Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

TMDaines said:
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Feck Putin.

So much death and waste just because he wanted to play Emperor.

And feck the Russians who supported Putin for all these years, they are responsible for this. After the war is finished and Putin is gone, all the Russians will be telling us that they never supported Putin, unfortunately this is not true.
 
VorZakone said:
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It had been obvious since the end of November. The UKR intelligence agencies stated as much. Many people predicted that criminals would be ineffective. Human waves tactic continues to function to some extent.

The UA commander also stated that the RA still has a lot more ammunition and outshoots them, despite the fact that we expected the RA to run out of ammunition months ago. I just have a bad feeling that UA won't not be able to gain some territories this spring. Hopefully, I am wrong.
 
Ragnar123 said:
The Leopards and Challengers will have their fun soon.
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This feels more important than the jets. If the Uke tanks have a better range and accuracy than the old Soviet models (we don’t know how they’ve been retrofitted so it’s not a guarantee) then they can cause carnage with the right tactics.
 
NicolaSacco said:
This feels more important than the jets. If the Uke tanks have a better range and accuracy than the old Soviet models (we don’t know how they’ve been retrofitted so it’s not a guarantee) then they can cause carnage with the right tactics.
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Would be quite funny if 60 year old tank wracks stuck in the dirt during another mud season would slow down Russian advances like in Kyev last year. Anybody remembers the infamous 50 km convoy?

It reads as if those tanks are really vulnerable to explosives so the tactics with partizan attacks on a few vehicles in such a train could become a thing again?
 
Zehner said:
Would be quite funny if 60 year old tank wracks stuck in the dirt during another mud season would slow down Russian advances like in Kyev last year. Anybody remembers the infamous 50 km convoy?

It reads as if those tanks are really vulnerable to explosives so the tactics with partizan attacks on a few vehicles in such a train could become a thing again?
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Yeah exactly, and that convoy was slowed down by breakdowns and fuel needs. Both of which would be worse I’d think, with 60 year old tanks. Although I can’t see the Russians trying the same full-frontal attack again; they were pulverised this time last year.
 
Zehner said:
Would be quite funny if 60 year old tank wracks stuck in the dirt during another mud season would slow down Russian advances like in Kyev last year. Anybody remembers the infamous 50 km convoy?

It reads as if those tanks are really vulnerable to explosives so the tactics with partizan attacks on a few vehicles in such a train could become a thing again?
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Unlikely, as the Russian troops are just too widespread now. That kind of tactics works if the enemy does really push forward in a narrow line, but today we have real front lines, where this just can't happen any more.
 
stefan92 said:
Unlikely, as the Russian troops are just too widespread now. That kind of tactics works if the enemy does really push forward in a narrow line, but today we have real front lines, where this just can't happen any more.
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But I read mud season means that only a few streets will work? Surely that means those streets will be more frequented, especially with replinishment and all that needing to take place?
 
Zehner said:
But I read mud season means that only a few streets will work? Surely that means those streets will be more frequented, especially with replinishment and all that needing to take place?
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Yes, but last year the Russians made a push towards Kiyv through territory they didn't control.

Now they control those areas next to the roads they have to use, so partizan attacks are more difficult to do.
 
NicolaSacco said:
Yeah exactly, and that convoy was slowed down by breakdowns and fuel needs. Both of which would be worse I’d think, with 60 year old tanks. Although I can’t see the Russians trying the same full-frontal attack again; they were pulverised this time last year.
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Apparently they have been doing something similar around Vuhledar where they've been driving in ~15 tanks at a time and getting absolutely decimated because they've stuck to the roads as the fields are full of mines. They lost around 130 tanks in a short while. I read that last week or so, so it might be way worse for them now.
 
Maagge said:
Apparently they have been doing something similar around Vuhledar where they've been driving in ~15 tanks at a time and getting absolutely decimated because they've stuck to the roads as the fields are full of mines. They lost around 130 tanks in a short while. I read that last week or so, so it might be way worse for them now.
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It’s unbelievable how much they fcuk things up and don’t seem to learn. It seems an intrinsic problem with the Russian military. In-built rules and dogma getting in the way of people with actual knowledge and experience on the ground.
 
