Joe Rogan

[Charlie Foley]

Some people complaining about cancelling seem to act like boycotting in a new thing and never have people previously boycotted things they disagree with for some reason.

At times some people I've seen arguing against cancel culture online have come across as if they think these companies and people have a right to our money without question. Not saying that's what is happening here in this thread, but it's worrying that people don't seem to think someone should make such decisions in line with their own values.

Dave Rubin once cried about people boycotting Chic-Fil-A because they were donating to anti LGBTQ groups. Rubin, who’s gay, said you should eat there because the chicken is good, not because of their politics.

he then called on people to boycott Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream because he hates Linda Sarsour.

THEN when Chick Fil A stopped giving money to certain groups, Dave Rubin got mad, went on Twitter and said he wasn’t eating there anymore

these people are grifters.

 

[sullydnl]

Some people complaining about cancelling seem to act like boycotting in a new thing and never have people previously boycotted things they disagree with for some reason.

At times some people I've seen arguing against cancel culture online have come across as if they think these companies and people have a right to our money without question. Not saying that's what is happening here in this thread, but it's worrying that people don't seem to think someone should make such decisions in line with their own values.

Yep.

On a similar note, I note people complaining about others being "offended" by Rogan, when in reality most of the people criticising him think he's a braindead idiot rather than offensive. Whatever happened to just being able to think someone is a cnut and wanting rid of them for that reason?

 

[DJ Jeff]

@Pogue Mahone @DJ Jeff if you haven’t already, then listen to ‘On the Beach’, which for me is Young’s best work. ‘Motion Pictures’ is one of the most beautiful and sad songs ever written.

Sorry for derailing!

Cinnamon Girl and Down By The River two incredible beauties from him

 

[RedC]

He is challenged. Did you listen to him when he listed out the people he's had on in relation to the vaccine and Covid in general? And the millions of people crying to see the end of him, are they not challenging him? It sounds like he's getting more than enough opposing views thrown way both on and off his podcast.

And what about CNN or Fox or GB news or any news channel who get a shitload wrong (often completely intentionally) on a regular basis? What do you want to do about them?

The world can't be policed and regulated until the absolutely everyone is safe from any possible shred of inaccurate news that's out there.

Rogan's made an incredibly successful podcast for himself. People can say whatever they like about him. He's an undercover alt-right Bernie Sanders voter. Grand. But if Spotify want to give him 100m that's their right and they should be under no pressure to end their business with him. It's preposterous.

Make your mind up, you want a corporation to be able to pay whoever they want; but the consumers that fund that corporation aren't allowed to influence it? Bit of a contradiction, isn't it?

 

[moses]

Cinnamon Girl and Down By The River two incredible beauties from him

Without a doubt. The long versions of course.

 

[moses]

Yep.

On a similar note, I note people complaining about others being "offended" by Rogan, when in reality most of the people criticising him think he's a braindead idiot rather than offensive. Whatever happened to just being able to think someone is a cnut and wanting rid of them for that reason?

Yeah Rogan is not offensive, he's just thick and bewilderingly popular and therefore a bit dangerous. It's like the reasons we have laws and ethics to try and make the papers print the truth. Lies can be dangerous.

 

[WI_Red]

The last few pages of this thread are just weird. The only living creature who is as devoted to me as some of you fanboys are to Rogan is my dog. I will never understand anyone who can continue to support anyone who has said some of the things he has and is as dangerous as he is due to his combination of wrongheadedness and reach. Just weird.

 

[Charlie Foley]

The last few pages of this thread are just weird. The only living creature who is as devoted to me as some of you fanboys are to Rogan is my dog. I will never understand anyone who can continue to support anyone who has said some of the things he has and is as dangerous as he is due to his combination of wrongheadedness and reach. Just weird.

Don’t slander a poor dog like that

 

[WI_Red]

Don’t slander a poor dog like that

What can I say, she has just as poor judgement as the fanboys.

 

[The Firestarter]

What can I say, she has just as poor judgement as the fanboys.

Who's a good fanboii

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Cinnamon Girl and Down By The River two incredible beauties from him

One on the first songs I taught myself on the guitar (in the days when it was actually kind of tricky and not just browsing tab music on app!)

 

[Mihai]

the Eve 6 guy had a good thread on twitter about spotify pricing. They are some bastards to musicians.

