City and Financial Doping | Charged by PL with numerous FFP breaches

The way they have completely doubled down and almost seem to believe its OK if they're guilty (based on the chants) is galling.

Judas said:
I still love how they boo the CL anthem, and now added the non entity that is the PL anthem to their list. What’s next? Imagine if they turned on Oasis.
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Hey! The Gallagher brothers are the closest thing they have to club legends as far as their new fans are concerned.
 
caid said:
State Ownership should definitely be banned. Talk of Qatar spending 5 billion on a second football club when they wont spend money on water or shelter for the people building their country is abhorrent.
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State ownership won't be banned. Have to live with it. Most enjoyed world cup without any regrets then what moral right we have to question them now. We people are as much hypocrite as those rule fifa uefa and fa too. They proudly displayed most successful fifa world cup. We made them as winners. Nothing we can do.
 
Rajiztar said:
State ownership won't be banned. Have to live with it. Most enjoyed world cup without any regrets then what moral right we have to question them now. We people are as much hypocrite as those rule fifa uefa and fa too. They proudly displayed most successful fifa world cup. We made them as winners. Nothing we can do.
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Speak for yourself
 
Señor Sloppy said:
You're putting far too much faith in the black vs white objectivity of both the Premier League executive and the fields of accounting/law.
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If they were innocent they would absolutely have cooperated. If their books weren't cooked then there wouldn't have been an issue. Of course there wouldn't have been an investigation either in the first place. Do you really think City, with their billions and the means to have the most expensive legal team available working round the clock, were afraid of trumped up charges and being framed?

EDIT: You're also supposed to specify who you support on your profile if it's not United btw, and there's no chance you're a United fan.
 
Rajiztar said:
State ownership won't be banned. Have to live with it. Most enjoyed world cup without any regrets then what moral right we have to question them now. We people are as much hypocrite as those rule fifa uefa and fa too. They proudly displayed most successful fifa world cup. We made them as winners. Nothing we can do.
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Maybe you did.
 
Any chance of it not being a coincidence that PL hands in the charges at this exact point when Qatar and Saudi Arabia are ready to go into a bidding war over English football’s most iconic venture?
 
Grande said:
Any chance of it not being a coincidence that PL hands in the charges at this exact point when Qatar and Saudi Arabia are ready to go into a bidding war over English football’s most iconic venture?
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Well it seems Newcastle have got a pretty big warning as part of the takeover, hence their spending. Then you’ve got United and Liverpool up for sale with obvious investors being from the ME, you’ve only got City flouting the rules completely so they have to hammer them to send a clear message to all PL teams, especially the ones owned/potentially owned by ME investors. It also assures the non ME owned clubs that teams won’t be allowed to cheat their way out of the bottom half at their expense.
 
Withnail said:
If they were innocent they would absolutely have cooperated. If their books weren't cooked then there wouldn't have been an issue. Of course there wouldn't have been an investigation either in the first place. Do you really think City, with their billions and the means to have the most expensive legal team available working round the clock, were afraid of trumped up charges and being framed?
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Why did they (successfully) employ the exact same uncooperative tactics against UEFA then?

Withnail said:
EDIT: You're also supposed to specify who you support on your profile if it's not United btw, and there's no chance you're a United fan.
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I can't support Manchester United because of my ability to form objective judgements, rather than seeing everything solely through the distorted lens of a United fan?
 
Señor Sloppy said:
Why did they (successfully) employ the exact same uncooperative tactics against UEFA then?


I can't support Manchester United because of my ability to form objective judgements, rather than seeing everything solely through the distorted lens of a United fan?
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You're defending the indefensible and are peddling the line that City are the victim of a conspiracy that's why. Are you actually claiming to be a United fan?

City 'successfully' stonewalled UEFA on FFP such that a lot of the charges and were deemed to be time-barred by CAS and the ban was overturned. They were still fined and were not exonerated. Also innocent parties don't refuse to cooperate at huge expense to themselves. It makes absolutely no sense.

With the PL investigation there is no time-barring and the charges go beyond FFP. The PL would not charge them with 115 different charges if it was all nonsense. You can't be that dim.
 
Why is this Wum still here. His sloppy postings make it glaringly obvious he's a Bert.

Only a Bert would describe his team as the most globally attractive in the League.

The rest of this quoted post is the same style of diatribe posted on BlueMoon.



Señor Sloppy said:
I’ll be absolutely shocked if Manchester City get anything much harsher than the proverbial slap on the wrist.

