Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

[Hugh Jass]

Watched it as the United match wasnt on. Impressed with PSG. Dominated possession wise. Better chance wise in the second half. Saved penalty as well.

I imagine though Madrid will be all over them in the bernabeu.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Couldn't watch their game vs Real but according to stats and everything written on here and Twitter it seems like PSG dominated the game. Winning only 1-0 may cost them in the end though and there's no away goal rule anymore. Hopefully PSG go through. Don't care much about them but like Poch as a manager (even if I have some doubts over him) and would be nice to see his team go far in the competition again.

 

[Oly Francis]

Couldn't watch their game vs Real but according to stats and everything written on here and Twitter it seems like PSG dominated the game. Winning only 1-0 may cost them in the end though and there's no away goal rule anymore. Hopefully PSG go through. Don't care much about them but like Poch as a manager (even if I have some doubts over him) and would be nice to see his team go far in the competition again.

A couple of things go our way though :
- Mendy and Casimero will be suspended for the 2nd leg, and Casemiro is VERY important in their team balance. Also, it might force Alaba on the left and Nacho is a pretty meh center back
- Ancelotti only plays with 12-13 players, he doesn't rotate much. Real dropped important points lately so they'll have to be serious in La Liga when we don't really have to do that in Ligue 1.

Things that can go against us :
- Benzema and Vinicius can't be worst than tonight. It was good ol' 2020 Vini.

 

[ti vu]

Watched it as the United match wasnt on. Impressed with PSG. Dominated possession wise. Better chance wise in the second half. Saved penalty as well.

I imagine though Madrid will be all over them in the bernabeu.

Unfortunately, I don't see where the fire power for that would come from. Benzema just returned from injury and no sure whether he could be in top form. He was invisible tonight.

Vinicius Jr had been good for them this season, but tonight he showed nothing. Casemiro will miss the return leg. Kroos was awful tonight and has been the case for a while now, and Modric is old. Individual quality wise, RM already lost. Tactic wise, RM doesn't have other option either. X factor wise, they no longer have clutch players like Ronaldo, Sergio Ramos for those few game changing moment.

Unless PSG star players catch illness and become unavailable, they're favorite coming into the second leg.

 

[alexthelion]

Sorry but I don’t have any of that. It’s constant shite posting and adds nothing to the discussion. It’s obvious what is going on and I’m surprised it’s allowed to go on.

Agreed, it should have been stopped long ago.

 

[anant]

Pochettino still had better result than tuchel, look at the previous post on this topic. I am not going to waste my time on it. @TheGame you add nothing to this discussion.

Your point was Lille didnt drop any points, but they did drop plenty of points. So, unless you want to keep shifting goalposts, I dont see the point of this reply

 

[Sayros]

A couple of things go our way though :
- Mendy and Casimero will be suspended for the 2nd leg, and Casemiro is VERY important in their team balance. Also, it might force Alaba on the left and Nacho is a pretty meh center back
- Ancelotti only plays with 12-13 players, he doesn't rotate much. Real dropped important points lately so they'll have to be serious in La Liga when we don't really have to do that in Ligue 1.

Things that can go against us :
- Benzema and Vinicius can't be worst than tonight. It was good ol' 2020 Vini.

You nailed it. Anything can happen at the Bernabeu, but without Casemiro and Mendy, it's already a huge impact on the game. Benzema should be more fit, which could make a world of difference but they are going to struggle to contain PSG's counter-attack, especially if Neymar is on form and doesn't stick to the ball too much.

It's just mind-boggling how poor and disjointed they can look in Ligue 1 and how in control they can be against a Madrid side that pretty much had its full starting line up, although not at 100%.

 

[Amadaeus]

Your point was Lille didnt drop any points, but they did drop plenty of points. So, unless you want to keep shifting goalposts, I dont see the point of this reply

I know it hurts a lot of people on here when they see Pochettino doing well, but this is getting embarrassing. Lille only lost 3 games that season, so unless the metrics for point dropping has change or has a set figure then, the point dropped wasn't that significant. The overall point was still people blaming poch, but overlooking tuchel result in the first half of the season. But then again, as other as mentioned the hate is so strong that people are desperate to find anyway to criticise Pochettino without proper context.

