Changing formation and abandoning his tactics is such an act of desperation, and is so fecking amateur that it would be a worrying sign. The players are failing ten Hag, the finishing has been diabolical. It’s up to the players to get their heads out of their ass, ten Hag has created a system and formation that has worked for the majority of the season.
Should Ten Hag get the sack if he fails to qualify for the CL?
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Changing formation and abandoning his tactics is such an act of desperation, and is so fecking amateur that it would be a worrying sign. The players are failing ten Hag, the finishing has been diabolical. It’s up to the players to get their heads out of their ass, ten Hag has created a system and formation that has worked for the majority of the season.
This. Oh so much this.
Trophies in general. As in EtH could have just given up on all the Cup competitions to save his squad for just the EPL, if Top 4 was the be all and end all, since that is the Glazer KPI.
Played way to much football, the low quality players that came in through injuries and suspensions have proved there not good enough, you can also say the intensity EtH had them playing at for a large part of the season along with the above, has hurt us.
This has to be learning curve, one last push to try and get over the line for top 4 . = very good 1st season.
This has to be learning curve, one last push to try and get over the line for top 4 . = very good 1st season.
I would be defending ten hag if it wasn't for the fact of his detrimental obsession with playing weghorst and even worse shifting players elsewhere on the pitch to accommodate this massive flop, it's indefensible and self destruction if we fail to finish top 4 which is a sackable offence
No. He should get another season regardless. Losing out on top 4 would be a big failure given our position a few weeks ago but this squad is still full of players that have stunk up the place in the last few years and have shown repeatedly that they crumble in high pressure situations. There have been enough encouraging signs when taking into account the season as a whole that he has what it takes to address that and take us forward. The squad's not fit for purpose but we have taken some positive steps in that regard. Will be interesting to see how he handles the De Gea situation because that really might put him under intense scrutiny going into next season if he doesn't get it right. He generally has got more right than wrong. I'm still positive even with the alarming results of the last two months.
But he's appeared plenty, particularly wrecking any modicum of attacking momentum we have when trying to bounce back.
The only situation where I'd really question his suitability is if he signs Wout
Wout is pants but there are no better strikers on the bench when he starts. It's not like he's leaving out pace or striking accuracy to accommodate him most of the time.
If we have no money and he's free no manager would or should, say no.
Pellistri has a way to go, but is still a much better player than Wout. As long as we have Rashford or even sleepy Martial on the pitch to occupy the CF position, there's no reason Wout should play. Much less as a number 10
Rashford can play as No.9 (as he did for a large part of the season), Bruno behind him, and then pick two out of Sancho, Antony, Garnacho and Pellestri for the wings. Or play Sabitzer as 10, Bruno as 8 and 2 out of the 4 wingers in the wing. Or play Bruno as false 9. Or dunno, play whoever is fit as long as he isn’t Weghorst who is easily our worst ever player.
Martial and Wout are rarely on the pitch together. And Pellistri is a very light framed orthodox right winger. Good player but Wout is not keeping him out of the team.
Rashford in my opinion is better on the left. Wout enables him to start out there and rotate, as its what the boss likes to do with his forwards.
Nobody is arguing that Wout is good but for two months we had no option. That's not on Wout or even the manager.
The clubs management of our strike force over the last two and half years had been criminal.
We very much should say no even if Weghorst offers to pay to play for United.
Even if we sign a top centre forward we are still light, and this time next year we will have equally exhausted high quality strikers.
We won a good few games with him, ideally that would be enough to keep a good forward fresh.
Given any choice I wouldn't sign him, but in January we were backs to the wall.
Fair enough. I do not see what Weghorst offers at all and think that we should do whatever possible (which means changing the formation including playing without a striker) so he does not play. I think Elanga is easily a better fit than him even as a striker, and we have enough wingers to play some formation without a proper 9.
It is even more annoying seeing him play as 10 when we have so many better options there (Bruno, Eriksen, Sabitzer, Sancho, playing with a midfield of 3 and no 10).
I think Elanga looks better, which is not hard because Wout is awful to watch moving, never mind playing football, but I think he's much smarter than Elanga. Elanga is limited and would be swamped and lost anywhere in from the wings.
I largely agree. It's on Murtough, who's supposed to be our DOF.
However, it arguably doesn't reflect particularly well on ETH either: because it's hard to imagine that this wasn't his player, in the sense that he didn't actually recommend him in some shape or form.
(But we shouldn't be going by the manager's recommendations, that's the point here - and Wout is a perfect example of this: I mean, come on, nobody will ever convince me that he was the best available option under the circumstances.)
That's not what I meant if you bothered to read the rest of my replies.FFS
‘We’re a clueless club for clueless people… we’ll have no winning here!’
