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I would ask what are these countries doing to help their citizens who are stranded there? Usually in times of crisis dipomatic missions do what they can to get their people out.

I agree, I am not saying it's just pure racism or something. It needs to be explained from all ends - I've not heard (unless missed and easily could have as they may be drowned out) much from those countries where the citizens are impacted

Either way, if it's meant as a humanitarian crisis/escape, it shouldn't really matter too much who it is especially if some places are supposedly saying they don't care about paperwork and it's just getting people out
 
Impossible to state that as a fact. While the risk may be low you can never predict what will happen under such circumstances we face today in particular with a lunatic being backed into a corner.
He's not a lunatic. Sociopath for sure but he has nothing like the impulsive nature of someone like trump.
 
Does anyone know the actual process? Like I believe that there are all sorts of protocols to follow, most of which would certainly trigger warnings across the world that a nuke may be getting prepared for launch. I really, really hope that its not just a button with some casing over it, that someone can just open and push.

It's a whole process with multiple people
 
Article seems to be gone. Without going into whether its even right to be “allowed” to go and fight - could this be cover to send in special ops? Ironically very similar to Wagner Group soldiers, just need to call them volunteers and send them over the Polish border.
Think I screwed up the URL. I wouldn't say he's your average Brit but this guy is heading over to fight for Ukraine.

Ukraine invasion: Britons 'willing to die' to defeat Putin's army as volunteers prepare to travel to fight Russian invasion | UK News | Sky News
 
He's not a lunatic. Sociopath for sure but he has nothing like the impulsive nature of someone like trump.

I honestly think that if Putin had Trump's personality this would not have happened. Trump kept coming up with these crazy, democracy undermining ideas and then lost interest a few hours later when he saw something shiny.
 
This group is being asked to stay where they are at the time of the video, unless you have a translation of what's being said? Framing this as Ukraine refusing the key Africans leave the country is propaganda likely of Russian origin, don't you think?

It has been confirmed by some Indian students that Ukraine guards are stopping them and some Africans from leaving the border and even asking for money while europeans are being allowed to pass without much trouble.
 
@spectatorindex: BREAKING: Moscow says countries sending military equipment to Ukraine will be responsible if they are used against Russian forces.
 
Think I screwed up the URL. I wouldn't say he's your average Brit but this guy is heading over to fight for Ukraine.

Ukraine invasion: Britons 'willing to die' to defeat Putin's army as volunteers prepare to travel to fight Russian invasion | UK News | Sky News
Wow:

"Certainly some of the messages on that group are: 'I'm alone, I'm single, I'm 45 years old, I don't have military experience, I'm happy to go over there and fight, it doesn't matter that much if I don't come back.' It's shocking really.

"It's crazy for me to see people are willing to give their lives potentially."
 
Same applies Zelenskyy when he decided to stay in Ukraine. Nationalism can do crazy things to people.

That's a calculated risk though. Zelensky isn't exactly right at the front line.
 
@spectatorindex: BREAKING: Moscow says countries sending military equipment to Ukraine will be responsible if they are used against Russian forces.

Every country in Europe, plus USA etc. knock yourselves out.
 
Youtube videos of PoWs calling home mainly from 20-25 year olds. Conscripts serving their obligated service term. He's killing a generation here.
 
The feck is an ‘orc?’

From Wiki:

"Orcs were the primary foot soldiers of the Dark Lord's armies and sometimes the weakest (but most numerous) of their servants. They were created by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, before the First Age and served him and later his successor in their quest to dominate Middle-earth. Before Oromë first found the Elves at Cuiviénen, Melkor kidnapped some of them and cruelly deformed them, twisting them into the first Orcs."
 
I think it's more likely he will be deposed by his own cabinet if he doesn't know when to fold
 
There is no face saving option for Putin at this point. He's far too overcommitted and nearing a point where EU and NATO are beginning to see cracks in his hold on power. In his own mind, his only out in all of this will be to take Ukraine by going ultra-violent. Anything else will be considered a weak capitulation involving him ruining the Russian economy while returning from Ukraine empty handed. Also, now that the international community has him in a weakened position, they aren't likely to remove the sanctions until he pays for the damage and destruction in Ukraine and signs an agreement to fund its reconstruction. He of course, isn't going to agree to any of these things and is incentivized to double down on taking Ukraine.

