Rashford considering his future...

When he is with Brandon he dresses alright. But with Lingard he dresses like a gangsta french artist.
This said whilst quoting a picture in which Brandon Williams is sporting a ludicrously large BW chain. ‘Gangsta’. . . code for. . .
 
Okay. Silly me for thinking professional footballers will go through all the trouble of filming themselves training only for promotional purposes and it being apparent when they're back to first team training that their fitness is off rather than training in Dubai just for the weather.

They're only in Dubai to relax, enjoy themselves and fake train. Only Ronaldo is there to actually train. Got it.
For some obscure reason you deliberately seem to be missing the point.
 
Gotta admit the way they dressed is quite fashionable. Certainly not my cup of tea but i can see the appeal to many people.
If this is fashionable I'd rather go back to being a caveman and wear bamboo leaves to hide my private parts
 
This said whilst quoting a picture in which Brandon Williams is sporting a ludicrously large BW chain. ‘Gangsta’. . . code for. . .
You missed the french artist part. Brandon still looked gangsta but not to the level of gangsta french artist.
 
For some obscure reason you deliberately seem to be missing the point.
I completely got your point. Ronaldo and Rashford are miles apart in their accomplishments in the game. Ronaldo has a proven method and we know that when he does what Rashford did, there's no reason to doubt him.

I'm just choosing not to believe that a professional athlete who looks as in shape as Rashford does slacks off with his training.
 
Although the likes of Rashford and Lingard do annoy me with how they portray themselves online, it is a whole new world now and I need to remind myself not to compare apples and oranges. With that I mean, if there was Social Media and mobile phones in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, we’d probably have a very different view of some ex players we look back on as heroes or with great affinity.
 
Although the likes of Rashford and Lingard do annoy me with how they portray themselves online, it is a whole new world now and I need to remind myself not to compare apples and oranges. With that I mean, if there was Social Media and mobile phones in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, we’d probably have a very different view of some ex players we look back on as heroes or with great affinity.
Yeah but those ex players were delivering at the time while these current ones don't. Already said it numerous times as long as a player plays well for the club I really don't care what they do in their free time.
 
Hot take. Directly or indirectly the subject of players mental health has come up in regards to Rashford. Today Pogba has given an interview where he talks about depression, think it’s mostly about United being trophyless for 5 season and the recent burglary.

Last generation players judging todays players. Eg Gary Neville talking about the United players being out on holiday after getting beaten by AM. It is cheap as many pointed out to him his generation were hardly an example of honour and brotherhood and were arguably worse.
 
Hot take. Directly or indirectly the subject of players mental health has come up in regards to Rashford. Today Pogba has given an interview where he talks about depression, think it’s mostly about United being trophyless for 5 season and the recent burglary.

Last generation players judging todays players. Eg Gary Neville talking about the United players being out on holiday after getting beaten by AM. It is cheap as many pointed out to him his generation were hardly an example of honour and brotherhood and were arguably worse.

I don't understand the discussion in general. What evidence do we have that there are any mental health issues involved at all? Is it just being used as justification for his poor performances? Secondly, this obsession that because someone is well off, that they are immune from suffering from mental health is such an outdated and misguided stance.
 
Yeah but those ex players were delivering at the time while these current ones don't. Already said it numerous times as long as a player plays well for the club I really don't care what they do in their free time.

But when they aren't playing well you care deeply about what they're getting up to in their free time?

Out of interest when a player is going through a period of bad form what should they be getting up to in their free time that you would find acceptable?
 
If this is fashionable I'd rather go back to being a caveman and wear bamboo leaves to hide my private parts


Lingaard has the worst facial hair i have seen in a footballer.

If you can't even grow a decent goatee, just clean shave man, better than having 10 pubic hairs hanging from the chin.
 
I completely got your point. Ronaldo and Rashford are miles apart in their accomplishments in the game. Ronaldo has a proven method and we know that when he does what Rashford did, there's no reason to doubt him.

I'm just choosing not to believe that a professional athlete who looks as in shape as Rashford does slacks off with his training.
Personally I don't think many people are saying he's slacking off in training but more because he's so low in confidence then he should be training night and day to get that confidence back. Of course everyone needs a break once in a while but you have to find that happy medium if you're 100% committed to being the best you can and a lot of people are questioning Rashfords commitment which I don't think is too outrageous.
 
To be a professional football player. Fans even produce a thesis on your dress code.
 
Hot take. Directly or indirectly the subject of players mental health has come up in regards to Rashford. Today Pogba has given an interview where he talks about depression, think it’s mostly about United being trophyless for 5 season and the recent burglary.

Last generation players judging todays players. Eg Gary Neville talking about the United players being out on holiday after getting beaten by AM. It is cheap as many pointed out to him his generation were hardly an example of honour and brotherhood and were arguably worse.
Hot Take. Whilst mental health is obviously a major issue and a serious concern, sometimes general "life" can be conflated into mental health issues.

Everyone gets depressed now and then, and that should not be conflated with real depression (actually struggling, genuinely feeling suicidal etc.).

I do struggle to believe that Pogba, Rashford etc. suffer with genuine clinical depression and not just the usual travails that everyone has to deal with, this tends to hit sportspeople on retirement.
 
Although the likes of Rashford and Lingard do annoy me with how they portray themselves online, it is a whole new world now and I need to remind myself not to compare apples and oranges. With that I mean, if there was Social Media and mobile phones in the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, we’d probably have a very different view of some ex players we look back on as heroes or with great affinity.

