Pogba

I am not against Pogba because of his inconsistencies. I am against Pogba staying because of his agent and his injury record. We should say goodbye to him after this season and end this failed experiment.
 
We should not resign Pogba, he has been here long enough but he have won nothing. How many games has he started? How many times was he injure? For the money he is on, he is not worth it. Get let it go, it will save us millions for younger and hungrier players.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
Paul in this team would add so much creativity. I never got the hate for him. He is a modern mercenary like most players. There is just too much money in football to not be an a***** as a player. He is just an honest one.
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I couldnt give a fig how mercenary Pogba is, thats the nature of the game these days, but I do object to paying a serial under achiever exhorbitant wages simply because he is Paul Pogba. No matter how you look at it Pogba has failed to deliver, both on his then world record transfer fee and on his high wages and for 6 years we've watched as various managers tried various systems for him to play within, but none worked for long. Was that Mourinhos fault? Was it Oles fault? Will Rangnick be blamed if he too fails to get the best out of Pogba? Pogba has never shown any real desire to play for us, and even less consistency. To offer him a new contract on any amount of wages would be utter folly. We cant afford to wait another 6 years, and neither can Pogba! And no, I dont "hate" Pogba, I dont know him, but I have very little respect for him as a Manchester United player.
 
RooneyLegend said:
With all these complaints about him you'd think this team is so much better off without him, instead our football is hopeless and we're back to DDG doing everyone's job for them.
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Who would you displace in Rangnick’s current 4-3-3 setup to make room for him?

Fred’s the obvious candidate I guess, and then you’d ask Bruno to do the Fred job with Pogba roaming free … I don’t know; not seeing it.
 
hungrywing said:
Narcissistic behavior 101.
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Yeah have to agree. It could have worked out but it hasn't. He needs a team built around him and he's not good enough to justify that. And the top teams don't play that way anyhow. He won't get those wages elsewhere.
 
git_united said:
Who would you displace in Rangnick’s current 4-3-3 setup to make room for him?

Fred’s the obvious candidate I guess, and then you’d ask Bruno to do the Fred job with Pogba roaming free … I don’t know; not seeing it.
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We'll see it in the upcoming weeks I guess. Sancho hasn't exactly set the world alight and Elanga gets a lot of slack because he's from the academy - so IMO the left wing place is still wide open.

We've been burned repeatedly by trying to get Bruno + DM + Pogba in the same side, so I'm not exactly optimistic but maybe Rangnick can do better than Ole.
 
Really would not be pleased with him resigning. Sure it is "value" in the sense even a very costly wage is less than a big signing.

Another number of very expensive years talking about how we "get the best out of Pogba" while it never actually materialises. How many times do you have to see the same story until the message is received?

It would be a big, big mistake. His injuries are also a constant problem. Constant niggling injuries and this is his last big contract that will take his age to a stage where they might become even more frequent.
 
I’d like to see Pogba demonstrate some kind of commitment to the club on the pitch before we hand him a massive new contract. I realize the contract is on offer right now, but how about a show of iron balls — pull the offer back until the end of the season. If he puts in a proper shift and helps us go deep in the CL and/or secure fourth place, then we can talk contract terms.
 
glazed said:
Yeah have to agree. It could have worked out but it hasn't. He needs a team built around him and he's not good enough to justify that. And the top teams don't play that way anyhow. He won't get those wages elsewhere.
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Building a team around Pogba is actually the worst thing you can do. He's so inconsistent & unreliable that if he's in such an influential position, the team will be as inconsistent as him.

The ideal team for Pogba is where he's a complete fringe player. Where he's not one of the team's leaders, they're a top team without him and when he has a great game it's the cherry on top of an already great team. Also, when he has a terrible game it doesn't cripple his whole team.

He's not a leader, he's not reliable so you can't have him as a key player. Unfortunately United have paid him (and paid for him) as such. So they have a problem.

Time to move him on and make him someone else's problem.
 
He should move on as should we. Man started out so well, but as every damn year, he gets hurt.
 
RedCurry said:
I am not against Pogba because of his inconsistencies. I am against Pogba staying because of his agent and his injury record. We should say goodbye to him after this season and end this failed experiment.
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https://www.transfermarkt.com/paul-pogba/verletzungen/spieler/122153

Missed 84 games according to that site and still increasing everyday until he returns. Not looking good really. As a comparison Martial has 50 despite joining the club earlier than Pogba.
 
lex talionis said:
I’d like to see Pogba demonstrate some kind of commitment to the club on the pitch before we hand him a massive new contract.
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While commitment is nice and all there is a far more Basic metric he should be measured by...I’d just like to see him play like a player that is worth that type of massive contract. Seriously, what the fuk has the guy done to be even kept here let alone be given a raise?
 
