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I hope these things will help take out Russian artillery. Are their range meant to be longer than whatever the Russians are using?
Yeh, as an example, one of the difficulties of taking Kherson city back is all the open fields surrounding it that makes UA forces very vunerable as they move forward to all the the mass artillery stationed relatively safely on the other side of the Dnipro river. That will also no doubt begin to level the city if/when UA makes significant inroads there.
If I has to guess, I reckon all these himars have gone straight to that front.
It never fails.
TMDaines is not someone I would say this about in this thread. A very valuable contributor to it.
Yes, I think I do. I know, for example, that this war did not begin on February 24th 2022. I know that if you go to Victoria "F*ck the EU" Nuland's Wikipedia page (I don't know how to post images here), you will see that the 2nd picture on the right was taken on February 1st 2014...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland
It shows her (the architect of Euromaidan) and John Kerry sitting opposite Petro Poroshenko, Arseniy Yatesenyuk and Vitaliy Klitschko (notice how the 3 Ukrainians have their heads dutifully bowed, not even any pens and paper in front of them, while their American handlers are giving them their orders). And then, almost 4 months later, by an absolutely startling coincidence, 'the Ukrainian people' "democratically elected" Petro Poroshenko to be their president, Arseniy Yatsenyuk to be their Prime Minister, and Vitali Klitschko to be the mayor of Kiev (amazing how often America perfectly predicts who is going to win 'free and fair elections' months in advance isn't it?).
I know that Poroshenko's successor (the West's new Winston Churchill) is a project of Ihor Kolomoiskiy (the founder and main sponsor of Azov Battalion). Someone asked me earlier in the thread why I always put the name 'Zelenskiy' in quotes when referring to policy. It's because he is nobody in this situation. He makes no decisions and has no input on anything that matters. His only 2 orders from his handlers in Washington and London are: 1) never, under any circumstances, and no matter how much pressure you find yourself under, remove your little green military T-shirt. And 2) never, we repeat NEVER, shave off your little beard. You are a warrior. You are a fighter. You are our new Action Man figure.
Oh yeah, and I know that the new paragon of Western values is as corrupt as they come:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...dent-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
So yeah, I know that this is not a fight between autocracy and democracy, it is an incredibly complex situation that gets reduced to "good v evil and that's all there is to it!" for a dumb mass audience whose reading ability extends no further than a tweet thread.
Further, I know that most of the people in this thread who are salivating at the thought of all these new lovely weapons coming to Ukraine are doing so not because they care about Ukraine but because this war is a video game to them. It's entertainment (on more than one occasion I've wanted to post the link to donate to Ukraine to see who puts their money where their mouth is). Their support of America's and the UK's strategy of "let the Ukrainians die as slowly as possible so as to weaken Russia as much as possible" is not out of concern for Ukrainians, it's out of concern for having more and more war to watch.
I know that the EU did not prepare for the possibility of this war dragging on the way that it has, and this is going to cost them a catastrophic amount. The EU was extremely bold and aggressive in their sanctions against Russia, believing (they directly stated this) that it would cripple the Russian economy and therefore the Russian war machine within 3 months. A minor timing issue with disastrous consequences. Now they are in a position where they cannot admit the sanctions are not working and so are just going to keep on driving over the cliff, with unelected morons (von der Leyen, Borrell, Michel et al) doing the driving. They'll be fine, they'll parachute out of it all in a couple of years and retire to their Swiss lakes, hell they may even hook up with Kolomoiyskiy and Zelenskiy while they're there. Russia never said this war would be over in days, weeks or months. They gave no timeline. It was THE WEST that gave timelines, based on famously and repeatedly bad analysis (remember when the same people predicted the Afghan army would hold off the Taliban for more than 6 days?). It is not Russia who miscalculated the timeline of this war, it is the West, which is why they are now crippling themselves economically. Their massive sanctions were based on the premise that it would be over by now. They did not foresee Ukraine needing 10 billion dollars a month (and rising) only to stay afloat.
Finally, I know that for every post you can find from Ukrainians who are not actually fighting the war saying that they have all the people and 'will' needed to fight if only they get WEAPONS WEAPONS WEAPONS!, you can find a hundred more from Ukrainian men aged 18 to 60 who are desperate for 'Zelenskiy' to lift the ban on their fleeing the country (if Ukrainians are so ready and willing to die for the West's freedom, why have all Ukrainian men been forbidden from leaving the country since February 25th?). Last week 'Zelenskiy' told Poland to send back any men aged 18 to 60 who fled as refugees by June 27th. His plan is to put guns in their hands and send them to "die for the world's freedom".