Anyway this topic has ran it course and I have argued it endlessly before. Only reason I respond to it because thegame taught I intentionally ignoring that post. If anyone want to discuss this topic more, everything been said in the first time it was bought up.

Back to the present, what impressed me the most about the result today was the control and pressing Pochettino implemented. He seems to find a way to work around Messi, poor work ethic by making Verratti be the mid that press higher. That is a brilliant move that goes unnoticed as Verratti typically plays deeper. Verratti must have ran a marathon today. His contributions will go unnoticed again and unappreciated. Moreover, how Danilo will cover for hakimi so hakimi could be higher up the pitch. That was a great balance he achieved with what he had. Pochettino showing once again how brilliant a tactician is. going into next leg, I don't see how Messi eould fit into that team unless by name only. Their next game in the league will be an important one to see how well Messi, mbappe and neymar work together and see if it will be a cause for concern due to their poor off ball work ethic

 

[anant]

I know it hurts a lot of people on here when they see Pochettino doing well, but this is getting embarrassing. Lille only lost 3 games that season, so unless the metrics for point dropping has change or has a set figure then, the point dropped wasn't that significant. The overall point was still people blaming poch, but overlooking tuchel result in the first half of the season. But then again, as other as mentioned the hate is so strong that people are desperate to find anyway to criticise Pochettino without proper context.

Last I heard, points dropped included both losses AND draws. Maybe Ligue 1 might have decided to change the rules. Not keeping up with that.

When TT left, PSG were 1 point behind Lille with 21 games to play. And Lille - a team with fraction of budget as PSG - went on to drop 16 points and PSG still couldn't win the league.

 

[Pickle85]

That’s a good point and I honestly have no idea. Just end up responding so don’t help myself.

I feel your pain man. There are so many threads that I know it's not worth getting involved in yet still I do!

 

[NoPace]

I think he did the logical thing and used Mendes and Hakimi as wing backs to have some pace with Messi's legs being gone, and compensating by asking Danilo to do 2 jobs at once (RCB when they have the ball, and RCM when they don't). We don't have Marco Verrati so it's not like we can play this way, but he could have fecked things up and didn't, so that's something.

 

[jackal&hyde]

They played well so credit to him for it.

 

[romufc]

They literally dominated Real all evening. Real had no real chances in the game, it was a brilliant tactical set up.

 

[horsechoker]

Do we like Cappuccino or not? I can't keep up.

Yeah it's nice in the morning

 

[SirSean]

I am definitly not convinced that Pochettino is the right man for United. Far from it. We haven't had a manager with iron-fist in a long time (and no, Mourinho wasn't that) and I see Erik Ten-Hag with a lot more of that, than Pochettino who seems too soft. PSG weren't playing fantastically last night despite their many chances - they looked like some of the best United matches under Ole, where the individuals all spark on the same day, but it's not down to pattern of play or proper cohesion, which I find a lot more of from Pep, Klopp, Tuchecl and Ten-Hag (still not sure if that is down to him or Ajax as a club with a strong philosophy) - even Potter has more cohesion in his team, that Poch with PSG in my opinion.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

They literally dominated Real all evening. Real had no real chances in the game, it was a brilliant tactical set up.

He’s so underrated by some people it’s unreal. Completely outdid the team that’s top of La Liga, better finishing (which he can’t control) and the tie could be over.

 

[Real Name]

I like Poch and all but your posts just make people want to dislike him. That's how shit your posts are.

This in a nutshell, this thread would have been a lot more normal and balanced if it wasnt for his constant wumming.

 

[Foozballer]

So you think Potter would do a better job managing PSG than Poch? Mental.
I’ve been a Southampton supporter forever.We’ve had good managers over the past few years but he’s on another level to the others.

 

[Paxi]

Praise the Lord.

 

[DJ_21]

Seems like it’s going to be a battle for the managers in the summer. Pochettino side outclassed Real Madrid and it looks like Madrid could try and get him next season if they knock out madrid and ancelotti gets sacked. Pochettino to madrid leaves the door open for us to get ten Haag. Happy days!

 

[Zaphod2319]

The post doesn't prove me wrong. When tuchel drop as much point as poch did, how can you blame one manager and not the other? In fact, as stated poch gotten better result when he took over. All it takes is for you to look back into this thread where we had the same discussion before.

