too optimistic but I think 'we dont know therefore we assume it's bad' goes a little too far
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Or they don't like the currently available managers and think that the pool of candidates will improve between now and the summer.
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Would be the absolute worst thing we could do.
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Worse than what? We are in a mess. Get Roy Keane in for the next couple of games to kick some ass until the board can come up with some kind of interim manager plan sometime whenever. Sorry, I have just lost it with what is going on at our club right now.
 
The statement came out at 11:30. I don't think that because by 13:25 we dont know the name of the interim, the name of the replacement for the 2022/23 season or what colour tie he'll wear for his first match it means the club are wankers. Sorry
 
stw2022 said:
I'm not sure we don't in all honesty. I don't think senior sources at the club keep the press abreast that much on what's going on. I know it's difficult not assuming the worst of the club but assumptions from journalists because they've not heard any different may not be the reality
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Of course we dont. We had a full international break to sack Ole and get a new manager. We had weeks before the break to start looking. We have fecking Carrick in charge now until we find an interim before we try and get someone end of season? It's a joke. Not to mention all the talk about Poch or Rodgers. Both would be horrendous appointments.
 
JPRouve said:
Or they don't like the currently available managers and think that the pool of candidates will improve between now and the summer.
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Hmmm. Defenders of a board who have previously let Poch and more recently Conte slip through their fingers. Sorry nobody who looks at how our club is run, and sees the appointments that have been made can tell me that we have a clue.
 
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