Those are the things I know. What I believe (but naturally don't know) is that Ukraine can't win this war. Everyone (Johnson mainly) who says they can refuses to define 'win' in this context. Pushing Russia out of Donbas and/or Crimea? It will never happen, and they know it. "Destroying the Russian army" as Kasparov said in that tweet posted yesterday? Idiotic. Ukraine's fully mobilised army is being decimated by Russia's peacetime army. I also believe that Putin has no intention of invading any other country. He explicitly stated his aims in his speech before the invasion. "If we cede territory to Putin now, he will come for Poland next!" is absolutely divorced from any kind of understanding of WHY Putin invaded Ukraine in the first place ("Because he hates democracy!" - idiotic understanding of this war).
Zelenskiy''s handlers in DC and London need to send him to the negotiating table now. Otherwise, all that will happen from here on is more dead Ukrainians, more dead 'orcs', more of an economically crippled EU, more Boris Johnson pretending to care about Ukrainians (he doesn't, he needs a geopolitical friend because he has none), and more of the West stupidly pushing one stated rival (Russia) further and further into the arms of their other stated rival (China).
I've said my piece. Back to the tweets of what weapons are being sent alongside salivating emojis. But before I go, here is the link to donate to Ukrainians:
https://donate.unhcr.org/int/en/ukraine-emergency
Frankly I don't know how anyone can spend a week sunning themselves on a Greek island when Ukrainians are dying for your freedom. That money could have helped so many Ukrainians.
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Yeah Putin's been fecking with our democracies for years mate - quite successfully. The idea that being his friend is a good thing is not something I'm ever going to believe. He's a baddie, and a really fecking bad one at that. Stalin bad. All of these puppet masters in the US who can't even control their own elections have magically mind controlled all of the Ukrainian populus purely because they hate Russia for absolutely no reason, seems legit.
What do you say to this DT12?
They always want to start at Euromaidan when the truth is, that was is the culmination of failed Russian foreign policy in Ukraine dating back to the Kremlin's desire to overturn Ukrainian independence. Independence Russia had guaranteed ironically. Putin has stated it quite clearly. Ukraine should never have been allowed to be a nation. The rest is semantics and propaganda.
To pretend that the justification for this invasion was corruption when Russia more than anyone is responsible for that corruption is laughable.
Or the first invasion was because of Nazis when Putin is actually a Nazi.
Just one of many of Putin's buddies whom the US and UK are not fully sanctioning because they profit off him. Like when the USA refused to sanction Abramovich because he's a big employer over there...
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/04/business/colorado-steel-plant-russia-military-invs/index.html
Or how America is continuing to do business with all the precious metals and rare gases oligarchs because they need them (while also calling on Europe to commit economic suicide by rejecting oil and gas, things which the US does not need from Russia). It's why in my very first post on here I said that a good question the EU needs to be asking themselves is this: what would the US do in our situation? And the answer is: absolutely not this.
First of all it was a working holiday, secondly you've no idea what I do or don't do with my money in relation to Ukraine, thirdly it's none of your goddam business, and fourthly your post is a cheap shot that has no place in this (or any other) thread.
I'd suggest that you quit being an absolute tosser.
Jesus. Well you did say you are based in St. Petersburg, I believe that much at least, its where most the troll farms were set up.And yet still no admission your prediction was wrong
Imagine that, Ukrainians are fighting against a peacetime army which invaded their country and only means good and wants good for Ukraine instead of throwing weapons and welcoming their peacetime friends. And they want more weapons to defend their country. The cheek! How dare they.
Oh and Russia didnt give the timeline for the war. That's so polite from them. Look, we're invade a country, wont call it a war but a special operation and wont give a timeline unlike evil west, we're take it one day at a time of bombing and killing, dont worry. Oh and western countries and all over the world, please let us invade Ukraine and dont be mean by giving Ukraine the weapons, dont you dare! We'll just decimate and destroy Ukraine and we're good after that, Putin said so.
Oh and Putin said he wont invade any other country (and for invading Ukraine he has good reasons according to you). Good then. You believe him, he's not a baddy.
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Great to hear they've adjusted their background music from that Benny Benasi track to 80s arcade games.
I see that you keep pushing the Kremlin's propaganda and are ignorant of basic economics.
The EU's GDP in 2020 was estimated by the Word Bank to be more than 10 times that of Russia in the same year. To put this another way, the EU can absorb financial costs to a far greater degree than Russia.
The World Bank now projects Russia GDP to decline by 8.9% this year, whilst EU GDP is forecast to grow, albeit at a slower rate than before the war started.
So your description of the economic consequences for the EU as "catastrophic" is wide of the mark. That description should be applied instead to economic consequences for Russia.