The same Tuchel that took them to the finals of the CL the previous year, and then turned around Chelsea and won the CL is who you want to blame? Odd take, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[WeePat]

The same Tuchel that took them to the finals of the CL the previous year, and then turned around Chelsea and won the CL is who you want to blame? Odd take, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

It seems like he views any post that isn't in complete adulation of Poch as some kind of scathing attack on him. Tuchel wasn't great during his portion of the season. I was trying to divvy up the blame between them as they both had half a season each and both ended their portion of the season 1 point behind Lille. It makes zero sense to lay the entire blame on one coach as he was trying to do.

 

[stefan92]

Tuchel at PSG, all games combined: 2.35 points per game
Pochettino: 2.23 ppg

It's true that his last half season wasn't great, but overall Tuchel still did a better job.

That's not to say Poch is doing a bad job either, it is still quite good, just not exceptional.

 

[Zaphod2319]

It seems like he views any post that isn't in complete adulation of Poch as some kind of scathing attack on him. Tuchel wasn't great during his portion of the season. I was trying to divvy up the blame between them as they both had half a season each and both ended their portion of the season 1 point behind Lille. It makes zero sense to lay the entire blame on one coach as he was trying to do.

You can say that Tuchel's first half contributed, but when you inherit a team with that much more talent compared to the rest of the league one point behind first with half a season to go, you have to own the finish.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Praise the Lord.

One thing from that tweet immediately makes me doubt the reliability.

And thats the ‘@MiguelDelaney’ at the end of it.

 

[Paxi]

One thing from that tweet immediately makes me doubt the reliability.

And thats the ‘@MiguelDelaney’ at the end of it.

True.

 

[432JuanMata]

Tuchel at PSG, all games combined: 2.35 points per game
Pochettino: 2.23 ppg

It's true that his last half season wasn't great, but overall Tuchel still did a better job.

That's not to say Poch is doing a bad job either, it is still quite good, just not exceptional.

I wouldn’t go by this as PSG have the league wrapped by so dropped points mean nothing it’s all CL.
Tuchel got them to the final so I’m not saying Poch has done better just have to see how they do from here on in this season

 

[pocco]

They were great last night. Completely dominated Real Madrid. Pochettino with his "basic tactics". You've got to laugh.

We'll regret it if he goes Real because he'll probably win some stuff this season at PSG, win stuff at Real, then the narrative will be completely different and everyone will be calling for Arnold's head when we win feck all.

 

[pocco]

I am definitly not convinced that Pochettino is the right man for United. Far from it. We haven't had a manager with iron-fist in a long time (and no, Mourinho wasn't that) and I see Erik Ten-Hag with a lot more of that, than Pochettino who seems too soft. PSG weren't playing fantastically last night despite their many chances - they looked like some of the best United matches under Ole, where the individuals all spark on the same day, but it's not down to pattern of play or proper cohesion, which I find a lot more of from Pep, Klopp, Tuchecl and Ten-Hag (still not sure if that is down to him or Ajax as a club with a strong philosophy) - even Potter has more cohesion in his team, that Poch with PSG in my opinion.

Christ. Real are no mugs and, on paper, PSG aren't much better if it all. They dominated and practically suffocated Real in an embarrassing fashion. I thought it'd be more even but that it wasn't is a testament to Poch and their players. They worked hard and seemed to carry out a gameplan for once. Perhaps now they'll buy into it a bit more and start to look good.

The way they played most of the game was how his Spurs team played us. Kept us pinned back, win back the ball and sweep up every clearance and attack again. His tactics are exciting and unrelenting when they're at their best. I honestly think our supporters would enjoy his football if he could implement it here.

 

[Samid]

Please Flo Perez, do the right thing for once.

 

[pocco]

Please Flo Perez, do the right thing for once.

You'd think he'd want ETH if he's the only manager in the Pep/Klopp bracket. Real usually don't feck about and go straight for the best.

 

[Caesar2290]

Christ. Real are no mugs and, on paper, PSG aren't much better if it all. They dominated and practically suffocated Real in an embarrassing fashion. I thought it'd be more even but that it wasn't is a testament to Poch and their players. They worked hard and seemed to carry out a gameplan for once. Perhaps now they'll buy into it a bit more and start to look good.