Barely Sociable has a great video on it as well, imo

 

[calodo2003]

the Eve 6 guy had a good thread on twitter about spotify pricing. They are some bastards to musicians.

How so? I have no idea how this works.

 

[fishfingers15]

Because he has earned it.

Edit: I am a fan because he elevated podcast game to what it is now. He wasn't the pioneer but certainly increased popularity of long conversations. Through him I have learned about people I'd never heard before or did not pay enough attention to. People like: Graham Hancock, Rhonda Patrick, Andrew Huberman, Garrett Reisman. He also had political candidates that I liked like Bernie Sanders and Andrew Young. I also liked Tulsi but lately she has been sort of a whack. Some of his podcasts were a total masterclass of amazing conversation through which a lot can be learned.

His list of guests over the years has been absolutely amazing. Episode with Brian Cox was phenomenal, phenomenal.
No mainstream journalist is capable of doing a podcast like this. If there is one, I am welcoming recommendations.

The guy has 2-3 hour conversation with someone 4-6 times a week. Sometimes he does two podcasts in a day.

This new culture where speech is elevated to weaponry and where everyone is looking for a simplest solution - ban/cancel/deplatform - when they hear something they don't like is sickening. There are plenty of people I don't like but I don't pay attention to them.

And those two latest controversial guests: Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Peter McCullough. He could have done without them. Some wild claims by these two dudes. I couldn't even listen to Malone as he sounded butthurt because others made money from technology he worked on or claims to have invented it. The other was far more convincing but if you read this, it looks that a lot of claims were either inaccurate, false or unsupported: https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...ims-about-the-covid-19-pandemic-and-vaccines/

I strongly despise censorship as I think dangers from censorship are greater than few doctors spreading misinformation. Kyle K. explained my position very well, far better than I can: I advise everyone to watch it. It is long, but worth watching.

First up, Nobody denies that Joe Rogan has a successful podcast and he helped popularize the longform podcast genre and that's why he's got the Spotify exclusive contract for a lot of money. Nobody here says that he never produced anything interesting. I started reading Famous Seven when I was little and thought they were the best detective books ever, till I grew up and re-read them again after understanding racism a bit more and the clear racial undertones of Enid Blyton's novels. I've moved on from Enid Blyton and don't go around harassing Barnes and Nobles stores and Amazon for carrying her work. Not once in this thread I've suggested that we should de-platform Joe Rogan but the danger he poses is real, with his constant misinformation campaign. I think the others have said it better, I thought Joe Rogan's podcasts have become dated for a while and that's even when he was acting the "bernie bro" and I like Bernie.

Second, you are being either obtuse or intentionally vague about Joe Rogan's stance here. You've made it sound like it's all down to two controversial guests. It is not limited to just that. It's also mainly because what Joe Rogan believes in. Look at his tweets, his ramblings and the guests he wants to have on the show especially concerning Covid19. Here we have a guy saying ignorantly racist stuff, spreading misinformation about a pandemic disease and all you can say is "I listened to some episodes and they were great and I will fight for him to be on Spotify because he earned it?"

As far as I understand, nobody is telling Joe Rogan not to say anything. Even the "Cancel Joe Rogan" bros are only targeting the medium he uses, like Spotify or Youtube. In a way, it's not even censorship that you have a problem with you, you want Joe Rogan to have the platform with the maximum reach and continue to engage in what he's doing now. I personally think that's really idiotic but to each his own.

 

[fishfingers15]

Good post. And exactly right- with Rogan it's always been about the guests. The only reason I'd ever watch a Rogan podcast is because of the guest! I mean, why else?! It's the same with Conan O'Brian's podcast, or Lex Friedman's, or Theo Von's. The only other podcasts I listen to are Tim Dillon and Bill Burr, and occasionally Chris D'elia, because of their endless rambling which is hilarious.

People need to calm down.

Thought you hate Joe Rogan and wanted him banned from spotify and other platforms blah de blah while meeting a ton of loud mouthed guys without a solution in your high pressure work environment? Why waste swear words on you?

