Thatcher and May were both Tory?
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Thatcher and May were both Tory?
Right, I misread it as Truss (or Mordaunt) getting in would make them the first female PM. More coffee required...
Too much coffee never a bad thing
Go with an Ecuadorean dark number. Black of course.
Ive always found it weird how for a right wing party they have a fair amount of ethnic minority ministers, just shows that it really isn’t about race more about money and how much they can all get away with procuring from the UK coffers. One of those ethnic ministers tried to siphon off funds to a foreign government….and got promoted for her troubles in the olden days it was known as treason under this Tory party it was a misdemeanour!
It's between this and Irish.
Let's not also forget that he is a criminal, so going from one criminal to another would be bonkers.
I’ve said for months Boris was better than anyone they will replace him with and looking at the gaggle of neo-liberal cnuts who are putting themselves forward I stand by it. Inflation at its highest in my lifetime continuing to spiral causing the biggest cost of living crisis in memory with wages stagnant and the only answer these twats have is the same old “low tax, small government” greatest hits bullshit they always preach.
This is magnificent…
Conservatives and anyone on a modest income in a nutshell
Looking like the Tory hopefuls are going to compete by promising bigger tax cuts than each other. Another Tory boom to buy votes, while people don't even realise most of the cash is being trousered by the wealthiest and not them. Followed by bonkers inflation and an inevitable super bust. Great.
There's an interesting problem for the Tories if this research from a couple of years ago (it's about the 2019 intake) is accurate. The MPs are to the right of their membership and far too the right of their voters on broad economic policy.
Obviously that won't stop them pushing all the usual "tax cuts" "public waste" "incentives" "creating wealth so we can afford the NHS" etc buttons, but it does make it more difficult to find the right salesmen.
Incidentally, the second image that looks at social issues shows that the MPs are way to the left of their voters. Hence all the culture wars stuff we'll be hearing - it's part of the sales pitch that they can give away for free.
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There's an interesting problem for the Tories of this research from a couple of years ago (it's about the 2019 intake) is accurate. The MPs are to the right of their membership and far too the right of their voters on broad economic policy.
Obviously that won't stop them pushing all the usual "tax cuts" "public waste" "incentives" "creating wealth so we can afford the NHS" etc buttons, but it does make it more difficult to find the right salesmen.
Incidentally, the second image that looks at social issues shows that the MPs are way too the left of their voters. Hence all the culture wars stuff we'll be hearing.
Possibly, but not sure how well they can differentiate between what people say, and even think, they believe in, and how they actually vote in reality with crosses in boxes.
In these survey things I come out unusually as authoritarian left. Like Stalin maybe. I ignore them
Yeah when it comes to policy it’s almost useless to go on polling. People will say they want left wing policy or to fund social programs(Because who doesn’t want that)but they vote for the opposite.
For example there was some recent polling showing the public want workers to have more power in the economy but also the public think unions are too strong. It’s doesn’t make any sense and is contradictory.
The Tory base will do what it’s done for decades now which is make sure house prices stay high and pensions benefits continue.
Yeah, this is the guy who tries to present himself as a chilled, regular guy but can't help showing off his wealth by wearing clothes that cost a regular guy's weekly wage.
Hopefully you mean how pension and pensions benefits are taxed rather than how they continue, considering we have the just about the lowest state pensions in the developed world. The Liberals and then Labour have always stood for reducing pensioner poverty and rightly so.
Houses, yeah, but I'm not sure how the Tories manage to promise to keep houses prices high. By not building any maybe, but they don't actually advertise that as a policy. Allowing mortgage payments to be tax-deductable on buy-to-lets might not have helped of course, even if it's only on the interest now.
Nah, they just parrot tax cuts tax cuts, and now they've sold the assets they'll borrow for them if necessary, let the future pay. (That's you by the way
)That’s what Stalin would do.
You're on the list for a kick-off.
A guy who ran the country as best he could has lost his job.
Think of all his kids, both legitimate and illegitimate how will they survive now he has no income?