The way they played most of the game was how his Spurs team played us. Kept us pinned back, win back the ball and sweep up every clearance and attack again. His tactics are exciting and unrelenting when they're at their best. I honestly think our supporters would enjoy his football if he could implement it here.

So basically what you're telling me is that his players only perform when they feel like it or when their ego is on the line. And you think that is somehow what United needs right now, considering our players' attitude is a carbon copy of PSG's.

We've had this pattern since the good old Mourinho days. Ralf is the first coach to start breaking it up. What we need is continuity. Hence why we need a more disciplinarian coach, as opposed to Poch's holistic approach to man management.

Also keep in mind that this is a transitioning Real Madrid still coming off the sale of Ronaldo and loss of Varane and Ramos who are managed by a past it coach. Not taking anything away from Poch, but it was expected for a team that has a front 3 worth more than half a billion. We all saw what happened earlier in the season when they faced off against stronger opposition in City what happened.

You'd think he'd want ETH if he's the only manager in the Pep/Klopp bracket. Real usually don't feck about and go straight for the best.

Real have a football corporate mindset. It's results now or out the door. They don't have time to build a legacy, hence they were never in for the likes of Klopp, etc

 

[ronaldinhoisagoat]

I want Poch as our manager next season, but this game against Madrid has no bearing on my feelings. Madrid are not the same team as a few seasons ago. Their Liga results are good but nothing exceptional in terms of goal scoring and teams consistently carve-out chances against them. Their form in the last 5 games is also iffy.

In the R16 stage, only Sporting, Salzburg, Villareal, Lille, United and Benfica (6 teams) are objectively weaker than them. I consider Inter, Juventus, Atletico and Ajax (4 teams) at around their level, as in I won't be surprised if they beat Madrid.

Poch's games against City/Pool/Bayern/Chelsea is what he should be judged on, if anything.

 

[giorno]

Prepared the game well yesterday, we had no answer to them. Only mistake he made was not playing a CF, could have ended the tie if he did. But that's as much the club's fault as his own honestly. Can't exactly drop Messi and that forces his hand

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Tuchel at PSG, all games combined: 2.35 points per game. Pochettino: 2.23 ppg.
It's true that his last half season wasn't great, but overall Tuchel still did a better job.

This is an incredibly small difference.

In Ligue 1 they have practically the same ppg, 2.365 Tuchel, 2.355 Poch.

 

[Pintu]

This is an incredibly small difference.

In Ligue 1 they have practically the same ppg, 2.365 Tuchel, 2.355 Poch.

Tuchel has 2.44 in the league from his first 2 seasons.

The first half of last season hurts Tuchel's statistics unfairly. The championship started when Paris was still playing the CL. They had to give their players one week's rest and got them back with many covid cases. They then lost the first 2 games of the season to Lens and Marseille.

 

[stefan92]

This is an incredibly small difference.

In Ligue 1 they have practically the same ppg, 2.365 Tuchel, 2.355 Poch.

True. Neither is building absolute league juggernauts like Pep's City or Klopp's Liverpool, but Tuchel just edges it in the cup competitions (which he keeps on doing at Chelsea) while Poch so far hasn't impressed in that regard.

And this is why I wouldn't trust Poch to win stuff with a PL club. He won't beat the big two in the league, and he doesn't seem to have a knack for cup competitions to win at least these (well, "at least" is a bit of understatement in regard to the CL).

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Tuchel has 2.44 in the league from his first 2 seasons.

The first half of last season hurts Tuchel's statistics unfairly. The championship started when Paris was still playing the CL. They had to give their players one week's rest and got them back with many covid cases. They then lost the first 2 games of the season to Lens and Marseille.

Eh? You cannot just cut out a whole section of stats for w/e reason, they have to be included. It's like picking a period of whoever's worst run of results, excluding it, then concocting some reason.

 

[Zaphod2319]

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Tuchel has 2.44 in the league from his first 2 seasons.
The first half of last season hurts Tuchel's statistics unfairly. The championship started when Paris was still playing the CL. They had to give their players one week's rest and got them back with many covid cases. They then lost the first 2 games of the season to Lens and Marseille.

The difference between 2.44 and 2.35 is 0.09. That's 1 more point every 11 games. Comes out to 3.42 more points per season. A fluke win covers more than half of that, it's within what one might call "a reasonable margin of error."