Not really. I love De Gea. He’s deffo a club legend and probably the third best keeper in our history but why let sentimentality get in the way of reality? The reality is he has massively held up back for a long time now because he’s simply poor at so many elements of keeping. It’s clear in this thread that so many people can’t take Henderson they can’t see the wood for the trees and they are desperate to downplay anything positive he does. Didn’t have a chance on any of the goals today btw.
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A top keeper would’ve saved the first. The other two probably not.
he’s… fine. Neither him nor DDG should be our first choice keeper going into next season because neither are good enough nor suit the style of play EtH wants his goalkeeper to have, that’s why I find this whole debate so pointless. Is Henderson a better GK right now? Maybe. Is he worth the hassle for the sake of one season when he’s not the answer long term anyway? No.
I don’t get that line of thinking though. We own both players, one is the highest paid keeper in the world. One is a keeper on a modest wage who has proven himself just as good and statistics suggest he’s better for our team currently. It’s like saying “well we paid £50million for Wan Bissaka so he has to play, and Dalot is average anyway…” forgetting the fact that Dalot is better than AWB currently, just as Henderson is better than De Gea currently. Surely we should be playing our best option in each position, it’s really not that complicated why people moan.
Go on tell me what he said that was false? I’ll wait?
I doubt EtH had much of a choice in the matter by the way things went down. The club made a balls of things with Henderson. Either they should have sold him while his stock was high after his first loan spell or Ole should’ve made him first choice after the new contract. Neither happened and EtH was left with an unhappy player on a big contract who didn’t want to be here so he let him go on loan Not much more to it. Given what he has done with the likes of AWB, Shaw, Ronaldo and Maguire do you really think he wouldn’t have had the balls to replace DDG with Henderson if he thought he was better and it was an option?
There's a difference between cocky (Pickford) and petty/spiteful.
Haven’t really seen anything that suggests he’s spiteful of petty. As I said he had a right to feel aggrieved at his lack of play time last season.
Yeh this I agree with. Henderson had made up his mind which is fair enough as the club shafted him last season. I’m pretty sure if he had remained he’d be first choice right now though as he’s better than De Gea.
Well lets agree to disagree here then, because I supported him up until the interview. I think it was small time and totally unnecessary, and just gives off me me me vibes. He isn't the first nor will he be the last to have been promised game time that did not deliver. If he had an elite mentality, he woudl have kept his mouth shut and worked hard to prove the doubters wrong. The pundits will notice, or he can leak some stuff to talksport and get noticed. I don't believe he will ever be a top keeper or play for a top club, but happy to be proven wrong.
I'd just implore you to have a very quick Google search, will take you all of the five minutes it's taken you to write the complete nonsense on this thread.
i think the easiest way around all this is to petition the premier league to let us start games with both in goal.
It's not "petty" to feel annoyed that you were given assurances that you had a role to play and then you sat on your arse for a year. How can you be petty about something as serious as what you would see as another wasted year of a career? It implies that it's not such a serious situation, but I think it is for a keeper because it's very different to outfield roles in that you need direction from the club as the game time becomes so limited. I think very few posters seem to be capable of putting themselves in his position. What if it was these posters careers?
The whole thing is a bit unfortunate in that there was a managerial change, we don't know what exactly was said to him, and all that stuff which is important context. But bloody hell what he said wasn't that bad and the way grudges are held and the standards of robotic behaviour expected of footballers is strange. Anyone that raises their head above the parapet slightly is cut down. No wonder they're a boring media trained bunch.
That what the club did to him was criminal. The club did nothing wrong with him. Based on him being ill and then De Gea being in top form. This season he chickened out of competing with De Gea and ran off with his tail between his legs. That's all there is to it.
Nonsense to say he's proven himself better than De Gea at United and elsewhere. All he's proven in his career so far is that he's a suitable keeper for a relegation/championship club.
Doesn't pass any eye test, everyone watching him can see his tiny stature, dodgy positioning, woeful handling and erratic kicking.
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So nothing then. The burden of proof is with you fella
Again that myths. "Looked more solid", "miles better" etc...
It is laughable that anyone thinks that Henderson is even close to De Gea. And not because De Gea is great gk; it is because Henderson is awful gk. Main job for gk is still, despite everything, to save shots. Henderson is shot dodger. If it goes in the net, he will dodge the ball.
Well, he is still above his level (playing in PL). Next year (hopefully) he will be where he deserves, in championship. Or our 3rd gk. Whatever he likes more.
And we would still have only one gk on the goal
As opposed to every single stat site you'd care to look at?
Or is that beyond you?
It's quite clear you are a fan of Henderson, whilst not liking De Gea.
That's ok, but you don't need to make stuff up to make yourself feel better.
It actually is possible that they both are good goalkeepers,
You don't need to hate one to love another.
I like Hendo but I'm not sure he's top draw. I love De Gea and he's a massive club legend that has made some of the best saves I've ever seen. Calling it as I see it now though, I think De Gea has regressed to one of the weakest keepers in the division while Henderson remains an unspectacular decent choice. Even just being decent is miles better than this current De Gea though who will cost us so many more points over the course of the season. At least we have Dubravka who can come in after the next howler.
As opposed to every single stat site you'd care to look at?
Or is that beyond you?
It's quite clear you are a fan of Henderson, whilst not liking De Gea.