POF said:
Building a team around Pogba is actually the worst thing you can do. He's so inconsistent & unreliable that if he's in such an influential position, the team will be as inconsistent as him.

The ideal team for Pogba is where he's a complete fringe player. Where he's not one of the team's leaders, they're a top team without him and when he has a great game it's the cherry on top of an already great team. Also, when he has a terrible game it doesn't cripple his whole team.

He's not a leader, he's not reliable so you can't have him as a key player. Unfortunately United have paid him (and paid for him) as such. So they have a problem.

Time to move him on and make him someone else's problem.
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Building a system around a superstar who doesn’t always commit to pressing, doesn’t track back but can occasion win you a game. Hmm… I think we do this with a chap named Ronaldo already.
Thanks Paul, we had fun with #Pogback while it lasted that first year. The rest of the time you have done nothing but continued to bat your eyelids at the likes of Juve and Madrid whilst putting in 8 out of 10 performances maybe once every 6 months. Now you know these clubs are prioritising elsewhere, you are ready to talk extension again?
Good riddance and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
 
Hammondo said:
They are not worth their wages tbh.
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Legitimately not interested in debating what people on this forum think they’re worth in terms of wages. I simply replied to the comical assertion that we shouldn’t go for the likes of Neymar, Pogba or Griezmann because apparently they care more about fame than football, when all three are better and more successful than most people that ever played the game professionally. It’s ridiculous.
 
Caesar2290 said:
In our own team? Bruno, Ronaldo, De Gea all of them had entire campaigns were they carried the team. Though the current version of Ronaldo who is underperforming is still our top scorer.

Pogba has yet to have a single season where he puts in consistent WC performances for us for the entire 38 games. He is the more talented version of Bailly at CM. Has 4-5 amazing games. Everyone thinks he's turning a corner and turning into this amazing player. Only to be followed by 2-3 abysmal performances and then getting injured.

This is the Bailly cycle, but this is also the Pogba cycle. The sooner more fans realize this, the better for our team.
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but surely you see what's wrong. 2 of them are attackers. They can play garbage and come up with a goal/assist contribution. It's not even a coincidence those two have come under criticism for their play over 90 minutes.

Second, of course Pogba can't carry a team. What kind of standard is that? Listen, if anyone says "build around pogba" I'd join you to fight them, I agree he isn't good enough for Manchester united to build around but to sell a player simply because of that makes no sense. Let's also sell Rashford, Sancho and every other high earning high profile united player who can't be built around. We are underperforming relative to other megagiants so of course any player with ambitions would want to leave. Freaking Bruno Fernandes who everyone loves is gearing up to do the same. Stay tuned for his own contract debcale. I'm not taking it personal because the club is a joke right now.
 
git_united said:
Who would you displace in Rangnick’s current 4-3-3 setup to make room for him?

Fred’s the obvious candidate I guess, and then you’d ask Bruno to do the Fred job with Pogba roaming free … I don’t know; not seeing it.
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Get Bruno out.
 
Let him leave on a free, the guy isn’t up for it, doesn’t fit in any system it seems and is always injured.

Also, please correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never seen him go off injured in an actual game. It’s always a behind the scenes injury which they say will keep him out for a few games, then he if off for 4 months. Comes b@ck for 8 games then the cycle repeats.

You begin to wonder if there’s not something else going on with him that necessitates keeping him out of the picture for long periods of time.
 
clarkydaz said:
The club offered him one, the damage is done. It's whether the player does us a favour and refuses it
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The club was always going to offer it, losing our £90m investment we made 5 years ago was never our preferred scenario. However it's hard to see him signing it now with just 5 months left.
 
dove said:
The club was always going to offer it, losing our £90m investment we made 5 years ago was never our preferred scenario. However it's hard to see him signing it now with just 5 months left.
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isnt 400k a week ontop just more fuel on the fire? Seems now if you sign a big deal in your early 20s at this club you are here for life regardless if you are fit, suit a system or respect the club. Would other clubs do this?
 
clarkydaz said:
isnt 400k a week ontop just more fuel on the fire? Seems now if you sign a big deal in your early 20s at this club you are here for life regardless if you are fit, suit a system or respect the club. Would other clubs do this?
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Yea, well we are desperate now to keep our "asset" so it was inevitable we will offer some stupid wages. And then those stupid wages leave us in situation we are now with quite a lot of our deadwood. Players don't want to take a pay cut to leave and at the same time nobody can offer the same terms we do. So once you sign for United, you are here for life pretty much yea, unless you really push to leave and take a pay cut.
 
dove said:
The club was always going to offer it, losing our £90m investment we made 5 years ago was never our preferred scenario. However it's hard to see him signing it now with just 5 months left.
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We lost out on our investment within 3years of Pogbas arrival when it became obvious he wasnt right for the club.
 
