Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

It's all NATO's fault, they're so seductive with their big juicy AWACS rotodomes and long hard Paladin howitzers. How could any country resist?

Are those the ones they left for the Taliban or different?
 
So, a democratic sovereign state can't decide it's own future because a mad wanker like Putin doesn't like it? Gotcha.

Cuba couldn’t either because a mad wanker named JFK was going to start a nuclear war over it.
 
I just don't understand it man. It doesn't seem to be having the slightest impact on the military situation so it feels like we've gutted ourselves for the sake of doing nothing

We're not doing nothing man. We are draining the Russian Central Bank of their remaining reserves, as well as severely limiting new money that can enter Russia. It's just that it takes time for economic effects to kick in. Russia still has plenty of food, fuel and materials already inside the country even though they are not receiving new shipments.

It's just whether Ukraine can hold out for the length of time that is needed to drain the RCB. If chemical or biological weapons enter the fray, probably not.
 


I highly recommend a listen to this. One of the best parts is the discussion about the miscalculation by Putin will have consequences for all potential future conflicts and tensions. Ukraine putting up such a resistance has opened up the possibility of smaller but technologically adapted states to potentially feel confident pushing back on aggressors and push diplomatic boundaries against superpowers/regional powers.


I listened to this earlier. Great stuff. Subscribed.
 
you literally just responded to him with a derisive assumption about his views and now you're mad about his response back
I summarised his 'position' and he tried to imply I base my views on the Sun. As for his 'views', all very easy to preach peace when you are in the right country.
 
I listened to this earlier. Great stuff. Subscribed.

I have no time to listen to the podcast right now but based on the short summary, I've been thinking about this, too, since there has been much talk about the way this plays out for Russia might deter China from invading Taiwan. That basically implies Russia entered unknown territory by invading Ukraine since it is the first war in which modern military technology is used by attacker and defender alike, at least on a larger scale. Modern warfare might benefit defenders to a vastly greater degree than aggressors. I wasn't particularly interested in military stuff prior to this conflict so I don't know if that's been a theory before but if it was then chances are it's never been tested. It would generally be a very welcome development I suppose since it makes wars of conquest much less profitable for superior powers unless they use weaponry that go against there purposes (mass destruction that will spark fierce resistance, political isolation, domestic protests and on top leaves nothing to conquer).
 
I summarised his 'position' and he tried to imply I base my views on the Sun. As for his 'views', all very easy to preach peace when you are in the right country.

The Americans turned up in my country trying to get us to fight the Chinese over the SCS dispute. We politely told them to fk off we would deal with it by negotiation. It’s not easy being on the border of a super power you need to be smart and staying neutral is better than getting wrecked.
 
The Russian central bank is probably propping it up with whatever resources it has. It's been on a downward slide in general but every morning it gains a huge chunk, probably due to the RCB intervention

It will take a while for the bank to go through the $300 million of reserves it still has, as well as some time for the economic sanctions to really kick in hard.
Ah, cheers!
 
Aside from all the tragedy happening to Ukraine, personally, it will be interesting to see where Putin would be in a few months or years. Would be too hopeful that he won't be in a position to influence too much on our coup leader who paid a shit load of money to get their shit equipment to kill own citizens at home? Or probably more cheap weapons to kill more...
 
I have no time to listen to the podcast right now but based on the short summary, I've been thinking about this, too, since there has been much talk about the way this plays out for Russia might deter China from invading Taiwan. That basically implies Russia entered unknown territory by invading Ukraine since it is the first war in which modern military technology is used by attacker and defender alike, at least on a larger scale. Modern warfare might benefit defenders to a vastly greater degree than aggressors. I wasn't particularly interested in military stuff prior to this conflict so I don't know if that's been a theory before but if it was then chances are it's never been tested. It would generally be a very welcome development I suppose since it makes wars of conquest much less profitable for superior powers unless they use weaponry that go against there purposes (mass destruction that will spark fierce resistance, political isolation, domestic protests and on top leaves nothing to conquer).

I have to say, being from Ireland and the history we have here with the English. They invaded and still have the north but the native population would never let them “enjoy“ it. These things are never settled. You might win a battle and take a city but you’re always under constant threat of losing it back. It’s a major resource drain. Many citizens are against war. It’s not like in the past where you expected to totally pillage and clean a weaker country out for the good of the aggressive nation anymore either. There actually seems to be a lot more cons than pros these days.
 