 

[Raoul]

The trouble with many of these podcasts is that a casual user can get all kinds of conflicting information from them, which often winds up being more convoluting than informative. On the topic of diet specifically, I've been listening to David Sinclair, as well as various vegan podcasts, each of which approach nutrition from a different perspective on the topic of longevity. Imagine compounding that with every topic ranging from politics to sleep to fitness to diet. Even worse, many of the podcast hosts invite other popular podcasters onto their shows to provide content and give the guest podcaster a bit of promotional airtime, which then gets reciprocated the other way. Ultimately, this all ends up creating a lot of confusing narratives for audiences while obviously lining the pockets of podcasters through Youtube, book sales, subscription services etc. This is why I'm not entirely sold on the value and utility of podcasting as a whole, and Rogan is merely the tip of the iceberg in this regard.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The trouble with many of these podcasts is that a casual user can get all kinds of conflicting information from them, which often winds up being more convoluting than informative. On the topic of diet specifically, I've been listening to David Sinclair, as well as various vegan podcasts, each of which approach nutrition from a different perspective on the topic of longevity. Imagine compounding that with every topic ranging from politics to sleep to fitness to diet. Even worse, many of the podcast hosts invite other popular podcasters onto their shows to provide content and give the guest podcaster a bit of promotional airtime, which then gets reciprocated the other way. Ultimately, this all ends up creating a lot of confusing narratives for audiences while obviously lining the pockets of podcasters through Youtube, book sales, subscription services etc. This is why I'm not entirely sold on the value and utility of podcasting as a whole, and Rogan is merely the tip of the iceberg in this regard.

Don’t get me started on the absolute fecking dumpster fire that is the world of nutrition gurus. At least with vaccines there’s some solid scientific evidence to use an anchor. Do the benefits of vaccines outweigh the risk for the vast majority of adults? Yes they absolutely do. Anyone who says otherwise is a charlatan. Conversely all of the “science” around nutrition is based on deeply flawed research which can’t be taken seriously for anything other than the really obvious stuff. Calories in vs calories out. Try to meet your RDA for micronutrients.

The rest is all varying shades of egregious bollox with an insanely successful industry of grifters, quacks and shysters built up around it. No wonder Rogan’s gone balls deep on a number of occasions.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

He's got good guests and conversations that can be fairly interesting and informative vs the bland, generic shit you hear on CNN or Oprah. He's had some interesting guests like Matt Taibbi, Steven Pinker, Jocko Willink, Peter Attia, Snoop Dogg, Chuck Palahniuk, Sanjay Gupta, Josh Dubin, Bert Kreischer, Bret Weinstein, Rhonda Patrick, Neill Blomkamp, Lex Fridman, Andrew Huberman, Michael Pollan, Quentin Tarantino, David Sinclair, Kyle Kulinski, David Lee Roth, Neil de Grasse, Russell Peters, Dave Chappelle, Action Bronson, Alex Honnold, Marcus Luttrell, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Elon Musk, Ali Siddiq, Tulsi Gabbard, Bernie Sanders, Ira Glasser, Lawrence Wright, Bill Burr, Matthew Yglesias, Mike Judge, Nick Christakis, Mike Baker, Tristan Harris, Gad Saad, Glenn Greenwald, Kanye West, Matthew McConaughey, Edward Snowden, Mike Tyson, David Blaine, Oliver Stone, Bob Saget, Jon Stewart, Krystal & Saagar, Stephen Dubner, Brian Greene, Mike Baker, Bill Maher, Robert Downey Jr, Pavel Tsatsouline, Firas Zahabi, Malcolm Gladwell, Edward Norton, Richard Dawkins, Penn Jillette, Maynard James Keenan, Cornel West, Naval Ravikant, Wiz Kahlifa, Laird Hamilton, Eddie Izzard, Anthony Jesselnik, Russell Brand, Gabby Reece, Lennox Lewis, Jack Dorsey, Andrew Yang, Sam Harris, Killer Mike, Sir Roger Penrose etc in the last 2 years alone. Plenty of interesting guests/conversations/nuggets of wisdom to draw off those 3+hours conversations with each guest.

I don't even think he's particularly bright, nor insightful as a host but somehow his show works - for the most part.

I wholeheartedly disagree with his vaccine stance, but people have a right to have conversations you may disagree about. Science is changing, evolving, imperfect, and the process of scientific discovery hardly linear. Which is perfectly fine. Scientists disagree all the time, so bring on the debate.

This whole backlash is frustration that we're 2 years into Covid with no end in sight - and the realization that lockdowns might have been all for naught.

When his show has worked in the past, it's due to the guests he had on not that he himself is interesting. Most of that list you mentioned, are very interesting people that many would want to listen to no matter where they were, although feck Bret Weinstein, that guy is an absolute tool and a complete bore (and boor).