Who will pay for those house/flat refurbishments now?
What about the holidays to Rwanda?
This thread should be closed.
Have a heart Caftards.
Think of all his kids, both legitimate and illegitimate how will they survive now he has no income?
Who will pay for those house/flat refurbishments now?
What about the holidays to Rwanda?
This thread should be closed.
Have a heart Caftards.
The advertisement is 1)Not building any council housing and 2)calling anyone whats wants it a Stalinist.
Its seems tory voters love the crumbs.
This is like talking to one of the aliens from Arrival. Literally have no idea what your on about.Nah, they just parrot tax cuts tax cuts, and now they've sold the assets they'll borrow for them if necessary, let the future pay. (That's you by the way
That aside, he is a typical modern politician who is adept at saying what he thinks people want to hear.
His video was full of all the buzz words, platitudes and lots of words that won't offend and mean all things to all men.
To be honest, I hate this slick, polished presentation.
In reality, there is no original thinking. No passion.
Just shiny polished bullshit.
According to Rory Stewart, he stayed on in the Foreign Office building for 3 weeks after he got sacked, because he didn't want to pay rent on a flat.
Yep, you’re absolutely correct. Whether we like it or not this is the kind of thing that led to the likes of Trump, Farage and even Johnson’s popularity too, they’re “real” which people want because these kinds of politician that Sunak is now trying to portray don’t come across like actual humans.
I have questioned Louise and she says I should have made it clearer, that I mean the Tories will have to pay for their tax cuts by increasing government borrowing, which will only cost your generation more in the long run. Enjoy.
I refuse to believe that.
Blo Jo is a bastion of truth and decency!
He’s like the Riola (RIP) of politics
Ah my bad I get it now. Honestly the sooner every falls down the better(Or alternative the CCPP will invade and save us!) .
At best he has no idea about the working class or anyone who was brought up without the benefit of wealth providing a massive helping hand to whatever it is they strived to do and at worst he actively despises anyone who is "poor". It's obvious in everything he says and does, plus past interviews (e.g. the one above) and policy decisions.
He's a smarmy bellend, part of me hope he wins to see him getting called out daily.
Who exactly do you see calling him out daily?
Very good point. Hadn't thought of it that way but you are right.
The Sunak type are just too squeaky clean and too professional in a perverse sort of way. Just like a puppet.
Unfortunately, Starmer is not far behind.
To be fair, he probably needs some time to get that £800 a roll wallpaper off the walls!
Basically everyone who isn't die-hard Tory, as they already are beginning to.
(in relation to the cringe #ready4rishi launch vid)
Etc etc ad infinitum
Sunak is a lightweight politician who physically struggles to come across as a 'man of the people'. While he'll have the usual media organisations sucking him off no doubt, gaffes like not being able to fill up petrol, drinking from a £200 mug and forcing his stupid non-existent rags-to-riches tale whilst being worth hundreds of millions of pounds and married to an even richer non-dom billionaire's daughter should make Labour's pitch even easier in my opinion.
Rishi is a Tory cnut but the idea that he is somehow extra cringe or weird is just a bit odd. He is the Tory version of Starmer(Pretty sure he is the only candidate who currently polls better than Starmer).
Also Cleese just hates the fact a brown guy could be the leader of the Tory party.
Also Cleese just hates the fact a brown guy could be the leader of the Tory party.
Well he won't exactly be getting called out by the righty bubble will he. Not sure whether you're saying you want the BBC to call out Sunak for being an upper class hypocrite?
He'll be getting called out daily by Labour politicians and hopefully they'll do a good enough job for it to stick in all the swing seats.
This idea that being less relatable to the working class will count against a candidate is pretty amusing. That’s such a weird conception of the national identity and the values represented in the political system. British institutions ooze elitism, classism is baked into the nation’s identity over a long history, and leaders are regularly elected that would cringe at being associated with the working class, never mind being any way relatable to them. I know all nations have their myths but the chasm between that perception and the reality is indescribably big…