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I'm going to be generous and assume that this isn't actually a call for all countries to have the perceived "right" to wreck others.


Periodically someone new pops in to re-litigate what has already been done to death in the weeks ahead of the invasion. Unless you're calling my hot takes terrible, in which case I denounce your imperialist language!
I wasn't talking about you, no :D
 


I highly recommend a listen to this. One of the best parts is the discussion about the miscalculation by Putin will have consequences for all potential future conflicts and tensions. Ukraine putting up such a resistance has opened up the possibility of smaller but technologically adapted states to potentially feel confident pushing back on aggressors and push diplomatic boundaries against superpowers/regional powers.

Ok so I’m gonna listen to this podcast, but also… had no clue you could embed like that from Spotify on here.
 
It was all getting a bit too much for me so i've avoided the news for a couple of days (I know this pales in comparison to what Ukrainians are going through!). Is there any hope of a ceasefire from the discussions between the 2 countries or are we likely to see Russia take over Kyiv soon?
 
It was all getting a bit too much for me so i've avoided the news for a couple of days (I know this pales in comparison to what Ukrainians are going through!). Is there any hope of a ceasefire from the discussions between the 2 countries or are we likely to see Russia take over Kyiv soon?
Every now and then someone gets a sniff of possibility, as talks have been ongoing (Foreign Ministers met yesterday I think), and people look for hints in what Zelensky and Putin say. So it's not impossible but also doesn't look likely so soon. I get the impression that the issue right now is that both sides think they can improve their own situations. Russia still thinks it can take Kyiv in the near-term and continue to inflict damage to Ukraine, and Ukraine still thinks it can hold Kyiv and continue to inflict damage to Russian forces. Not the ideal situation for a deal to be struck.
 
We'd all be very confused if Canada or Mexico had any interest in Chinese missiles being stationed in their land. Why would Canada or Mexico want to enter a defensive pact against the US that meant stationing Chinese missiles in their territory?

Ukraine joining NATO or the EU anytime in the future had been a complete non-starter until Russia decided to invade.
Similar to Finland and Sweden, who're considering their stance as a consequence of Russia's war
 
have you seen the british gas bills running into the thousands going round? People are going to be absolutely destroyed. it'll be a global recession that makes 08 look like a dwarf

UK's skyrocketing energy bills have very little to do with Russia and even less with the war. They were skyrocketing last year.

Russia supplies something like 5% of UK's energy.
 


Death toll in Mariupol is likely even higher given that they've been without water for about a week now. Probably lots of bodies they haven't found. Read that the residents were talking about not having the snow to melt to get water from. Absolutely grim.
 
I just don't understand it man. It doesn't seem to be having the slightest impact on the military situation so it feels like we've gutted ourselves for the sake of doing nothing


The west has jumped off a high garden wall. Russia has jumped off a five story building.

At first both feel similar and the pain of doing the first may hit sooner but that is where the disadvantage of doing the first ends compared with doing the second.

If the sanctions are in place for six months Russia may not ever recover from its mistake even if Ukraine is conquered.
 
As I commented here after the last two matches, I was a bit vexxed at United and others for making gestures towards "no war" and "peace" without any solidarity towards Ukraine and those affected by Russia's invasion. Here's someone else explaining why:

 


We've been delivering anti tank weapons 10 to 1 over anti air weapons. Maybe its time to change that. Ukrainian forces are properly dug in now around the cities and with vast quantities of Western anti tank missiles already delivered it will be extremely hard for Russian ground forces. The air needs more focus now.
 
Is Vlad really trying to sell this Bio-Weapon theory? He’s obviously creating a back story before he drops something dirty on Kyiv.
 
Feels a bit like the Russian forces are slowly getting their shit together and things are getting more ominous for Ukraine. Is that a fair assessment or are we just seeing fewer reported victories from the Ukrainians because they're busy and people are less excited by the reports now?
 
Feels a bit like the Russian forces are slowly getting their shit together and things are getting more ominous for Ukraine. Is that a fair assessment or are we just seeing fewer reported victories from the Ukrainians because they're busy and people are less excited by the reports now?
Surely Russia winning this was always inevitable? Ukraine's just big so it takes a while. And the operation wasnt exactly a masterstroke planningwise it seems, but there is no way Ukraine would really hold them off I think.