The ultimate question in this matter is – are the Premier League really going to be gunning for the harshest possible sentence on Manchester City?

A sentence where the most star-studded and globally attractive team in its league is irreparably damaged, where iconic moments in the Premier League’s recent history are irreparably tarnished, where the reputation of the Premier League itself could well be irreparably damaged?

One where Manchester City then strike back and unveil every last bit of dirt they have on the internal dealings of the Premier League’s administration and clubs, through every avenue within the media and courts? Where the President of the UAE, possibly also even those of his close regional allies, call up the British Prime Minister to tell him how the actions of our football league are jeopardising bilateral relations during a turbulent geopolitical period?

Or would the Premier League prefer a “soft” win – or even no win at all - which allows them to save face as a robust football regulator whilst avoiding most of the above fallout?
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ExecutionerWasp001 said:
Why is this Wum still here. His sloppy postings make it glaringly obvious he's a Bert.

Only a Bert would describe his team as the most globally attractive in the League.

The rest of this quoted post is the same style of diatribe posted on BlueMoon.
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He also inadvertently highlights why state-funded ownership and the political influence that brings should never have been allowed into football.
 
It's going to be quite funny when United does all those things post-takeover, but all those contracts are going to be legitimate because of the actual status and status/prestige of the club.
 
ExecutionerWasp001 said:
Why is this Wum still here. His sloppy postings make it glaringly obvious he's a Bert.

Only a Bert would describe his team as the most globally attractive in the League.

The rest of this quoted post is the same style of diatribe posted on BlueMoon.
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His post was absolutely pathetic, reads identical to bluemoon, Khaldoon smartest man in the room shite they've been cooking up,
 
I'm sure this has been picked up on so far but I am surprised more is not being made of the dichotomy of the position adopted by City and its fans in the coverage of the charges that:

1. Their stated position is that they complied with the rules and deny the charges, thereby suggesting that their growth and finances are organic/legitimate; and

2. That FFP and similar PL rules were created to prevent a team like City from being able to achieve such growth and therefore are inherently unfair on them and other non-"historic" clubs such that it would be impossible for them to compete whilst complying.

Am I mistaken that you surely you can't adopt both stances as they detract from one another? The former requires City to say they are clean and therefore they (1) can have no complaint about the FFP rules, and (2) must accept that there is nothing inherently unfair with FFP. The latter would seem to be an acceptance that the rules were broken but that City consider they were justified in doing so nonetheless as it was the only way for them to beat what they consider an unfair system.

Could City realistically run both arguments with the committee appointed by the PL or have they already shown the hand (and only hand) they intend to or can play?

I know its quite common to pursue alternative arguments in legal proceedings, but it must go against them when their own arguments are diametrically opposed to one another at a factual level.
 
Rajiztar said:
State ownership won't be banned. Have to live with it. Most enjoyed world cup without any regrets then what moral right we have to question them now. We people are as much hypocrite as those rule fifa uefa and fa too. They proudly displayed most successful fifa world cup. We made them as winners. Nothing we can do.
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I didn't enjoy the last WC much, except the final.
 
Rajiztar said:
State ownership won't be banned. Have to live with it. Most enjoyed world cup without any regrets then what moral right we have to question them now. We people are as much hypocrite as those rule fifa uefa and fa too. They proudly displayed most successful fifa world cup. We made them as winners. Nothing we can do.
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you can enjoy the World Cup and question Qatars regime

just like you can still support United and question it

or I can agree with something someone says but still question other things they say or actions they take

we don’t live in a binary world but your kind of logic is the reason sportswashing is effective
 
Tarrou said:
you can enjoy the World Cup and question Qatars regime

just like you can still support United and question it

or I can agree with something someone says but still question other things they say or actions they take

we don’t live in a binary world but your kind of logic is the reason sportswashing is effective
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I just stated the reality. They showed worldcup success on our face. Despite all the pre world cup solidarity with people who suffered to build the stadiums nobody think about them after it was over.

Football fans are powerless to stop these things. Nobody will blame united fans if wealthy oil owners take over them. It's not their choice that's what I want to say even the most successful team in England not spared to wealthy oil owners despite their fans dont want it.
 
ExecutionerWasp001 said:
Why is this Wum still here. His sloppy postings make it glaringly obvious he's a Bert.

Only a Bert would describe his team as the most globally attractive in the League.

The rest of this quoted post is the same style of diatribe posted on BlueMoon.
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Good spot - definitely a City supporter pretending to be a United one.
 
