Yer man's a fecking tool and I wouldn't worry about Deltacron. Or basically anything else he gets hysterical about.
That footage is crazy though. Feels as though China is right back where Europe was in March 2020.
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Yer man's a fecking tool and I wouldn't worry about Deltacron. Or basically anything else he gets hysterical about.
That footage is crazy though. Feels as though China is right back where Europe was in March 2020.
So he is a scare mongerer?
I must admit, I've been mostly following his advice and info on this since it all started.
Oh yes. He's the worst of the worst.
And I say this as someone who's been repeatedly called a scaremonger myself, in this very thread!
Speaking of China. Fecking hell.
Jesus Christ that’s unimaginably cruel
This is why he's a fecking tool. He's been one of the most vocal advocates for draconian measures likes these throughout the pandemic. Now he's drumming up outrage at the reality of the exact measures he's been calling for!
Jesus fecking Christ. At least the order was stopped.
The viral load stuff is really interesting. I got off very lightly and was a bit worried that this was because I was extremely lucky and only got a very small dose of virus.
That viral load idea became a widely accepted with no evidence to justify it, was a bit strange.
At least they took that back after the massive scandal it made in Hong Kong not this long ago.
If China wants to solve the problem faster to avoid long queues and deaths in hospitals, it should be simple enough: get vaccinated with the right vaccines. I don't know what is the reasoning behind persisting with their zero-COVID policy, but the majority of economists and medical experts worldwide say that has to stop because the virus is there to stay just like seasonal influenza does.
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Xi is going for re-election in the Party Congress in November. There are rumours that they now know that it's not a long term strategy, but they don't want to rock the boat before the re-election so will keep zero-covid going until then. That's probably the reason for staying with local vaccines too.
I think they know, but they do not want to admit their vaccine is inferior to mRNA vaccines by foreign countries. They are now developing their own mRNA vaccines and maybe they will revaccinate their population when it is ready.
Currently, they clearly do not have the medical capacity to cope if they open up.
Far from what we used to think of as normal but we have "only" an average of 20 covid deaths per day. Barring voluntary mask wearing in most circumstances almost everything is almost back to normal here in Australia. Not scanning in to every place you visit is still a bit weird.
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Two weeks, no masks and I haven't got covid yet, at least not that I know about. 
We relaxed the mask wearing mandate here in Singapore a couple of days ago so it is no longer mandatory to wear a mask outdoors. But based on observation almost 99% of the people still wear it.
The biggest indicator of a "return to norm" here is the full reopening of the causeway between Singapore and Malaysia. Boy that was emotional.
Excuse my ignorance, but with the infection rate being absolutely ridiculous in the UK right now, is there a chance that we could see a more deadly variant materialise? Or is it likely that every future variant will be less severe and will in effect weaken down to virtually nothing?
Interesting coming to Milan and Como from the UK for my first holiday in two years - mask compliance is still very high. I know there’s still a mandate in some settings like trains etc but there was in England too and you’d only see 30-40% actually bothering. I’m seeing literally 100% in tubes, about 90 on trains and around the same in shops. Attendants are actually asking people to put them on or pull them up as well. Impressive stuff. They’re also using the terms “FFP2” on notices too and most people are wearing masks of this type.
I had two negative rapid antigen tests over the last few days as some of my sisters had tested positive.
Today I tested again to check as one more sister came down with it: I tested positive.
Still no real symptoms apart from being a little lethargic.
Today I tested again to check as one more sister came down with it: I tested positive.
Still no real symptoms apart from being a little lethargic.
I wonder what anti-vaxxers will make of him being alive after 90 vaccine shots.
Can diversify into charging for his services as a 5G antenna as well.
Thought this was particularly interesting…
Not saying it doesn't help but Australia and NZ virtually eliminated flu when there was no covid.
Interesting. I don’t think the point was that covid prevents flu, just that the likelihood of covid and flu running riot simultaneously seems unlikely because of those factors.