Esquire said:
Building a system around a superstar who doesn’t always commit to pressing, doesn’t track back but can occasion win you a game. Hmm… I think we do this with a chap named Ronaldo already.
Thanks Paul, we had fun with #Pogback while it lasted that first year. The rest of the time you have done nothing but continued to bat your eyelids at the likes of Juve and Madrid whilst putting in 8 out of 10 performances maybe once every 6 months. Now you know these clubs are prioritising elsewhere, you are ready to talk extension again?
Good riddance and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
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My words exactly. One Swallow doesnt make a Summer, but some people here seem to think in Pogbas case one good season makes a career!
 
lex talionis said:
I’d like to see Pogba demonstrate some kind of commitment to the club on the pitch before we hand him a massive new contract. I realize the contract is on offer right now, but how about a show of iron balls — pull the offer back until the end of the season. If he puts in a proper shift and helps us go deep in the CL and/or secure fourth place, then we can talk contract terms.
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The best thing Pogba can do for the club is to leave asap.
 
We can let him go for free now or give him a new contract and let him go for free when that one’s up because no one is ever going to buy him at this point.

But if it’s decided to go with the latter option, my expectations for next season would be in line with what we got out of him this one.
 
redmanx said:
The best thing Pogba can do for the club is to leave asap.
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Letting him leave on a free right now would be consistent with my proposal. If no one wants to pick up his current wages right now and if Pogba is unwilling to play for lower wages right now then he’s here through the end of the season. But what we can do right now is withdraw the current contract offer and if in June he has no suitors wetting their pants over him then we can choose to talk or not talk, but that’s a decision that can be made in June in light of how Pogba performs between now and June. If we believe he’s worth X in weekly wages then we offer X in weekly wages. We might even put in that offer, if there is even to be an offer, an expiry date of day two days. After that, the offer is withdrawn and we can go about our transfer business forthwith.
 


I guess United rejected these because they probably offered player swap (Rabiot or Ramsey) , but it is a sign Juventus will be back for him in the summer with a big contract if they can offload the expensive players.
 
What solutions do they need? He's free to go in the summer!

We don't want to take their unwanted crap thanks, we got enough of our own.
 
POF said:
Building a team around Pogba is actually the worst thing you can do.
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Yes I agree. It works for weaker leagues and it works in tournament football. It would also have worked better if he had a world class DM behind him which he's never had here but does with France.
 
Pintu said:


I guess United rejected these because they probably offered player swap (Rabiot or Ramsey) , but it is a sign Juventus will be back for him in the summer with a big contract if they can offload the expensive players.
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I'm guessing one is likely to be a loan with a loan fee and they cover his wages.
 
glazed said:
Yeah have to agree. It could have worked out but it hasn't. He needs a team built around him and he's not good enough to justify that. And the top teams don't play that way anyhow. He won't get those wages elsewhere.
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Manchester United are delighted to announce that-
 
Greck said:
but surely you see what's wrong. 2 of them are attackers. They can play garbage and come up with a goal/assist contribution. It's not even a coincidence those two have come under criticism for their play over 90 minutes.
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That is exactly my point. Consistency means coming up with goods even when you're out of form. Unless you're prime Messi or Ronaldo, no player performs consistently 38/38.

As for criticism, even Scholes, Keane and Robson would be criticised in todays game. Unless you're putting a 10/10 performance for 90 minutes for 38 straight games, there will alaways be a section fo the fans who will criticise you.

With that being said, nowhere did I ever mention
Greck said:
Second, of course Pogba can't carry a team. What kind of standard is that? Listen, if anyone says "build around pogba" I'd join you to fight them, I agree he isn't good enough for Manchester united to build around but to sell a player simply because of that makes no sense. Let's also sell Rashford, Sancho and every other high earning high profile united player who can't be built around. We are underperforming relative to other megagiants so of course any player with ambitions would want to leave. Freaking Bruno Fernandes who everyone loves is gearing up to do the same. Stay tuned for his own contract debcale. I'm not taking it personal because the club is a joke right now.
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What I did say though was that Pogba has very abysmal injury record that could rival Bailly's. He plays like Bailly as well: wildly inconsistent. As such, he doesn't warrant to be our top earner. Not even close. And the fact that no other football giant was willing to rival us, or offer more because he is a free agent kind of shows just how hyped and overrated Pogba is.

Personally I think he needs to be out the door simply because we need to restructure our wages if we're serious of becoming a well run football club again.

As for Bruno, are there any credible links that he wants to leave? His contract renewal is coming up and he is on less per week than AWB if memory serves. Now imagine what Bruno is going to demand if Pogba signs the new deal. We'll literally be shooting ourselves in the foot with this extension.
 
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