F1 2022 Season

hobbers said:
So when Lewis and Bottas smashed into Red Bull cars in 2021, and caused $3m worth of damage between them, applying current Ferrari and Merc logic we can say they were also robbing RB of at least a second in lap time.

What clever bastards
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This is actually a good point, it seems kind of unfair that a team has to use so much of its budget after a massive crash like those that costs millions doesn't it? And I'm saying this as a fan of neither team, but surely a big crash like that, that was clearly caused by another driver/team, shouldn't then have to come out of the aggreived teams budget?

I'm not saying the other team should pay for it either though, that's a bit much, but it just seems a bit unfair to me.
 
phelans shorts said:
I thought it was a good The Day Today joke personally
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Seems a bit sensitive. Has me on ignore as well. I didn't remember talking to them so I had a look and can't see any good reason. Ironically, I only realised when I tried to give them advice on how to block someone who had their settings on private and they asked about it again after I'd replied a couple of times.
 
F-Red said:
It's about 20% of a development budget for a single season. It's a significant amount considering the up roar from Horner over 10% reduction on just wind tunnel and CFD time.
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1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.

Also, if you are talking about just development, again, it has nothing to do with Hamilton this season since he has Ferrari guys and his teammate between him and Redbull which was what started this discussion initially few posts back.

elmo said:
Not if the bulk of it was spent on engine development. There’s an engine development freeze from 2022 till 2026 and if Red Bull exceeded the budget to do more development last year it would have given them a head start which most teams will be unable to catch up due to the development freeze.

And again, this budget overspend was for last season where they lost to Mercedes and fluked out a championship for Max. We’ll only know how much Red Bull spent for this season next year but it’ll be dodgy again given how most teams had to cut staffs to make the budget while Red Bull was snapping up staffs.
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Are you sure about that?
 
Amar__ said:
1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.

Also, if you are talking about just development, again, it has nothing to do with Hamilton this season since he has Ferrari guys and his teammate between him and Redbull which was what started this discussion initially few posts back.
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Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.
 
F-Red said:
Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.
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Except it wasn't 1,8m. It was less than 400k.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Except it wasn't 1,8m. It was less than 400k.
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You're tripping yourself up on your own quoted numbers. If you're going back to the original, after the calamitous calculations from the RB accounts, figures net of the tax rebate then the penalty is fair in my opinion. If a teams car is 1kg under the weight for a race then it's disqualified. If we're running a cost cap, then we need the same discipline. Not a sliding scale of based on the overspend, and I believe the penalty that was awarded was in line with what was agreed. I have no complaints.

What surprised me more wasn't the value that they went over by, it was the fact it was thirteen separate issues which constituted the breach. Issues which are pretty basic business as usual things like staff pay.
 
Epic stuff really. What a Q2.

Great for Bottas, shame his engine will inevitably explode tomorrow.
 
Gaps are invisible, 5th place just 0,063 seconds behind, wasn't it?
 
Wonder if we'll see some towing between the top three teams, or a straight out fight for all 6.
 
hp88 said:
Why are they all so close today ? RBR turned down the engines ?
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just shows how much they were reliant on that 10% wind tunnel time. as soon as they lost that they were catapulted back into the pack.
 
hp88 said:
Why are they all so close today ? RBR turned down the engines ?
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It seems the thinner air is making the aerodynamics less effective, and cars/drivers with better mechanic grip/ability to drive smoothly are coming out on top.
 
This looks like fun track being so slippery, it could be interesting tomorrow and I reckon we'll see few accidents.
 
Verstappen is incredible. Mercedes again quicker than Ferraris, I reckon the difference during the race will be even bigger.
 
Strategic throwing of pole by Merc? apparently you want to be 3rd here off the grid ;)
 
Hamilton incredibly quick considering his car was broken.

Also Russel was almost in pole if not for that mistake. At least this way he can kick Max out of the race.
 
You just know George is going to take Lewis and Max out in turn 1 and ruin their chances of second in the constructors.
 
F-Red said:
Development budgets are about circa 10m. You were saying that 1.8m isn't that much in the context of an entire budget, in the context of development it's a significant part of the budget.
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This is from skysports:

Following a review in 2020, the cost cap was set at $145m for 2021, $140m for 2022 and $135m for 2023-2025, though the figures were based on a 21-race season and an inflation uplift was applied earlier this season.

