Mauricio Amadaeus Pochettino | Chelsea sack watch

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pocco said:
He got the perennial bottlers Spurs that elusive top 4 finish on 3 occasions (?). And a CL final. Anybody that thinks they could or should have done better than that are kidding themselves. They've never come close before or after. It inevitably fell apart as it does for most managers eventually, but he did a really good job at Spurs and the fans I know all want him back and never wanted him sacked. Levy is just a deluded idiot.
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It’s interesting for sure. Poch was a first choice or mine around the time Jose was about to get fired but we bottled it. His Spurs stint was a great achievement, imo.

He’s nowhere near as “bad” as he’s made to sound here sometimes, but his PSG stint has definitely put me off him a bit. A dysfunctional team, only bailed out by top class performances etc. Obviously PSG is a difficult environment for many managers and I wouldn’t be too displeased if we went for Poch but my word, I’m excited about ETH.

Yeah he’s not PL proven or big club proven (neither is Poch because I see his PSG stint as a fail) but he is UCL proven and has a winners mentality, on top of having his team play some scintillating attacking football.

It would be the first time in a while we’ve taken the “risk” of approaching someone fresh like ETH, as opposed to the “safe” choices and I’m excited for it. I really do hope we give ETH a shot. It might not work out for him, who knows. But at least the club would have showed that they’re keen on heading into a certain direction in footballing terms
 
Judas said:
Poch's at the wheel :(
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horsechoker said:
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:lol:
 
James Peril said:
In my opinion, the best manager for PSG isn’t one of the best in the world - perhaps they are better suited with a former, younger player, who knows if it’s possible for them to take the final step.
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You mean, someone like Pochettino?
 
Poch is a top manager. I’ve seen the term ‘bottled it’ branded around him but for what? getting a club who had been in the CL once in their history into a title challenge? or even better a CL final? Look at the state of Spurs since he left.

Will win the French league in his first full season and was unlucky against Madrid 10 minutes of madness across both legs cost him the game.

Seems to get abuse for over achieving with Spurs it’s crazy.
 
Castia said:
Poch is a top manager. I’ve seen the term ‘bottled it’ branded around him but for what? getting a club who had been in the CL once in their history into a title challenge? or even better a CL final? Look at the state of Spurs since he left.

Will win the French league in his first full season and was unlucky against Madrid 10 minutes of madness across both legs cost him the game.

Seems to get abuse for over achieving with Spurs it’s crazy.
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Its the caf. Managers are either the next coming of Pep or theyre frauds.

Even in Peps case, hes coined as both around here.

There is no inbetween.
 
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Poch is definitely third on my list behind tuchel 2nd and ten haag 1st, so im not in thw poch fan camp. However with the emotion of that night dying....it was a clear as day foul. VAR effectively brought them back into the game. He should have definitely managed the game better after that decision, but boi I would be seething at VAR if I was a psg fan.
 
Football is really cruel sometimes. I am not a fan of Pochettino but people would be discussing different things like how PSG dominated Real in both games if Donnarumma did not make that stupid mistake or the ref called the foul. Now, I do not know how much role Pochettino played for that mental collapse as some teams just seem to have that special vulnerability for epic collapses like that like PSG..
 
I think that PSG is a good club to measure where Poch would be at United. Both sides have a mentality issue which is set against huge expectations at the club and need a manager who can cope with that pressure and adjust to it accordingly. I’ve not seen enough of Poch at PSG to suggest he’s capable of coping with that pressure. There’s no excuse for getting beaten in th manner they did the other night, for losing the league last year or for some of the dreadful performances they’ve put in the league this year.
 
Castia said:
Poch is a top manager. I’ve seen the term ‘bottled it’ branded around him but for what? getting a club who had been in the CL once in their history into a title challenge? or even better a CL final? Look at the state of Spurs since he left.

Will win the French league in his first full season and was unlucky against Madrid 10 minutes of madness across both legs cost him the game.

Seems to get abuse for over achieving with Spurs it’s crazy.
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The manner in which he’s winning the league is a bit of a problem, no? People who actually watch Ligue 1 suggest a lot of their matches are pretty poor, and they’re often carried by bits of individual brilliance from Mbappe, mostly. Kind of sounds familiar…
 
I can't wait to see this place when PSG sack him, we appoint him, and we get dumped out by Athletico.

Being eliminated from the last 16 of the Champions League twice in the same season would be some accomplishment for him.
 