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NicolaSacco said:
It’s unbelievable how much they fcuk things up and don’t seem to learn. It seems an interim six problem with the Russian military. In built rules and dogma getting in the way of people with actual knowledge and experience on the ground.
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I think it is extremely top down and people aren't encouraged to make their own thoughts. Add to that they think pretty short term oriented to be able to present some achievements and the whole structure seems to be highly detrimental to the war effort. They are always just thinking about the next objective and not how they continue from there on. And the punishment of a lack of success fits in perfectly with that. People are concerned with their own safety so they just report what their superiors want to here meaning that the upwards flow of information is highly flawed. On that basis, the higher ups again make decisions they enforce on their subordinates ruthlessly. If you speak up, you're a traitor.

When you see that from a macro perspective, it is just very difficult to imagine how they could go out of this conflict as a victor. They may very well take Bachmut and score other points victories once in a while but at what cost? Can they really keep up that kind of attrition forever, especially with a heavily weakened economy that is going to struggle even more in the future to provide replenishments? A bit like driving at full speed when your tank is already empty and you don't know where the next gas station is, just to impress the girl sitting next to you.
 
Zehner said:
Would be quite funny if 60 year old tank wracks stuck in the dirt during another mud season would slow down Russian advances like in Kyev last year. Anybody remembers the infamous 50 km convoy?

It reads as if those tanks are really vulnerable to explosives so the tactics with partizan attacks on a few vehicles in such a train could become a thing again?
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I remember when the news of that initially broke, I felt so depressed because it felt like something that would completely overwhelm whatever Ukraine were able to put up. Pleasant surprise that it largely amounted to nothing.
 
NicolaSacco said:
It’s unbelievable how much they fcuk things up and don’t seem to learn. It seems an interim six problem with the Russian military. In built rules and dogma getting in the way of people with actual knowledge and experience on the ground.
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It probably doesn't help that they've lost a whole lot of people who actually have experience either.
 
NicolaSacco said:
It’s unbelievable how much they fcuk things up and don’t seem to learn. It seems an interim six problem with the Russian military. In built rules and dogma getting in the way of people with actual knowledge and experience on the ground.
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Russia doesn't have an NCO level in their military hierarchy, thus the flow of orders is top down with no ability to change anything at the tactical level. That's a major reason why so many Russian generals have been killed as they needed to be close to the front lines to be able to effectuate any order changes in as close to real time as possible.
 
Zehner said:
I think it is extremely top down and people aren't encouraged to make their own thoughts. Add to that they think pretty short term oriented to be able to present some achievements and the whole structure seems to be highly detrimental to the war effort. They are always just thinking about the next objective and not how they continue from there on. And the punishment of a lack of success fits in perfectly with that. People are concerned with their own safety so they just report what their superiors want to here meaning that the upwards flow of information is highly flawed. On that basis, the higher ups again make decisions they enforce on their subordinates ruthlessly. If you speak up, you're a traitor.

When you see that from a macro perspective, it is just very difficult to imagine how they could go out of this conflict as a victor. They may very well take Bachmut and score other points victories once in a while but at what cost? Can they really keep up that kind of attrition forever, especially with a heavily weakened economy that is going to struggle even more in the future to provide replenishments? A bit like driving at full speed when your tank is already empty and you don't know where the next gas station is, just to impress the girl sitting next to you.
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No NCO level-equivalent in their military forces means everything is always & only top down.
 
calodo2003 said:
Russia doesn't have an NCO level in their military hierarchy, thus the flow of orders is top down with no ability to change anything at the tactical level. That's a major reason why so many Russian generals have been killed as they needed to be close to the front lines to be able to effectuate any order changes in as close to real time as possible.
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I’m unsure whether that was to do with insecure communication/signals, or because of the reason you’ve given. Possibly both. Either way, for the supposed second most powerful army on earth it’s an abysmal situation to find themselves in.
 
NicolaSacco said:
I’m unsure whether that was to do with insecure communication/signals, or because of the reason you’ve given. Possibly both. Either way, for the supposed second most powerful army on earth it’s an abysmal situation to find themselves in.
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Definitely both.
 
A man is on a street corner in Moscow yelling “The president is an idiot “

Police surround him and handcuff him. They say, “It is illegal to insult President Putin.”

He says, “You don’t understand I mean the Ukrainian president, Zelensky, he is the one I was insulting. “

The police captain says, “You can’t fool us, everyone knows who the idiot is.”
 
Frosty said:
A man is on a street corner in Moscow yelling “The president is an idiot “

Police surround him and handcuff him. They say, “It is illegal to insult President Putin.”

He says, “You don’t understand I mean the Ukrainian president, Zelensky, he is the one I was insulting. “

The police captain says, “You can’t fool us, everyone knows who the idiot is.”
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:lol: I love Russian jokes
 
Frosty said:
A man is on a street corner in Moscow yelling “The president is an idiot “

Police surround him and handcuff him. They say, “It is illegal to insult President Putin.”