The budget cap applies to money spent on car developments and performance, but not to some big-ticket items, such as drivers' salaries, marketing costs, logistics, travel and legal costs
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Also from another site:

What comes under the F1 cost cap?
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Any expenditure related to car – but not engines – performance is relevant for the cost cap. This includes:

  • All parts on the car (from the steering wheel to the wheel nuts)
  • All the elements needed to run the car
  • Most of the team personnel
  • Garage equipment
  • Spares
  • Transport costs
  • Everything in between
The biggest area of focus is car development costs, with teams having a weigh up what is developed, how much is spent on each part which is manufactured and how many of the parts are needed and can be afforded without overspending.
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-cost-cap-what-is-it-how-it-works/10379799/amp/
 
sepulturite said:
So because someone has a different opinion to you, you put them on ignore? You Merc fans are unreal.

I remember when there wasn't this bitterness between fans of different teams of this sport, god I wish those days were back now. Between here and reddit it's just a cesspool, nowhere to just discuss F1 without it turning in to the childish crap that's goes on here :rolleyes:
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Not at all. Just posted at a bad time and took it out on @phelans shorts. Not really Merc fan either. Thats just too easy a sterotype. If i was i wouldnt have praised max's driving this season or be so disappointed in ferrari for not bringing a challenge to max. Just want some integrity back in the sport. It seems to be going down the wrong route.
 
Sonny1972 said:
Say what ???
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red bull were caught in the most serious of sporting breaches since lance armstrong and were punished by the fia a couple of days ago. they lost 10% performance as the fia decided that’s how much their cheating gained them, and now they’re just as fast as everyone else.
 
Not the most exciting of tracks, but I love the stadium feel and loud crowd that Mexico City brings to the table. I hope they manage to keep their spot in the future.
 
dinostar77 said:
Not at all. Just posted at a bad time and took it out on @phelans shorts. Not really Merc fan either. Thats just too easy a sterotype. If i was i wouldnt have praised max's driving this season or be so disappointed in ferrari for not bringing a challenge to max. Just want some integrity back in the sport. It seems to be going down the wrong route.
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Ok we can agree on all that. I'm just sick of the toxicity on here to be honest, from both sets of fans, it's getting old real quick. Anyway apologies for singling you out mate.
 
rimaldo said:
red bull were caught in the most serious of sporting breaches since lance armstrong and were punished by the fia a couple of days ago. they lost 10% performance as the fia decided that’s how much their cheating gained them, and now they’re just as fast as everyone else.
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Is this a piss take?
 
RoyH1 said:
Not the most exciting of tracks, but I love the stadium feel and loud crowd that Mexico City brings to the table. I hope they manage to keep their spot in the future.
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once perez goes it’ll be off the calendar I suspect
 
Amar__ said:
1,8m over 145m isn't 20%.

Also, if you are talking about just development, again, it has nothing to do with Hamilton this season since he has Ferrari guys and his teammate between him and Redbull which was what started this discussion initially few posts back.

Are you sure about that?
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It’s incredible how much you’re arguing that them going over the budget doesn’t matter when you don’t even know basic facts about the issue :lol:

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2...-formula-one-budget-cap-breach-in-2021-season
 
Mexico GP Qualifying Times
Mexico City GP Qualifying Timesheet
DriverTeamTime
1) Max VerstappenRed Bull1:17.775
2) George RussellMercedes+0.304
3) Lewis HamiltonMercedes+0.309
4) Sergio PerezRed Bull+0.353
5) Carlos SainzFerrari+0.576
6) Valtteri BottasAlfa Romeo+0.626
7) Charles LeclercFerrari+0.780
8) Lando NorrisMcLaren+0.946
9) Fernando AlonsoAlpine+1.164
10) Esteban OconAlpine+1.235
Out in Q2
11) Daniel RicciardoMcLaren1:19.325
12) Zhou GuanyuAlfa Romeo1:19.476
13) Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri1:19.589
14) Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri1:19.672
15) Kevin MagnussenHaas1:19.833
Out in Q1
16) Mick SchumacherHaas1:20.419
17) Sebastian VettelAston Martin1:20.419
18) Lance StrollAston Martin1:20.520
19) Alex AlbonWilliams1:20.859
20) Nicholas LatifiWilliams1:21.167
 
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