But it could just be an anomaly of a flu year(s)! Presumably this applied when there were few preventative measures too - just masks? Otherwise if it happened with social distancing then I guess it wouldn’t tell us much!
China is attempting to stick to its zero covid policy, and some parts of Shanghai had just heard that its lockdown had been extended again.
However, it looks like the food supply chain is collapsing under the strain. Some background on why fresh food and takeaway food is central to the issue, and why there's desperation in some groups in the city.
Which might explain some footage showing what are being reported as scenes of supermarkets being looted in Shanghai. No idea on the source or authenticity/context of the video - it's all over Twitter - but certainly there's a lot of footage of empty fridges, individual protests etc around.
Restrictions in some parts of the city are now going to be lifted - but only if there are no positive tests in this round in that area. Whether that's a cover for the authorities backing down or an irrelevance for most people, I don't know.
However, it looks like the food supply chain is collapsing under the strain. Some background on why fresh food and takeaway food is central to the issue, and why there's desperation in some groups in the city.
Which might explain some footage showing what are being reported as scenes of supermarkets being looted in Shanghai. No idea on the source or authenticity/context of the video - it's all over Twitter - but certainly there's a lot of footage of empty fridges, individual protests etc around.
Restrictions in some parts of the city are now going to be lifted - but only if there are no positive tests in this round in that area. Whether that's a cover for the authorities backing down or an irrelevance for most people, I don't know.
Are China really thick or something? What are they trying to prove? Have they not seen what's literally happening in every other country in the world?
Or do they know something we don't?
Or do they know something we don't?
Very Orwellian.. Drones flying around and warning citizens in Shanghai..
Sorry for the late reply. As far as I know, China hasn't put much effort in pushing the vaccination rate. They have been too confident in their so-called "dynamic zero" strategy to stop every outbreak. They also keep reassuring people that all outbreaks are controllable which, in my opinion, gives people a false sense of security. With the case number has kept staying low over the past year, people have no incentive to receive vaccination and when they need it, it's already too late.
More scraps of info coming from Shanghai. First, an unlikely looking stat about symptomatic v asymptomatic cases:
And next an even less likely looking stat about cases v serious illness.
China has stopped uploading viral sequences to the international registry, so we don't even know if we're talking about one of the Omicron family - though presumably we are.
Meanwhile, families are apparently complaining about the sudden death of elderly relatives, at a time when officially no one is dying of covid.
And next an even less likely looking stat about cases v serious illness.
China has stopped uploading viral sequences to the international registry, so we don't even know if we're talking about one of the Omicron family - though presumably we are.
Meanwhile, families are apparently complaining about the sudden death of elderly relatives, at a time when officially no one is dying of covid.
That sounds irresponsible at best. What’s the official reason for not doing so?
I don’t get it. What’s the upside to massaging the stats to make the illness seem less severe? Surely that just makes their zero covid mass lockdown approach look even more stupid?
I doubt there's an official explanation, and I doubt China feels any need to give one. Countries choose what to share and when to do it. Some countries do a lot of sequencing, some do very little.
Some upload sequences as they get them, immediately and without prior analysis. Others do edited highlights showing changes identified by their research teams as significant. Obviously the most helpful ones do all those things - send lots, send them fast, and point out significant bits they've spotted (like SA did with Omicron).
You'd think so, but I guess this comes down to a combination of what central government want broadcast and what local health officials dare say.
Big infection numbers to emphasise why whole cities need to be locked down hard and fast (not go rogue like HK, or lose grip on it like Shanghai). Small numbers of severe cases to "explain" how the infection could spread so far without warning.
Plus, the government could be preparing the country for a move from zero covid to "zero admitted covid deaths". Of course, that does nothing to encourage the elderly and the vulnerable to get vaccinated/boosted so it's not much of a strategy unless you control all information flow. Hmmm.
Ah. Ok. Gotcha.