I've said no, however if he continues to play Wout, and even worse, signs him, I shall lose a lot of faith in him - it's already waivering due to his obsession with him
He's almost digging himself a bit of a hole by making things even more difficult, by hindering us playing him.
He's almost digging himself a bit of a hole by making things even more difficult, by hindering us playing him.
By all accounts Wout is a good lad, works hard and presses like the boss likes.
I'm not sure there were better free transfers available.
I think a lot of it comes down to Martial's lack of fitness. Nobody in their right mind is going to argue for Wout being more than cover, but he had nobidy to cover for.
As I said in the other post he is an awful footballer to watch but we won a lot of games with him in the team.
Obsession? Ffs
I replied to @jm99 after that post explaining what I meant. Of course I want United to be as successful as those teams, I just don't agree with sacking managers after one season, with obvious exceptions i.e. Moyes.
For me EtH is not at the point where we should be thinking of sacking him even if we don't get top 4, because there's been far more good this season than bad. As I said finding a middle ground where your not as trigger happy as some clubs, but also don't keep a manager around longer than you should is the best solution.
Would love to see you giving it large in a pub up in Glasgow MATE.
You carry on Big Man
oh dearie me, I'm supposedly the definition of a keyboard warrior? Good one.And who said anything about giving it large? I meant banter between mates while watching a match ffs. Typical Glaswegian, always straight to fighting
Yeah, but doesn't that sound decidedly underwhelming?
Look, I dunno...but to me this Wout thing is problematic on multiple levels.
In my opinion Wout simply isn't good enough for the part he's actually playing. He isn't a fringe player, a third or fourth choice brought in as pure backup, i.e. someone you can reasonably gamble on. He's actually an important player for us: he's started multiple games for us.
Who was behind the decision to make him an important player for us (again: he absolutely is)? What was the process behind it? Did Murtough just go with him because ETH said he fancied him?
(If so, what does that say about Murtough as a supposed DOF?)
I think we need to ask these questions - it's important, actually.
Even my kids are past that.
Ironic that comment comes from the guy who posts the most juvenile comments on this whole forum.
What is anyone who disagrees with you today?
Imbecile. Moron. Braindead.
I wait with bated breath
I like him but the De Gea contract decision is the rock he'll perish on.
If he's a starter next year, Ten Hag is sacked by January.
If he's a starter next year, Ten Hag is sacked by January.
There's always mouthwash?
I'd say that sacking a manager after 2 months says more about the people in charge that it doesa the manager, you wouldn't sack a player after 2 months for footballing reasons so why a manger?
He has started very important game after being shite in every sub appearance over last 6 games he came on, he actually made even worse what were already bad team performances any time he came on. He didn't deserve one bit to start last game.
Nor many games he started before, because he is visually, and even statistically easily our worst player in the squad.
Managers are cheap compared to players, and pound for pound, way more important. They can also be hired at any time of the year, unlike players.
What are you on about? Weighorst is not keeping Pellistri out of the team, nor is he even starting regularly and he won't be signing permanently either.
You need to look at the real problems we have not ones you are making up in your head
Well you might stop playing the player altogether if they were atrocious after 2 months, because you can play someone else, that analogy doesn't really work with managers
Again, real Madrid got rid of benitez after 6 months, when they were 4 points off the top in la liga and had qualified for the last 16 of the champions league, on here that would decried as rash, stupid, moronic. They then won the next 3 champions leagues
Wout was 6 times second half sub in last 7 games over Pellistri who was next to him on the bench, which means that he is the one literally keeping Pellistri out of the team.
I don’t think we should sack him but failing to get top 4 from the position we were in January is a sackable offence imo.
He should definately stay. We are going through a bad form mainly because due to having 2 games per week for the last 3/4 months, having a short squad and missing our main 2 cbs.
I have to ask what you're on about.
Weghorst did start in our last loss, and in the other games, he's been subbed in, while there are other attacking options on the bench e.g. Pellistri - honestly, it's not that hard to understand.
He comes on in a number 10 position and pushes Bruno to the right, correct? Pray tell, what position does Pellistri play?
To spell it out just in case, if Pellistri is subbed in rather than Weghorst, Bruno keeps his place and we have our most creative player in his best position with an actual right winger on the right.
All the talk about motivation, tactics etc. and you see the difference that real quality up top makes in a team’s fortune in the Madrid - City tie. We created a decent amount of chances for our front 4 players in the last 2 games and squandered all of them. Puts the team under pressure and individual mistakes compound the misery.
Need to buy a top striker and hope Garnacho continues his trajectory for us to improve next year.
Need to buy a top striker and hope Garnacho continues his trajectory for us to improve next year.
Unfortunately I think he will be