Rajiztar said:
I just stated the reality. They showed worldcup success on our face. Despite all the pre world cup solidarity with people who suffered to build the stadiums nobody think about them after it was over.

Football fans are powerless to stop these things. Nobody will blame united fans if wealthy oil owners take over them. It's not their choice that's what I want to say even the most successful team in England not spared to wealthy oil owners despite their fans dont want it.
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right but why can’t people criticise them if they enjoyed the World Cup?
 
Crimson King said:
He also inadvertently highlights why state-funded ownership and the political influence that brings should never have been allowed into football.
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That would have denied the chances of half of europe to compete for a lot of the last century. feckin capitalist chauvinism :D
 
It wont happen, but tonight is kind of proof why if found guilty, expulsion is the only thing that makes sense. Any current success is the result of the cheating. You cant just pretend its all even by docking them a few points and letting them ignore the title for a year.
 
This is pretty much a fraud/dishonesty case as opposed to an FFP one. A lot of the lesser charges are predicated on the fraud charges. The PL are going hell for leather; it'll be serious punishment if guilty.

- Have the PL bitten off more than they can chew? Perhaps. Their processes are not designed for anything like this.
- Will City risk an appeal to the high court, knowing it would force so much extra disclosure? Perhaps, depends on the punishment.
- Was this related to the white paper/regulation? Extremely unlikely as it's so serious.
- Why are City so bellicose in response? You'd imagine they are frantically trying to negotiate a huge fine and points deduction in the background, so the outward chest beating doesn't make much sense. It could be that they genuinely believe the PL has nothing more than the der spiegel documents and they can ride it out.
- Is it the PL that want this to end up in court? Unlikely but possible. Whatever happens, we are gonna see that their procedures are inadequate hence this could be embarrassing to them, but it could provide a genuine opportunity both for reform, and to get extra evidence.
 
This has really settled down now, a few more months and nobody will remember it and by then a 1 year transfer ban will seem like a harsh/fair penalty. What a joke.
 
Donut said:
This has really settled down now, a few more months and nobody will remember it and by then a 1 year transfer ban will seem like a harsh/fair penalty. What a joke.
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Get In Scholesy said:
Any update with this, or has it all gone quiet already?
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What exactly are you expecting to happen on a daily basis around this?

It’s a complex case which is going to take years.
 
Pexbo said:
What exactly are you expecting to happen on a daily basis around this?

It’s a complex case which is going to take years.
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Really and truly? For City to be obliterated into obscurity as soon as possible.
But unfortunately we don’t live in a realm of such outcomes do we?

I’m surprised after the initial breaking of the news it has gone all quiet. It seems as if other minuscule matters are more of a talking point than perhaps the biggest farce the league has ever seen, which is quite surprising.
 
Pexbo said:
What exactly are you expecting to happen on a daily basis around this?

It’s a complex case which is going to take years.
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I think the reality of the news cycle is that this will take a back burner in the media and fall out of the public consciousness. Guess the concern is that could lead to a lesser punishment?
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I think the reality of the news cycle is that this will take a back burner in the media and fall out of the public consciousness. Guess the concern is that could lead to a lesser punishment?
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It's mid season with games coming thick and fast, they'll always dominate the news.

Come summer when journalists are struggling for things to write about this will be brought up again.

There will be questions asked about every signing City make, and rightfully so.
 
P-Nut said:
It's mid season with games coming thick and fast, they'll always dominate the news.

Come summer when journalists are struggling for things to write about this will be brought up again.

There will be questions asked about every signing City make, and rightfully so.
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Exactly. Their transfer dealings will be under the microscope too.
 
What’s the latest on this? Feels like as with football scandals this one is disappearing into obscurity in the public’s eye whereas you’d think this is big enough for there to be a constant noise demanding action l.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
What’s the latest on this? Feels like as with football scandals this one is disappearing into obscurity in the public’s eye whereas you’d think this is big enough for there to be a constant noise demanding action l.
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You know nothing will happen, same as last time it happened with PSG and whoever that was.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
What’s the latest on this? Feels like as with football scandals this one is disappearing into obscurity in the public’s eye whereas you’d think this is big enough for there to be a constant noise demanding action l.
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This type of case won’t be settled overnight. They’ll be numerous appeals by both sides once the punishments have been decided. This could take years to end.
 
City will throw enough money at it and lawyer up to an extent that every single detail will be contested at great length. It's not inconceivable this could rumble on for years.
 
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