He says, “You don’t understand I mean the Ukrainian president, Zelensky, he is the one I was insulting. “

The police captain says, “You can’t fool us, everyone knows who the idiot is.”
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Very good! Here is another:



A Russian wakes from a 13 month coma, and being Russian, immediately goes to get a shot of vodka at the local pub. While there he gets into a discussion with another Russian and asks him about the latest news. The other Russian tells him "We are at war with NATO. But we are winning on all fronts."

"How many casualties have we taken?" the first guy asks.

"110,000 by the latest count" The second guy answers.

"And NATO?"

"Oh, NATO hasn't arrived yet"
 
JuriM said:
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This is another reason why Russia should still be labelled as pariah for as long as war criminals are not put on a platter for the ICC at The Hague. Nothing will ever be satisfactory until Putin, Lavrov, Peskov, Gerasimov, Prizoghin, and many more get arrested and deported to the Netherlands.

For the record, then Serbia-and-Montenegro were given the same conditions about ditching Milosevic and a number of other war criminals prior to any return to some kind of normality after the Kosovo War.
 
calodo2003 said:
At least it looked like the POW didn’t suffer. What an absolutely abhorrent video that is though.
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RedDevilQuebecois said:
This is another reason why Russia should still be labelled as pariah for as long as war criminals are not put on a platter for the ICC at The Hague. Nothing will ever be satisfactory until Putin, Lavrov, Peskov, Gerasimov, Prizoghin, and many more get arrested and deported to the Netherlands.
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Now imagine how many such scenes happen there daily without anyone holding a camera or releasing the footage. I can't wait for The Hague to start working on all the atrocities russians do and did in Ukraine. I don't believe they will ever get arrested, because nobody will actually invade russia. But the goal should be, that those people can never set a foot outside of russia again for fear of being arrested and extradited immediately. Let those fecks enjoy the rest of their lives as wanted war criminals, who can only travel to north korea and some corrupt african countries. The days in italian mansions on the beach are gone forever.

But they also did Ukraine a favor releasing this video. Now they have a new martyr they look up to and take strength from. Such videos show, why Russia already lost this war. Ukranians will rather die standing on their own feet, than live on their knees with Kreml as their master.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Ukranians will rather die standing on their own feet, than live on their knees with Kreml as their master.
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“Prefiero morir de pie, a vivir arrodillado” Great phrase, and entirely correctly applied here.
 
Ragnar123 said:
Now imagine how many such scenes happen there daily without anyone holding a camera or releasing the footage. I can't wait for The Hague to start working on all the atrocities russians do and did in Ukraine. I don't believe they will ever get arrested, because nobody will actually invade russia. But the goal should be, that those people can never set a foot outside of russia again for fear of being arrested and extradited immediately. Let those fecks enjoy the rest of their lives as wanted war criminals, who can only travel to north korea and some corrupt african countries. The days in italian mansions on the beach are gone forever.

But they also did Ukraine a favor releasing this video. Now they have a new martyr they look up to and take strength from. Such videos show, why Russia already lost this war. Ukranians will rather die standing on their own feet, than live on their knees with Kreml as their master.
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I’m pretty sure that the legal work of documenting the evidence for the (unlikely) future process is already happening.
 


In other words: "Drop your support for Taiwan or we'll help Putin."
China is in a difficult position. On the one hand, they need Russia as a counterweight to Nato. It's in their interest that Russia doesn't lose this war. On the other hand, they need trade relations with the west if they don't want to lose their wealth and become a third world country. And the west showed right now, that it can make difficult decisions. Putin also thought europe is far to dependend on his energy to support Ukraine seriously and oh boy, was he wrong.
In my opinion, China will test their limits in the near future and watch how the west reacts. We need to stand firm and make them clear, we don't fear losing relations to them. Every production they have can be outsourced to other countries. This will take time and cost a lot of money of course, but it's possible. China needs to understand, that they risk their entire economy and world status if they openly support Russia.
 
US Air Force General confirmes that extended range JDAMs are now operational in Ukraine.

"Recently, we've just gotten some precision munitions [to Ukraine] that had some extended range and go a little bit further than the gravity drop bomb and has precision [guidance]," Hecker said. "That's a recent capability that we were able to give them probably in the last three weeks."

Gen. Hecker further confirmed to The War Zone that he was specifically speaking about the JDAM-ER.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/winged-jdam-smart-bombs-are-now-operational-in-ukraine
 
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