The reason his show is not working now is because now, he's clearly pushing a wacko agenda and propping up a bunch of anti-vax idiots.

 

[ChaddyP]

Personally thought this was a pretty nuanced response from Trevor Noah. I'm sure people in here will disagree and talk trash about some shit that Trevor said that they don't agree with, but he articulated how I feel about this whole thing Better than I could.

 

[calodo2003]

Personally thought this was a pretty nuanced response from Trevor Noah. I'm sure people in here will disagree and talk trash about some shit that Trevor said that they don't agree with, but he articulated how I feel about this whole thing Better than I could.

Not working for me.

 

[ChaddyP]

Not working for me.

Fixed I think

 

[ExoduS]

The trouble with many of these podcasts is that a casual user can get all kinds of conflicting information from them, which often winds up being more convoluting than informative. On the topic of diet specifically, I've been listening to David Sinclair, as well as various vegan podcasts, each of which approach nutrition from a different perspective on the topic of longevity. Imagine compounding that with every topic ranging from politics to sleep to fitness to diet. Even worse, many of the podcast hosts invite other popular podcasters onto their shows to provide content and give the guest podcaster a bit of promotional airtime, which then gets reciprocated the other way. Ultimately, this all ends up creating a lot of confusing narratives for audiences while obviously lining the pockets of podcasters through Youtube, book sales, subscription services etc. This is why I'm not entirely sold on the value and utility of podcasting as a whole, and Rogan is merely the tip of the iceberg in this regard.

That trouble is solved by freedom each one of us have - to not listen.

 

[ExoduS]

Personally thought this was a pretty nuanced response from Trevor Noah. I'm sure people in here will disagree and talk trash about some shit that Trevor said that they don't agree with, but he articulated how I feel about this whole thing Better than I could.

This was very, very good. Thank you for sharing.

 

[NotThatSoph]

That trouble is solved by freedom each one of us have - to not listen.

People also have freedom to say things. I think it's called speech. It's a pretty important right, even when they say things you don't like about Rogan or Spotify.

 

[ExoduS]

People also have freedom to say things. I think it's called speech. It's a pretty important right, even when they say things you don't like about Rogan or Spotify.

I didn't say to anyone here to "shut up" did I?

 

[NotThatSoph]

I didn't say to anyone here to "shut up" did I?

No, but it's another possible solution to the trouble that you failed to mention, and it's using one of the most important freedoms to stand up to power in society; big corporations and big money. And when I say another solution I actually mean a solution, because not listening isn't solving it.

 

[Bosws87]

The trouble with many of these podcasts is that a casual user can get all kinds of conflicting information from them, which often winds up being more convoluting than informative. On the topic of diet specifically, I've been listening to David Sinclair, as well as various vegan podcasts, each of which approach nutrition from a different perspective on the topic of longevity. Imagine compounding that with every topic ranging from politics to sleep to fitness to diet. Even worse, many of the podcast hosts invite other popular podcasters onto their shows to provide content and give the guest podcaster a bit of promotional airtime, which then gets reciprocated the other way. Ultimately, this all ends up creating a lot of confusing narratives for audiences while obviously lining the pockets of podcasters through Youtube, book sales, subscription services etc. This is why I'm not entirely sold on the value and utility of podcasting as a whole, and Rogan is merely the tip of the iceberg in this regard.

Like nearly every form of media since forever.

 

[Raoul]

Like nearly every form of media since forever.

Except it wasn't too much of a problem pre-social media since there were so few sources. Now there are a seemingly infinite amount on YouTube, IG, and elsewhere.

 

[Bosws87]

Except it wasn't too much of a problem pre-social media since there were so few sources. Now there are a seemingly infinite amount on YouTube, IG, and elsewhere.

Which also gives the individual a chance to seek out the truth and there's also a huge number of sources to point people in the correct direction, we no longer have to just take the BBC's version of events for facts.

plenty of positives to go along with the negatives, i don't think there's anyway of helping people if they just believe whatever's put in front of them especially now there's never been a better time in history to search out the facts.

I don't think there is a solution to weed out the people that will believe crap its been a problem forever, from people blaming movies and video games for their actions to people blaming a mediocre comedian for peoples thoughts on vaccination.

 

[Tarrou]

Which also gives the individual a chance to seek out the truth and there's also a huge number of sources to point people in the correct direction, we no longer have to just take the BBC's version of events for facts.

plenty of positives to go along with the negatives, i don't think there's anyway of helping people if they just believe whatever's put in front of them especially now there's never been a better time in history to search out the facts.

