Personally I think it’s staged, as you say why make it public - the only benefit is it portrays NATO as not escalating.
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400 Empty Buses! and they didn't want to get in.....2:32 is where it all unravels
I firmly believe with all the crap that's going on the worst is yet to come. It is going to escalate further without a doubt. It's truly a miserable era to be alive.
So, is this guy lying or is he just clueless?
Bloody hell, I hope you're a pessimist.
Except Bush never found the evidence.
If this is true, then that is not fair on Poland, as they are close to Russia and takes in millions of refugees. To also expect them to both donate their fighter jets AND take all the risk alone does not seem right. And even if they got F-16s, a lot of pilots are specialized in the russian fighter jets and will need extensive training I guess.
I too have thought that this can not be true. It seems like it is staged or something. They must have had talks about this and know each others point of views.
They may have them but the pilots aren't necessarily all used to pilot them?
Lying of course. But towards the end he, confused himself and then questioned why they won't travel north EG: Russia.
I am really super uncomfortable about the idea of us giving away almost half of our fleet, without replacement, and potentially risking starting a war with Russia.
A war in which NATO will not protect us either as by flying our planes into the war we will not be considered under article 5 anyway. So we would virtually have to fight Russia with almost no air support because we've just given away large chunk of already limited jets.
Did they make the discovery whilst the Ukranians were too busy bombing themselves?
In before they publish the report and it's dated back to January 2022.
I personally think this is dumb. Putin knows where they are coming from regardless. And would respond the same way if it went from Poland the Germany to Ukraine vs Poland to Ukraine.
And that response would be shouting at the wind
It is huge difference. If Polish jets go from Poland straight into Ukraine, and Russia retaliate, NATO will not have to protect Poland. If they go through US, and Poland gets attacked as retaliation, NATO will be obliged to protect us. It's a massive difference.
The majority of the PAF’s fighter squadrons are F16, and they’ve got about a dozen F16 as trainers. They’ve been transitioning away from the MiG as-is and moving to a fighter wing of F16 and F35 only, that’s why they’re willing to offer them to Ukraine.
Western unity breaking down right before our eyes on planes, refugees and fuel.
Putin is laughing.
Just stop with this plane donation idea. Its not workable without them flying off from a NATO base. Since we don't want to poke the Russian bear under any circumstances, let's just quell this talk.
Putin is laughing.
Just stop with this plane donation idea. Its not workable without them flying off from a NATO base. Since we don't want to poke the Russian bear under any circumstances, let's just quell this talk.
Can't remember the West being as united as it is right now in a long time
For the last two weeks sure. But is it built to last longer than that?
Nothing lasts forever, but it sure is weird timing to claim the western unity breaking before our eyes.
Barring an attack by Russia on a NATO country, the most important thing is to minimise the risk of a nuclear WWWII. Everything else is secondary.
This is why Americans would not be in Ukraine "in seconds" of oil was discovered in Ukraine. It would be a disaster to have NATO forces is direct combat with Russians.
I think many people are living in fantasy land, or else in denial. Unfortunately, we are closer to WWIII now than ever before IMO.
There's already early signs of it. This whole ridiculous 'we'll give them planes as long as it doesn't fly off our base' idea, UK and it's resistance to refugees, EU not joining in on the fuel embargo..
We need to have the same stamina as Putin to stop him. That will cost the average Western citizen loads of money. How long can we hold?
UN admits refugees have faced racism at Ukraine borders
Filippo Grandi, the organisation’s High Commissioner for Refugees, acknowledged this in a statement on Tuesday afternoon.
You have seen reports in the media that there are different treatments – with Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians. Now our observations, and we possibly cannot observe every single post yet – but our observations is that these are not state policies – but there are instances which it has happened,” he said.
“There has been a different treatment (...). There should be absolutely no discrimination between Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians, Europeans and non-Europeans. Everyone is fleeing from the same risks.”
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https://www.independent.co.uk/world/ukraine-racism-refugees-russia-war-un-b2025771.html?amp
Filippo Grandi, the organisation’s High Commissioner for Refugees, acknowledged this in a statement on Tuesday afternoon.
You have seen reports in the media that there are different treatments – with Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians. Now our observations, and we possibly cannot observe every single post yet – but our observations is that these are not state policies – but there are instances which it has happened,” he said.
“There has been a different treatment (...). There should be absolutely no discrimination between Ukrainians and non-Ukrainians, Europeans and non-Europeans. Everyone is fleeing from the same risks.”
@TMDaines
https://www.independent.co.uk/world/ukraine-racism-refugees-russia-war-un-b2025771.html?amp
This seems a bit bonkers:
Before Ukraine, yes the west was splitting.
The one thing Putin has succeeded at is uniting the west under one common aim. Whatever rhetoric you are trying to spread is meaningless.
Documentaries about these topics give very little optimism. Pretty much the whole world is in a very tense situation on all fronts. This particular conflict will be going on for quite some time I can't imagine Ukraine will ever give in to Putin demands and Putin won't budge one bit. He also cares far too much about self image to recall the troops.
Not trying to spread any kind of rhetoric. Just saying what I observe.
I've been in support of doing whatever is necessary to stop the madman as quickly as possible. But if we are going to do it non-militarily, we need to stop arguing over stupid things like who is going to take the responsibility for sending planes into Ukraine, and also accept that it will cost us a lot of money whether its through increased fuel prices or taking care of refugees.
It's all a matter of perception
Im just sht scared of the propaganda that comes out of these regimes. We all know the US elections were compromised and God knows what would have happened if Trump was still in charge but what about all the Covid misinformation, Brexit, the rise of fascism in Europe etc. How much of all these tensions are manipulated by these regimes. I know some people in the UK that are now saying this war is all staged and its not true. Idiots! The Russians will be trying everything they can to fk us up now. All they need is a puppet to get elected and we're fkd. And its not just the Russians that are at it. Im all for a free uncontrolled internet but someone needs to get hold of the troll factories and crazies.
I don't know much about them other than they're usually as effective as a chocolate teapot, but why aren't UN Peacekeepers being discussed in the role to protect evacuation corridors.
Nato will not and should not get involved in this.
This Russian ploy was exposed a few weeks ago wasn't it (although I think the predictions were that the Russians would uncover (invent) "evidence" that the Ukrainians were secretly developing nuclear weapons, rather than bio weapons).
The world should not believe a single word the Kremlin says because they are proven liars about everything to do with this war.
But unfortunately I believe China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, N.Korea etc etc will be patting Putin on the back and proclaiming a job well done for ridding this planet of Neo-Nazis and nuclear terrorists.
But unfortunately I believe China, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, N.Korea etc etc will be patting Putin on the back and proclaiming a job well done for ridding this planet of Neo-Nazis and nuclear terrorists.
Lying, although he's generally clueless.
Doesn’t really matter, they would just make it up anyway.
America is negotiating with Venezuela as we speak, recognizing Maduro's legitimacy insofar as Maduro is willing to fill the production gap left by Russian sanctions. America is also negotiating with Iran as we speak, the goal being to bring Iran's capacity of 2 million barrels of oil per day back online via the nuclear deal. Iran has actually criticized Russia of late because Russia is trying to assert its position as guarantor of that nuclear negotiation process (thereby potentially threatening Iran's newfound entrance back into America's good graces and the world economy more broadly). North Korea is an irrelevancy, as is Cuba, and China is the biggest trading partner of both the EU and Iran (iirc). So I don't think it's as simple as you'd have it.