I will welcome him with open arms if he comes. I can recognise he’s a really good manager and coach and perhaps it’s finally his time to manage United after all the rumoured talks these years which never really materialised
 
RkkMan said:
Just did some research and saw Poch hasn't won a single away game in Ligue 1.
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But he has? Just a few weeks ago 5-1 in Lille for example. Though overall you are right, his away record is quite bad
 
Here's hoping Rangnick has a big enough voice to overpower our inept board and make sure we stay clear of Poch.
 
We all have a laugh and a joke about Pochettino but, in reality, he's a good coach. The issue is, when it comes to Man Utd, there's a mentality issue: A soft underbelly, a weakness, a tendency to crack under pressure. Nowhere in his career has Pochettino demonstrated the ability to fix that.

If you put Poch into Liverpool after Klopp he would do very well, because he'd be inheriting a squad where the mentality is already in a good state. Liverpool players are used to coming up trumps when its needed. Poch's job would just be to coach seasoned winners instead of teach them how to function under the expectation of winning. That's a very different challenge to what he'd be walking into at Man Utd.

Honestly, despite the fact he's not my choice and I've heavily criticised Poch's tendency to oversee Spursy results, I don't think he's that much worse of an option than most the names being linked with us. Ultimately, with our squad and structure, which coach would be a nailed on success?
 
#07 said:
We all have a laugh and a joke about Pochettino but, in reality, he's a good coach. The issue is, when it comes to Man Utd, there's a mentality issue: A soft underbelly, a weakness, a tendency to crack under pressure. Nowhere in his career has Pochettino demonstrated the ability to fix that.

If you put Poch into Liverpool after Klopp he would do very well, because he'd be inheriting a squad where the mentality is already in a good state. Liverpool players are used to coming up trumps when its needed. Poch's job would just be to coach seasoned winners instead of teach them how to function under the expectation of winning. That's a very different challenge to what he'd be walking into at Man Utd.

Honestly, despite the fact he's not my choice and I've heavily criticised Poch's tendency to oversee Spursy results, I don't think he's that much worse of an option than most the names being linked with us. Ultimately, with our squad and structure, which coach would be a nailed on success?
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Think this a bit of a cop out argument. Every top level coach would be a good coach if they just managed a group of seasoned winners.

What worries me with Poch is he hasn't developed a style of play anywhere, by the end of the Spurs tenure, they were pretty rubbish and has never done it with PSG. Everyone bangs on about out how we don't have a style of play, so seems an irresponisble move to bring someone in with doubt in that area.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Talk about "intensity", doesn't feel like there's any intensity coming from him on the PSG bench. He looks like he barely cares.

And did I hear him talk about how the Premier League is the greatest league in the world, before a CL tie invloving his PSG and Real Madrid? :lol:

Most blatant flinging oneself at the Man United job since Mourinho post CL quarters 2013
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Would be underwhelming given his stock seems to be on the fall.
 
#07 said:
We all have a laugh and a joke about Pochettino but, in reality, he's a good coach. The issue is, when it comes to Man Utd, there's a mentality issue: A soft underbelly, a weakness, a tendency to crack under pressure. Nowhere in his career has Pochettino demonstrated the ability to fix that.

If you put Poch into Liverpool after Klopp he would do very well, because he'd be inheriting a squad where the mentality is already in a good state. Liverpool players are used to coming up trumps when its needed. Poch's job would just be to coach seasoned winners instead of teach them how to function under the expectation of winning. That's a very different challenge to what he'd be walking into at Man Utd.

Honestly, despite the fact he's not my choice and I've heavily criticised Poch's tendency to oversee Spursy results, I don't think he's that much worse of an option than most the names being linked with us. Ultimately, with our squad and structure, which coach would be a nailed on success?
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That's very subjective. Because he took Tottenham from 'lads, it's Spurs' to consistent top 4 finishes and CL Finals. You can't say he didn't fix their mentality/attitude just because they didn't go all the way and beat Liverpool in the final or win the PL.

So for me that is not only wrong but the complete opposite of reality. Spurs were never as good before or after Poch - he certainly lifted that group of players without doubt.
 
pocco said:
That's very subjective. Because he took Tottenham from 'lads, it's Spurs' to consistent top 4 finishes and CL Finals. You can't say he didn't fix their mentality/attitude just because they didn't go all the way and beat Liverpool in the final or win the PL.