So what's the way out then?

If you really believe Putin will never back down with any variation of a face-saving option (even a minor one that he just spins internally), how does this end? I know it's the desire of everyone for Putin to just get overthrown internally and then the new leaders of Russia would work out a deal but from everything @harms and others have posted that seems like a bit of overly-optimistic wishful thinking.
 
There’s only France in the EU with a nuclear deterrent. That’s why NATO is where the strength is (adds UK and the US).

The EU as a separate entity isn’t that powerful in a military sense.

Germany also has nuclear bombs.
As part of the NATO sharing agreement, they have a number of American B61 tactical nuclear weapons.
These are carried by their Panavia Tornado IDS jets, a number of which are nuclear capable and provide the German nuclear deterrent.
 
So what's the way out then?

If you really believe Putin will never back down with any variation of a face-saving option (even a minor one that he just spins internally), how does this end? I know it's the desire of everyone for Putin to just get overthrown internally and then the new leaders of Russia would work out a deal but from everything @harms and others have posted that seems like a bit of overly-optimistic wishful thinking.

We could see another Sarajevo, sadly.
 
There’s little doubt in my mind we have special ops going on in Ukraine.
I was thinking the same thing but not necessarily to fight Russian regulars, but precisely these 'assasin squads' hunting Zelenskiy in Kyiv.
They're signing up the "Foreign Legion", guessing if were going to send in the hit squad it would be under this guise.
 
From Wiki:

"Orcs were the primary foot soldiers of the Dark Lord's armies and sometimes the weakest (but most numerous) of their servants. They were created by the first Dark Lord, Morgoth, before the First Age and served him and later his successor in their quest to dominate Middle-earth. Before Oromë first found the Elves at Cuiviénen, Melkor kidnapped some of them and cruelly deformed them, twisting them into the first Orcs."
Absolutely no clue what that passage means, none.
 
Putin's a cornered and wounded animal, with nukes for teeth and thermobaric missiles for claws.

He's in flight or fight mode. We need to back off a bit and give him an escape route. Because he's never going to back down from his snarling rhetoric otherwise.
I'm not sure we are at that point yet. The longer this goes on the weaker Putin gets. He needs a bit more rope.

There is a chance to get rid of Putin for good here. Keep the pressure on.
 
would love to know the view of the average Russian right now.
The ones I know are all horrified and want Putin gone. They are all people who have spent time in Western Europe though, so their views might not reflect those who have stayed in Russia their whole lives
 
I agree, I am not saying it's just pure racism or something. It needs to be explained from all ends - I've not heard (unless missed and easily could have as they may be drowned out) much from those countries where the citizens are impacted

Either way, if it's meant as a humanitarian crisis/escape, it shouldn't really matter too much who it is especially if some places are supposedly saying they don't care about paperwork and it's just getting people out

I think the fact that people fleeing Ukraine are entering the Eurozone is potentially a big factor. There are fewer border controls once you are in the Eurozone and it could be easy to lose track of where these folks end up. Some foreign nationals will have an easier time getting out of Ukraine because of their passport, definitely.

It's important that the embassy/diplomatic mission of any country with citizen currently in Ukraine does their utmost to help them because it's not going to be something high on the list of Ukraine, Poland, Hungary or anywhere else bordering this crisis. That sucks but could be a factor; although I thought I saw news that Hungary was lifting all restrictions even for migrants from elsewhere.
 
@spectatorindex: BREAKING: Moscow says countries sending military equipment to Ukraine will be responsible if they are used against Russian forces.

Responsible for? Guy who's getting other countries to help his army with troops, has issues with other countries supplying weapons to kills said troops. Pootin is going to declare war on half the world at this rate, I hope his army is up to the task...
 
I was at this site for a beer festival only last September in Lviv. I am supposed to be going back there in only a few months! Now the headquarters of the craft brewery are producing Molotovs en masse.