I said that Donbas would fall to Russia by the end of June. It's unlikely to happen by then. Nevertheless Donbas falling sooner rather than later is looking inevitable. So my prediction of the timing was wrong. My prediction of the eventual outcome was not, in my opinion (and frankly, in everyone's opinion whose name is not Boris or Liz). So I admit to being wrong in my prediction about the end of June. Now then, would you like me to show you some posts from earlier in this thread about how the Russian army would collapse in weeks? Or that Putin's dying of everything from cancer to ebola? You've scored a great victory with my being off about the timing of Donbas capitulating, but while you're laughing about it, more Ukrainians are going to senselessly die because certain actors (!) have convinced you that they stand a chance of winning, so be prepared to go poorer while the usual suspects get vastly wealthier. I don't know if you're from an EU country mate but if you are I'm gonna let you in on a little secret: the US and the UK are absolutely laughing their arses off at what you're doing to yourselves right now.And yet still no admission your prediction was wrong
So, DT12 posts basically say that Ukrainians are puppets of the Americans and the Russians invaded Ukraine in order to liberate the Ukrainians from the Americans? Or else kill those who do not want to be liberated. Because if they don't want to be liberated by Russians, then obviously they are brainwashed by Americans to think they are not Russians and they should die.
In other words, basically Ukraine is currently populated by two kinds of people: Russians living in Ukraine who want Russia to win, and brainwashed nazis who the puppets of Americans like the Nazi-Jew Zelenskyy.
Did I get this correctly?
In other words, basically Ukraine is currently populated by two kinds of people: Russians living in Ukraine who want Russia to win, and brainwashed nazis who the puppets of Americans like the Nazi-Jew Zelenskyy.
Did I get this correctly?
Ukrainians are dying senselessly instead of just giving up. Am I doing this right?
Mental gymnastics some will try just to justify Russian invasion is astonishing.
Mental gymnastics some will try just to justify Russian invasion is astonishing.
'Zelensky'
DT12 basically says there are no Ukrainians. There are:
1. Russians in the Russian state of Ukraine. Who are saved by the Russian army.
2. Nazis/puppets/brainwashed in the Russian state of Ukraine. Who die senseless deaths instead of accepting they are basically Russians, too.
Yep, that is basically it. That and a boast about how the fully mobilized Ukrainian army is getting decimated by Russia's "peacetime army". You don't want to see what they're like when they really mean it!!!
You know, if hypothetically the US committed some 8 divisions to invading Mexico, and in defending by fully mobilizing Mexico caused some 30k+ US casualties and ground things down to slow progress, but an American could still claim "that's just our peacetime army, bro!".
So, if I say our sun is going to die by the end of June, and actually it doesn't but it will SOMEDAY, technically, I'm still right?
Yup.
Oh and Putin said he wont invade any other country. I love how he mentioned Russian war machine. I think it gets him excited writing like that.
And the grand culmination of this line of thinking is:
Why is Europe destroying its own economy?
Europe should just accept that there are no Ukrainians, there are only Russians and Nazis out there.
Europe should also join Russia in killing the Nazis, ie the Nazis who are American puppets and have infiltrated Ukraine. Because otherwise Europe are also American Puppets, ie they are also Nazis.
Did I summarized it correctly?
Why is Europe destroying its own economy?
Europe should just accept that there are no Ukrainians, there are only Russians and Nazis out there.
Europe should also join Russia in killing the Nazis, ie the Nazis who are American puppets and have infiltrated Ukraine. Because otherwise Europe are also American Puppets, ie they are also Nazis.
Did I summarized it correctly?
I'm not in agreement with @DT12 here but I think these silly posts is why folks are hesitant to voice an opinion on this thread. Some time ago I talked about a resolution and the cost of war and look at where that ended. I think its clear his general prediction of Donbas falling to Russia by the end of June was more or less correct. Maybe it's mid July but the prediction wasn't that far off
I'm sorry but some of his takes are horrible, don't have any other word for it. Russian propaganda at its finest. From his posts you'd think Ukraine attacked Russia, not the other way around. His posts are as much silly as mine if not sillier.
I mean, Ukrainians are dying senseslly, a Russian peacetime army, Russian war machine is decimating Ukrainians. Bloody hell. Its as if he's rooting for them, legitimate opinion but I'll call it for what it is.
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The bolded is literally all that matters and I'm proud of you for that. Respectfully, the rest is you having a dialogue with your ego.
It is their peacetime army, though? There's been endless talk about this on here, how Putin can't mobilize and how soldiers can legally refuse to go fight because this isn't officially a war. If it was a war (it is, of course, but not officially in Russia. It's a "special operation") then they would have way more soldiers available.
so you found no problem at all with dt12's post and this was what needed to be addressed.It's more the matter of him pointing out how their peacetime army decimating Ukrainian army at full strength. Not the fact its a peacetime army per se.
how has Putin being fecking with western democracy? it's a minor tangent but I don't know what that means. the two examples usually given are the 2016 US election and Brexit. neither of those examples are legitimate or "true". if you mean undermining in other ways then that might be true.
No, I did, but thanks for watching out for me. Other people are addressing it, no need for me to repeat what other people are saying.
I see, I read it more as separate points, my bad.
Surely this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Security_Committee_Russia_report
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_British_politics
https://isc.independent.gov.uk/wp-c...6010-001_Russia-Report-v02-Web_Accessible.pdf
The UK Government prohibited the ISC from looking at Russian interference with the 2016 referendum.