That's ok, but you don't need to make stuff up to make yourself feel better.
It actually is possible that they both are good goalkeepers,
You don't need to hate one to love another.
Couldn't get over that.
Nearer the corner flag than the centre of his goal
Awful! The second angle below makes it look even worse.
And look how low he crouches. Tiny, tiny, tiny ...
Henderson is just one of Ole’s many feck ups during his reign. Letting a good back up keeper who is happy being on the bench go in return for a loud mouthed, overpaid one who is way worse and less talented.
Because, unlike Ronaldo, Henderson has delivered feck all for the club.
Finally someone sensible. Henderson haven’t proven anything and there’s nothing to say he is better than De Gea. How people underrate De Gea is criminal, he lacks ball playing qualities, but he is a good shot stopper (better than Henderson) and some seasons ago was the second best in the world behind Neuer
Good character? U clearly don't remember times under SAF, he would have been banished to the U18s for that interview and shipped out at the 1st offer for that. SAF got rid of Becks, Keane and Stam for less and all 3 were far greater players both in contribution and ability.
The fact that you think he's "absolutely correct" shows you're more a fan of the player than the club
Hard to sorry for a man making a million fecking dollars to set on the bench in his early twenties. Keepers play well into their late 30s. Plus with him saying he wanted to leave before the manager got there is not a sign of good character. I hope he does well so the team can get a fee, and he can get tfo.
Henderson did go over the top in his interview, but the reaction from the supporters is over the top.
As for Sealey, he had his limitations, but his attitude got him a start in an FA Cup final replay and made him a folk hero while Leighton crumbled.
I get why he done the interview and why hes left this season, he wanted to play and wasnt convinced/believed he would get it from the new manager and didnt wait for promises he would play only to waste another season. Reality is he was going to be given a fair chance last season but unfortunately got sick, DDG was in amazing form from the beginning. How do you just drop someone playing well in a team that was struggling just to allow him to start. He hasnt proven anything at all in his career, even during some games for United he looked suspect. I dont think hes the required quality for a top team. DDG isnt the long term solution either but hes head and shoulders above Henderson in keeping and class.
As for the source of the leaks we can rest assured he was part of the problem last season, strange that we dont have any this season, manager with a hard line approach that any leaks and you'll be sat on the bench.
As for the source of the leaks we can rest assured he was part of the problem last season, strange that we dont have any this season, manager with a hard line approach that any leaks and you'll be sat on the bench.
Why? I dont get why not liking him is such a terrible, unreasonable reaction. He isn't likable, its easy enough to understand isn't it?
Is it calling him a bit shit? I mean relative to the standards any united supporter is going to have he is. If the thread gets bumped every time he has a decent game your going to get a few posts pointing out he isn't good enough, its not exactly controversial.
Is it the one poster calling him a championship keeper? Who cares, dont be so precious
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I hope he has a career ending injury tbh. See how smug he is after that. Bet he’d happily sit on our bench then the twat
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Dang it, @Ole'sattheWheel . The lad just wanna play.
If people don't like him, that's fine. But it's kind of ridiculous how they try to nitpick his performances in order to finds errors or find him guilty on leaking from the dressing room based on no evidence.
And yes, I do believe people changed their minds over his ability just because of what he said, which is laughable.
I had followed some of the finest keepers in the world from Zenga to Schmeichel, from VDS to Buffon. No one had shown the arrogance shown by Henderson during that interview. Actually Donnarumma is more arrogant, there again, unlike Hendo, the guy has got some real talent.
Awful! The second angle below makes it look even worse.
And look how low he crouches. Tiny, tiny, tiny ...
Gets me everytime
And again what you say is a myth. No proof, whilst There is plenty stats showing we were a better team with Henderson in goal.
Just because you don’t want to see it doesn’t mean it’s not true.
Can you share some? Genuinely curious. From what I remember he was hyped up massively by some fans before playing for us, but then almost immediately gave a goal away. From memory, he was nothing special for us.
De gea can make saves that henderson cant. Its as simple as that. Completely different level keepers. Henderson is lower PL material. It gets the best out of him.
Is this even a debate? Of course Henderson isn't good enough to be United's number 1. Neither is De Gea these days, but that's a different thread.
When Henderson got a chance at United, often in easier games, his handling and positioning was genuinely bad. For every cross he'd come and claim, there was another he'd flap at and miss. Distribution was OK, perhaps slightly better than De Gea but not a big difference. Shot stopping was average at best.
Add to that the obvious leaking and negative briefing, plus the horror of the Salah goal, and frankly he can do one. Let's get £20m for him next summer, let De Gea go, and invest in a genuinely top class modern keeper.
When Henderson got a chance at United, often in easier games, his handling and positioning was genuinely bad. For every cross he'd come and claim, there was another he'd flap at and miss. Distribution was OK, perhaps slightly better than De Gea but not a big difference. Shot stopping was average at best.
Add to that the obvious leaking and negative briefing, plus the horror of the Salah goal, and frankly he can do one. Let's get £20m for him next summer, let De Gea go, and invest in a genuinely top class modern keeper.
So just to be clear, you honestly don't see the difference between people on a message board saying things and a player talking shite about the club that pays his wages? If that's the case, it's clear that there's no hope of having a reasonable discussion here as you clearly can't be objective.