F1 2021 Season
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
you’re a king of the one liners I must say.I think you need to check again how many cars were allowed to unlap themselves.First of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
Agree - but I think Merc will take the FIA to CAS if there is not a legal reason behind throwing out the protest.
Like a filthy and cheap @SteveJ
I know but they could take that one which is a rule that Red Bull couldn't contest because it happened and it would get them out of a court case.
I don't expect them to do it but it's the only way it doesn't go to court.
So you clearly have no idea what you are talking about? Cool, glad we got this one sorted!
@ArjenIsM3 this guy is making a late run for your spot mate!
I'm going to do a Mercedes here and KO him on a technicality: the last race has ended so the season is over. Anything that happens after that should have no bearing on the results. I win. Get rekt. @Jerch
Cnut. The title is mine.I think @ArjenIsM3 is too well behaved and not wummy enough for that title anyway. Just a bit deluded
At the start of the race I was thinking how Max could just drive into Lewis and force them both to withdraw and then he would win on a count back.
I didn’t think it possible that there could be a more contentious way for Max to win, but alas.
I didn’t think it possible that there could be a more contentious way for Max to win, but alas.
There is no issue with letting ALL the cars onlapping , but thats not what happened, it was only the cars between Lewis and MaxFirst of all,
What's the issue with the lapped cars being allowed to pass? I think its always been like that when under safety cars, no?
At which point merc should decide that with 1 day before the next championship they withdraw cars and engines from mclaren Williams and Aston... take the fine and commit to formula e
Do the right thing or get feked and merc have the financial power to finish f1
I would go the other way and say it's a red flag rather than a safety car if you can't use a VSC. They could then restart in exactly the way you've described, keeping the gaps from before the stop. The problem with not allowing pit stops is that somebody may be due to come in and are running for 7 or 8 laps on tyres that have 0 laps in them, before running another hot lap and pitting.
It's a difficult one though as allowing any work done is going to disadvantage someone, but safety has to come first. Maybe a 20 second penalty and reorder the grid based on that for the restart if you change tyres during the red flag?
Just take whatever the difference was off of their finishing time. Simples.
Completely wiping away any advantage you earned over 50 odd laps because someone else crashed is bonkers to my uneducated mind.
Hamilton was miles in the lead due to win the race and championship. With 5 laps to go (I think) there was a crash which lead to a safety car. Verstappen pitted for fresh tyres while Hamilton was on old worn out tyres that are much slower but he couldn't afford to pit as it would have lost him the race lead. Behind the safety car there was 4 (or 3 i cant remember) lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. These cars only were told to overtake the safety car to put Verstappen behind Hamilton. The controversy is that only these 4 cars were told to move and none of the other lapped cars were told to do the same when the rules state that either all lapped cars must do it or none. So basically the rules were changed to provide an entertaining last lap spectacle which Hamilton was extremely disadvantaged in because of his tyres. So from being almost guaranteed the win Hamilton lost the race and the title due to this decision.
There is more to it and its a very messy situation but basically Hamilton was dominating the whole race and lost it due to the stewards decision making.
First one thrown out, right decision, I think
Yeah, all valid issues. I absolutely am of the view the whole thing needs a rethink, just not sure what the right answer would be.
no matter what is decided, it’s not going to fix what happened today. it’s like this old family saying we have, “you can’t unfeck the turkey, rimaldo, christmas is ruined.”
Correct decision on the first one. Even if he ‘overtook’ Lewis, then the place was given back immediately
I don’t see how the FIA can stand by their decision.. what can they say?
Absolutely correct, would have been a court-free easy way out for them, though
My “stand back” view is that the just result is Hamilton winning. For elements completely not in his control, he went from sailing to a 10 second win to getting beaten out. I know that’s not how you can apply the rules, and I know that anything could have happened in the remaining part of the race if there was no SC at all, but that’s my overriding thought on what’s just.
5 live saying Max is confirmed as champion
Nothing will happen with the protests, it's just more theater, the championship has been handed out and that's pretty much the end of it.
The only thing they can do is to get rid of Masi, who's been an inconsistent mess all year, and bring in a race director who can handle the pressure and stick to the rules.
The only thing they can do is to get rid of Masi, who's been an inconsistent mess all year, and bring in a race director who can handle the pressure and stick to the rules.
Feck sakes
I suspect they will overrule Mercedes so they will have to take it further with there QC.
They were never going to take that away from him. It would have been farce.
And it isn't now?
Point taken.
I will put my hand up and admit that I, like others, have been so frustrated by the way rules have been manipulated that I may have said things I would not normally say.
Even more of a farce?
Apparently Mercedes have hired the same lawyer that got Man City off the hook.
I don't remember a time when i've been so disgusted with sport. They changed the regulations on the fly to manufacture a "winner takes all" last lap that severely disadvantaged Hamilton. Max was gifted 30-40 seconds plus a FREE pair of softs. And even then Lewis would have won had they not arbitrarily changed the rules.
I think the FIA are in trouble here and it is quite possible that they'll have to invalidate that final lap... Correctly so.
Evil attracts evil.
Don't think so, both scenarios are a total clusterfeck, but only one used the correct rules to get there
If I was the FIA, the only way to show compliance with their rules and maintain the result is to invalidate the whole result. High means Max would win. But I wonder, what complications that might lead them to in terms of sponsorships and ticket sales.