Can you imagine Bruce, Pallister etc live streaming their drinking sessions after games :lol:
 
Hot Take. Whilst mental health is obviously a major issue and a serious concern, sometimes general "life" can be conflated into mental health issues.

Everyone gets depressed now and then, and that should not be conflated with real depression (actually struggling, genuinely feeling suicidal etc.).

I do struggle to believe that Pogba, Rashford etc. suffer with genuine clinical depression and not just the usual travails that everyone has to deal with, this tends to hit sportspeople on retirement.

Completely agree here, there is a sort of white knighting and commodifying that goes around mental health, which undoubtedly comes from a good place but now means it's become almost taboo to suggest that there is an increasing conflating of completely normal life challenges and 'low spells' with mental health in the sense of illness. Im an advocate for improving the terrible services and especially encouraging men to be more open about their struggles, but by the measure of some rhetoric everybody alive has mental health problems and even the mildest form of analysis or questioning amounts to some sort of toxic neanderthal throwback.

On Rashford - i see he has a second book out soon and is new face of Natwest campaign. These are all commendable endeavors but he seems to have a million things on and is clearly struggling. Being a professional footballer is a full time job with lots of pressure and scrutiny, his relentless social presence can't help
 
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Hot Take. Whilst mental health is obviously a major issue and a serious concern, sometimes general "life" can be conflated into mental health issues.

Everyone gets depressed now and then, and that should not be conflated with real depression (actually struggling, genuinely feeling suicidal etc.).

I do struggle to believe that Pogba, Rashford etc. suffer with genuine clinical depression and not just the usual travails that everyone has to deal with, this tends to hit sportspeople on retirement.

Completely agree. Feeling depressed and clinical depression have become muddied over time.

If things aren't going well at work, you've got things going on at home etc it's perfectly natural to feel depressed. From the NHS website:

Depression is more than simply feeling unhappy or fed up for a few days.

Most people go through periods of feeling down, but when you're depressed you feel persistently sad for weeks or months, rather than just a few days.

Some people think depression is trivial and not a genuine health condition. They're wrong – it is a real illness with real symptoms. Depression is not a sign of weakness or something you can "snap out of" by "pulling yourself together".
 
Yeah but those ex players were delivering at the time while these current ones don't. Already said it numerous times as long as a player plays well for the club I really don't care what they do in their free time.

Ex players never had bad form ever? I feel free time is free time unless they are doing something that is impacting their performance.
Anyway fans will be irrational about it and feel they own the player fulltime. They should not attend any event, not be seen in public , no restaurant, no social activities etc. Just basically disappear from sight till they get good again.
 
Can you imagine Bruce, Pallister etc live streaming their drinking sessions after games :lol:
sharpe and giggs would have got themselves into a lot of trouble
 
But when they aren't playing well you care deeply about what they're getting up to in their free time?

Out of interest when a player is going through a period of bad form what should they be getting up to in their free time that you would find acceptable?
Keep his fuking head down for starters. No excuses. These guys are media trained out the door. They are not idiots. They milk social media when it suits to flog brands and raise their profile which I am sure comes into negotiations for new contracts. It’s modern fame/football. They know the game.

If the game starts getting the better of you...You vanish. No bullshit posts pulling at heartstrings or trying to promote stuff or flash your lifestyle. The short term nature of modern news finds new targets very quickly. When is the last time anyone mentioned Greenwood and he is “allegedly” a horrific son of a b*tch. Why? Because he has vanished.

So if Rashford or Jesse or Pogba or any of the other celebs/footballers (not the other way round seemingly)want space and peace...it’s there for them. Just vanish. Shut up. Train. Play. And you will be surprised how quickly people move on.
 
"Soon as Milan like Zanetti" ??? What does that mean?
Maybe he is going to Milan in the summer. Poor Milan.
He is trying to replicate Lukaku's success in Italy. Serie A beware. Meanwhile regarding those japanese characters written on his back, they could have written "I am the super bellend" and he wouldnt know.
 


He's putting in the work

This is why it doesnt work in an actual match. Here we see a 24 y.o Rashford jogging past 45 y.o Matic and 67 y.o Fletcher as defensive midfielders that were supposed to mark him. Dont blame him if he doesnt run in the next game.
 
But when they aren't playing well you care deeply about what they're getting up to in their free time?

Out of interest when a player is going through a period of bad form what should they be getting up to in their free time that you would find acceptable?

I used to work in investment banking, when things went wrong people pulled all-nighters, worked weekends, cancelled holidays and plans. I had nights I got a taxi home at 4am, had a shower and 90 minutes sleep and got in a taxi back to the office. I know people who went 50+ hours awake just to try unfeck deals that had gone wrong. This was earning in a year what these guys earn in a week.

Sure, you can't just train and train or your body is going to give out. But I expect them to be head deep in analysis, theory, technique etc
 
Completely agree. Feeling depressed and clinical depression have become muddied over time.

If things aren't going well at work, you've got things going on at home etc it's perfectly natural to feel depressed. From the NHS website:
I feel like a lot of people know the difference, and it's not unusual for a lot of normal people to go through prolonged periods of depression. We are still very hesitant to even let on that we may be depressed or worst some can't even tell when they are. So let's be fair, I'm sure there are quite a few properly depressed celebrities, footballers, etc...
 
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I feel like a lot of people know the difference, and it's not unusual for a lot of normal people to go through prolonged periods of depression. We are still very hesitant to even let on that we may be depressed it worst some can't even tell when they are. So let's be fair, I'm sure there are quite a few properly depressed celebrities, footballers, etc...

Oh, I'm not doubting that for the record, statistically considering the number of professional footballers you'd expect quite a number to go through mental illness at some point.