So for me that is not only wrong but the complete opposite reality. Spurs were never as good before or after Poch - he certainly lifted that group of players without doubt.
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He lost a title race to Leicester
 
horsechoker said:
He lost a title race to Leicester
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And? So did every other club in the country. Only one club can win it, that doesn't make the rest bottlers. At the start of that season did you have Spurs down as favourites? Nobody did, they punched way above their weight.

And let's be clear. We didn't realise just how good some of those Leicester players actually were until the years following.
 
pocco said:
And? So did every other club in the country. Only one club can win it, that doesn't make the rest bottlers. At the start of that season did you have Spurs down as favourites? Nobody did, they punched way above their weight.
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Yeah because all the others were weak, it's not an argument in favour of Poch. Pochettino probably had better players than Leicester and should have been able to win the league when everyone else was crumbling or in transition.
 
DWelbz19 said:
The manner in which he’s winning the league is a bit of a problem, no? People who actually watch Ligue 1 suggest a lot of their matches are pretty poor, and they’re often carried by bits of individual brilliance from Mbappe, mostly. Kind of sounds familiar…
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Yes it's a worry. He also had Kane at Spurs.

I used to think if he was at United we could supply him with big transfers but from here on out I'm not so confident, especially in terms of a world class forward. I can see him struggling more.
 
DWelbz19 said:
The manner in which he’s winning the league is a bit of a problem, no? People who actually watch Ligue 1 suggest a lot of their matches are pretty poor, and they’re often carried by bits of individual brilliance from Mbappe, mostly. Kind of sounds familiar…
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I only ever check the highlights but the opposition usually cut psg apart every game. PSG look ragged without the ball in the league
 
I still think that Pochettino is a very good option if you are early in your development, my doubts only applies when you are at a stage where you are ready to compete with the big boys and it's all about your ceiling. I see him as a high floor, low ceiling type of manager, a bit like Wenger.
 
I can't believe the board want this guy as the next manager. Screens of just wanted someone who can do it in a budget and not moan.

Only issue there is, he can't actually do it. He hasn't achieved anything and at PSG is doing the bear minimum while on the verge of being sacked.

Surely we have to be more ambitious than this, once again raises the question of who do we have making the decisions and what qualifications do they have to demonstrate they are the right people to be making them.

Absolute joke of a club.
 
Ish said:
It’s interesting for sure. Poch was a first choice or mine around the time Jose was about to get fired but we bottled it. His Spurs stint was a great achievement, imo.

He’s nowhere near as “bad” as he’s made to sound here sometimes, but his PSG stint has definitely put me off him a bit. A dysfunctional team, only bailed out by top class performances etc. Obviously PSG is a difficult environment for many managers and I wouldn’t be too displeased if we went for Poch but my word, I’m excited about ETH.

Yeah he’s not PL proven or big club proven (neither is Poch because I see his PSG stint as a fail) but he is UCL proven and has a winners mentality, on top of having his team play some scintillating attacking football.

It would be the first time in a while we’ve taken the “risk” of approaching someone fresh like ETH, as opposed to the “safe” choices and I’m excited for it. I really do hope we give ETH a shot. It might not work out for him, who knows. But at least the club would have showed that they’re keen on heading into a certain direction in footballing terms
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The way I see it, we're the problem, not Poch. We're an utter basket case. Can he take us on and fix us?
 
horsechoker said:
Yeah because all the others were weak, it's not an argument in favour of Poch. Pochettino probably had better players than Leicester and should have been able to win the league when everyone else was crumbling or in transition.
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Ok, so this season you will say Liverpool or City were weak, depending on who wins the league? Or that Klopp/Pep bottled it?

Spurs and Leicester both had decent sides but neither were considered title challengers at the start. Spurs had a good attack but their defence and midfield wasn't amazing. Danny Rose, Trippier, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Sissoko, Winks. That's their back 6 from the CL Final. Average at best. Spurs had never got close to a PL title challenge or done a thing in Europe prior to Poch, so to argue he can't fix a teams mentality, when he did just that, is completely wrong.
 
redshaw said:
Yes it's a worry. He also had Kane at Spurs.

I used to think if he was at United we could supply him with big transfers but from here on out I'm not so confident, especially in terms of a world class forward. I can see him struggling more.
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Think this gets forgotten, he's had one of the best strikers in the league, in his prime, averaging over 30 goals a season - still didn't win anything.
 
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