I don't think there is a solution to weed out the people that will believe crap its been a problem forever, from people blaming movies and video games for their actions to people blaming a mediocre comedian for peoples thoughts on vaccination.

giving individuals more freedom to seek out the truth is great, but the net result of the internet is still that more people believe false things

misinformation might have been a problem forever, but never on this scale or anywhere near it.. people are being drip-fed information eight hours a day, every day

some are being radicalised by the internet and we're only starting to see the consequences, and who knows where this all leads

we need to come up with better solutions to this problem, just waving it away and saying this has already existed is not the answer in my opinion

 

[Raoul]

Which also gives the individual a chance to seek out the truth and there's also a huge number of sources to point people in the correct direction, we no longer have to just take the BBC's version of events for facts.

plenty of positives to go along with the negatives, i don't think there's anyway of helping people if they just believe whatever's put in front of them especially now there's never been a better time in history to search out the facts.

I don't think there is a solution to weed out the people that will believe crap its been a problem forever, from people blaming movies and video games for their actions to people blaming a mediocre comedian for peoples thoughts on vaccination.

All it does is compartmentalize people into groupthink echo chambers unfortunately. People are therefore only incentivized to find truth within agreeable bubbles of likeminded people, often at the expense of no longer being able to find common ground with opposing sides. It has caused more bad than good so far imo.

 

[Bosws87]

giving individuals more freedom to seek out the truth is great, but the net result of the internet is still that more people believe false things

misinformation might have been a problem forever, but never on this scale or anywhere near it.. people are being drip-fed information eight hours a day, every day

some are being radicalised by the internet and we're only starting to see the consequences, and who knows where this all leads

we need to come up with better solutions to this problem, just waving it away and saying this has already existed is not the answer in my opinion

As long as the solution isn't the tech companies who own these platforms deciding what is right or wrong as that's just as terrible as we are seeing currently.

I don't believe there is a solution without giving up some of the freedoms now its your call if that's a sacrifice worth making, me as an individual i wouldn't want it changed on a mass population scale maybe a different belief.

 

[RedC]

Which also gives the individual a chance to seek out the truth and there's also a huge number of sources to point people in the correct direction, we no longer have to just take the BBC's version of events for facts.

plenty of positives to go along with the negatives, i don't think there's anyway of helping people if they just believe whatever's put in front of them especially now there's never been a better time in history to search out the facts.

I don't think there is a solution to weed out the people that will believe crap its been a problem forever, from people blaming movies and video games for their actions to people blaming a mediocre comedian for peoples thoughts on vaccination.

A lot of these individuals are too thick to find the right stuff to listen to, and end up filling their brains with nonsense because it's put forward in a manipulative way. Say what you want about the BBC or the long standing, main stream information sources, they have always had some form of accountability and fact checking behind them. Today anyone can find some looper spouting theories and citing other loopers, and people can burrow their way into rabbit holes of misinformation. Just brushing this off as the cost of doing business in the age of the internet makes no sense, there needs to be accountability for the huge entities(in terms of followers) providing information in this era.

 

[maniak]

In what world do some people live in where the general public listens to something dumb/false from someone they like and immediately proceed to do some research to figure out if that was in fact true or not?

 

[ChaddyP]

In what world do some people live in where the general public listens to something dumb/false from someone they like and immediately proceed to do some research to figure out if that was in fact true or not?

Dunno bout the general public but my son does this to me constantly ... Tried to do the Santa Claus con and little man wasn't having it

 

[maniak]

Dunno bout the general public but my son does this to me constantly ... Tried to do the Santa Claus con and little man wasn't having it

Maybe he doesn't like you, ever thought of that?

 

[Bosws87]

In what world do some people live in where the general public listens to something dumb/false from someone they like and immediately proceed to do some research to figure out if that was in fact true or not?

On an individual level plenty of people, on a mass population scale maybe not so much.

 

[ChaddyP]

Maybe he doesn't like you, ever thought of that?

Nah he told me he loves me. and therefore I believe him. 6 year olds Never lie

 

[maniak]

On an individual level plenty of people, on a mass population scale maybe not so much.

I'm not convinced but it's just my gut feeling.

 

[maniak]

Nah he told me he loves me. and therefore I believe him. 6 year olds Never lie

Sweet summer child.